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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post

Just remember guys, we almost got Brad Bird's Episode VII, but instead he did Tomorrowland and all this happened. 

Hopefully he’ll step down from Incredibles 2 and helm Fanstastic Four if the Disney/Fox deal goes through.
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Hopefully he’ll step down from Incredibles 2 and helm Fanstastic Four if the Disney/Fox deal goes through.

The Disney Fox Deal went through earlier this week.

​But He's not stepping down from Incredibles 2, 1st trailer is already in theaters...

post #1853 of 7540
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It's an odd decision. They usually come out the same time as the film.

Any particular reason for the delay?

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Maybe George RR Martin is writing it.

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if that were the case, March would be comically optimistic!

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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post
 

Just remember guys, we almost got Brad Bird's Episode VII, but instead he did Tomorrowland and all this happened. 

 

And we're getting The Incredibles 2 because Tomorrowland bombed. Sigh.

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On the plus side Adam Driver was great again. That guy is one of my favourite actors now. The dude is utterly convincing at every moment and magnetic as heck.

Seeing him and Hamill do their thing on Crait was my favourite bit of Disney Wars so far.
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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post

Just remember guys, we almost got Brad Bird's Episode VII, but instead he did Tomorrowland and all this happened. 

Guillermo del Toro also turned down Episode VII to do Crimson Peak. Whoops.
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On the plus side Adam Driver was great again. That guy is one of my favourite actors now. The dude is utterly convincing at every moment and magnetic as heck.

Seeing him and Hamill do their thing on Crait was my favourite bit of Disney Wars so far.


​Ya, same. Whatever else they've done with these things, Kylo has been the breakthrough character for me from the start I don't think it could have possibly worked with any other actor Driver never undersells it or missed a beat. 

​And I really want to see at least a scene or two of him freaking the fuck out getting due to Luke haunting him in IX.

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Originally Posted by Serpico Jones View Post


Guillermo del Toro also turned down Episode VII to do Crimson Peak. Whoops.


I forgot that movie existed.

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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post

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Originally Posted by Serpico Jones View Post

Guillermo del Toro also turned down Episode VII to do Crimson Peak. Whoops.
I forgot that movie existed.
Lucky.
post #1862 of 7540

For a second I thought I saw Kyle Chandler in the movie.

 

Coach Taylor could lead this rebellion - or resistance, or whatever - to victory. 

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Originally Posted by Subotai View Post
 

For a second I thought I saw Kyle Chandler in the movie.

 

Coach Taylor could lead this rebellion - or resistance, or whatever - to victory. 

 

 

 

I liked Crimson Peak!

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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post


​Ya, same. Whatever else they've done with these things, Kylo has been the breakthrough character for me from the start I don't think it could have possibly worked with any other actor Driver never undersells it or missed a beat. 


​And I really want to see at least a scene or two of him freaking the fuck out getting due to Luke haunting him in IX.

On these points we have complete agreement.
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re: Poe's mutiny, it's important to note how the rank and file Resistance troops view him. They were totally on board with him completing the Dreadnought take down, and although they cared about the brothers and sisters in arms they lost, they blamed those deaths on the First Order not Poe. Obviously Leia has to think of the big picture and has a different take on it, but considering that ship had guns powerful enough to blast through shields, it turned out to be the right call.

 

In the moment, the plan to abandon ship in unshielded transports seemed like suicide, especially with an alternative plan in place. His fellow men and women had his back in the mutiny. If Poe's a traitor, so are they, and you'd have to execute everyone but the leadership. When Poe was thwarted and they went ahead with the plan anyway, they ended up losing most of their transports. If you're the average solider, who isn't privy to all the knowledge the audience of the film has (like how the First Order knows of the transport plan), you might come away thinking Poe was right.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/17/17 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post


​Ya, same. Whatever else they've done with these things, Kylo has been the breakthrough character for me from the start I don't think it could have possibly worked with any other actor Driver never undersells it or missed a beat. 


​And I really want to see at least a scene or two of him freaking the fuck out getting due to Luke haunting him in IX.

Driver’s Kylo is everything prequel Anakin should had been, both in script/presence/performance.
I love that Driver sells that it’s not attraction or romance what makes him obsessed with Rey, but rather a need to feel validated and supported in the face of the horror of his actions.
Kylo fully believes in his vision and actions, but cannot handle its effects and consequences, specially on himself.
Driver fully embodies how damaged, scary and pitiful the character is and should be.
My favorite moment is Driver’s look in TFA when Rey grabs the lightsaber; he looks utterly shocked and in total despair over the incredulity of what is happening to him.
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I think IX will be quite glorious if they somehow go through with the Reylo set up they kinda had going there.

I could totally watch a film that's about that.

"A girl, a boy and his dead uncle."
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

re: Poe's mutiny, it's important to note how the rank and file Resistance troops view him. They were totally on board with him completing the Dreadnought take down, and although they cared about the brothers and sisters in arms they lost, they blamed those deaths on the First Order not Poe. Obviously Leia has to think of the big picture and has a different take on it, but considering that ship had guns powerful enough to blast through shields, it turned out to be the right call.

In the moment, the abandon ship in unshielded transports plan seemed like suicide, especially with an alternative plan in place. His fellow men and women had his back in the mutiny. If Poe's a traitor, so are they, and you'd have to execute everyone but the leadership. When Poe was thwarted and they went ahead with the plan anyway, they ended up losing most of their transports. If you're the average solider, who isn't privy to all the knowledge the audience of the film has (like how the First Order knows of the transport plan), you might come away thinking Poe was right.

That whole plot’s flaw is that there is no animosity or previous tension between Poe and Ordo.
Had they shown some conflict between them before the crisis, and tension and infighting between the rank and file over Ordo’s course of action, that sequence would had worked perfectly.
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On these points we have complete agreement.

 



Kylo is one of the most compelling screen villains in the past few decades, and every second of Driver's performance is a joy to behold. No matter how the next film plays out and how these are all remembered years from now, his character alone justifies the existence of the sequel trilogy in my eyes.

I give a lot of credit to JJ for recognizing that they couldn't make a bigger, cooler baddie than Vader and going in the opposite direction.
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That whole plot’s flaw is that there is no animosity or previous tension between Poe and Ordo. Had they shown some conflict between them before the crisis...

 

Actually there is tension between the two. Holdo kicks him out of the bridge and shuts him out of the decision making, leaving him in the dark about their plans. He didn't feel like he could take the Finn and Rose mission to her and be heard out, and he was probably right.

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Where did this guy come from?
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Heh, am I remembering right that Holdo gets out of being arrested by kicking a steam valve in people’s faces or something?

It’s that stupid, Hollywood-level, loony-tunes type of plot device that’s infrcted movies for years. Neither Lucas in his heyday or whoever he’d hired (Kersh, Marquand) would allow that lazy level of writing. Once again it’s tension built up for nothing. Wait, Holdo’s captured! Oh, no, she’s not.

I just fucking hate this stupid, predictable, lazy level of writing.
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Where did this guy come from?

 

It's Creepy Thin Man again. 

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It's standard operating procedure for heroes in these sorts of films to disobey authority and be proven right. I liked that Rian Johnson decided to explore the flipside of the trope. Damn near everyone in the audience was on Poe's side until his plan crashed and burned. Hindsight is 20/20. Now the Max Landises of the world can pretend like they care about a fictional military's chain of command.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/17/17 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post

Where did this guy come from?

He’s always with us.
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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Heh, am I remembering right that Holdo gets out of being arrested by kicking a steam valve in people’s faces or something?
 

hahaha yup!

 

 

there's always something nearby!

 

it's a poetic callback to the steam that luke used against vader in empire, y'see?

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hahaha yup!


there's always something nearby!

it's a poetic callback to the steam that luke used against vader in empire, y'see?

Hah, I did think of Luke using the steam in ESB, but that didn’t turn the tide of events did it?

It’s just a lazy dues ex machina.
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WAY TO EXPLAIN THE SNARK!!!

 

 

but then there's also Boba Fett's goofy defeat in JEDI

 

"boba fett???  boba fett??? WHERE????"

"HYEEAAAARRUUUGHHH!!!!"

 

(burp)

 

 

deus ex whackina

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It's Creepy Thin Man again. 

Are you sure?  Cunt Wars sounds pretty legit

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Legit in "has so many restraining orders against him that he's like a blubbering, woman hating version of North Korea." kind of way.

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I’m utterly amazed that it took a thread about Star Wars for this creep to pop up.
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Not surprising really. Anything that challenges his very small MRA soaked worldview usually sets him off.

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I thought he was already posting as "Not A Tumor" or whatever the account's name is, and just created the "Cunt Wars" account to celebrate the new movie with us.
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Um... so is this all caps Cunt Wars dude a banned and new username, or simply a gimmick troll alt?
post #1887 of 7540
He's a troll who has been banned more times than anyone can count, but who has kept coming back for years due to how easy it is to make a new account.
post #1888 of 7540
Oh I see. I'm all for a bit of light tongue-in-cheek trolling and jibber jabber, but this guy's style is just abrasive for the sake of it. Bleh.
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FYI, shithead, I love and respect women but don't suck up to them to get into their pants unlike certain people (pic related) while I'm happily married to a biological female, how about you?!?FACT!!! 



Nice of you to show a picture of your future cell mates.
Dude, just let it go.
You don’t like the new Star Wars because it clashes with your worldview?
Fine. The originals are still there for you, and will be long after we are all dead.
You have nothing to gain by bitching about the new ones and trying to ruin things for others.
Don’t like it? Write a book or script. Direct a movie or tv series.
Create something of your own. Make your own Star Wars.
Star Wars doesn’t owe you anything you assumed, bought or believe yourself.
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We all know Rey's parents weren't her actual parents, right? After her demonstrating her powers in this film I'm beginning to believe she and Anakin were both birthed by the Force.

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Rey the Force be with you.
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The weird thing about the bombing run - which was mostly pretty dang awesome to be fair - was how Leia didn't simply radio the rest of the fleet to tell them to abort the attack run after Poe went all Poor Man's Maverick on her. In every other Star Wars we see the command base radio the fleet, why not then?

Without an in-text explanation for why the dynamic is conveniently different in this case that aspect of an otherwise top notch space battle plays really poorly.

Too many times in this film tension was contrived from hack moves involving bizarre and nonsensical non-communications (see also Luke not telling the rebels to bug out asap while he went to stall Kylo, as well as Leia and/or Dern not telling Poe what the mission was).
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We all know Rey's parents weren't her actual parents, right? After her demonstrating her powers in this film I'm beginning to believe she and Anakin were both birthed by the Force.

I think Rey is the actual Chosen one.
It was never a Skywalker, since they all carry the taint of being born from a manipulation of the Force by a Sith.
It certainly fits the whole Hero’s Journey theme better than the Skywalker story after the added baggage of the prequels
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I've long entertained the idea that, as the "Chosen One," Anakin worked exactly as advertised; it was the Jedi who arrogantly assumed that bringing the Force into balance meant that they would score a permanent win and then there would be no more Dark Side. He brought things into balance when he took them down a peg.
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Maybe there's an alternate dimension version of me where I can get through one sentence of what Cunt Wars is shitting out. And in that dimension, maybe my eyelids are stapled open. At least I hope that that's the excuse.

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We all know Rey's parents weren't her actual parents, right? After her demonstrating her powers in this film I'm beginning to believe she and Anakin were both birthed by the Force.

Well, I think it's safe to say we know exactly as much as the folks making these films do.

I fully expect JJ to retcon the parentage reveal from this film. In fact I'm pretty positive. More than pretty.
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It's kind of incredible to think that the series Disney paid umpty billion dollars to acquire is going to essentially end up being written via tug-o'-war.
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Huh. Would you look at that...

 

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I've long entertained the idea that, as the "Chosen One," Anakin worked exactly as advertised; it was the Jedi who arrogantly assumed that bringing the Force into balance meant that they would score a permanent win and then there would be no more Dark Side. He brought things into balance when he took them down a peg.

He handed the galaxy to the Sith. That’s not balance.
If you go by Lucas’s movies, Luke is the chosen one; he ends the Sith’s reign and is the last surviving Jedi through whom a new beginning can start.
The sequels change that.
And, in official canon, we have Kenobi in Rebels admitting he believes Luke is the chosen one, and Maul as well saying he will avenge both of them.
Luke is the chosen one.
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We all know Rey's parents weren't her actual parents, right? After her demonstrating her powers in this film I'm beginning to believe she and Anakin were both birthed by the Force.

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Ugh. Just, ugh.

I am absolutely thrilled that Rey came from nothing, and is seemingly unrelated to the Skywalker/Kenobi/Binks/whatever bloodlines. Let the old things die. Especially if it means fucking midichlorines dont ever get referenced again.

Cause what is more fun for any hopeful, imaginative kid to find out that you need to have to right blood type to be a Jedi. Ugh. Let’s stop focusing on the same goddamned family.

Thank god Rey cam from nothing. I hope that sticks.
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