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post #6101 of 7633
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Rian Johnson didn't decide to kill off anyone in Breaking Bad, and I think Kathleen Kennedy is savvy enough to have understood that. 


​What??? Rian Johnson killed off Hank Schrader and everyone at the time was so shocked about how well he did it, they tagged him to produce the same thing for The LAST JEDI.. I remember when that episode debuted, no one would shut up over it cause of how well it was done and how Hank was such a badass...

post #6102 of 7633
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I'm really surprised people are still discussing this movie.. It just wasn't that good at all and did a complete disservice to the Classic Heroes of STAR WARS that moviegoers turned out in droves for beginning with The FORCE AWAKENS.. Honestly, if it weren't for Rian Johnson killing off Hank Schrader on BREAKING BAD along with the Finale, no one would give a fuck who this guy was.. Disney hired him for the so called shock value when it came time to killing off beloved characters and this new cast isn't worth a fuck either..

 

Possible to just think this shit without typing it out. Keep it in brain, bro! No need to get it into the world, my man.

post #6103 of 7633
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

 

I mean ... Revan and Bastila (along with HK47) are goddamn classics.  But, okay.

 

In terms of SWTOR, it basically function as KOTOR 3 in the single player version (I don't want to spoil any particular plot points, but it REALLY actually is KOTOR 3 ...).   You can turn off each and every mmorpg function and play on a PVE server (so other players can't attack you and you don't see any of their dialogue).  It's even free to play!  So basically, you're going to get a 250 million dollar-to-produce single player experience for free! 

 

There are eight main storylines, but the one you really want is Imperial Agent.  Amazing.  If you want more, the light-sided Sith Warrior is compelling.  Most of the other storylines don't really measure up.  

 

Hmmm, I did not know you could essentially do it single player. I guess I should figure out if it will run on my janky old laptop...

 

Revan doesn't really count because he's a blank slate.  Bastila is a fine character but I don't rank her over any of the KOTOR 2 crew besides the Disciple.  Even GOTO has some fascinating layers and motivations when you make the effort to get below the surface.  And HK-46 and Canderous are both better, more nuanced figures in their sequel appearances.

post #6104 of 7633
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Hmmm, I did not know you could essentially do it single player. 

 

It's been a few years, but you 1.)turn off player names, 2.)turn off all inter-player dialogue, 3.)play on a pve server, and 4.)turn off all world notices including people trying to dialogue you.

 

At that point, everyone just looks like an npc and you have a single player experience (for certain storylines) that's excellent.  

post #6105 of 7633
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSkAMWCVAAEAPig.jpg

 

 

 

 

I gotta say, when I found out about Porgs, I did not see "there will be a scene of Chewbacca eating them" coming.

post #6106 of 7633

That scene sold Porgs for me.  I kind of adore Rian Johnson and his off beat sense of humor.  I love how much the alien cow milking disturbed so many people, and Luke just has this shit eating "yeah that's right" grin.

 

Rian Johnson is truly one of us.  A delightful troll at heart.

post #6107 of 7633
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I gotta say, when I found out about Porgs, I did not see "there will be a scene of Chewbacca eating them" coming.

I was actually surprised there weren't more scenes of him eating Porgs after that photo where it looked like he had Porg feathers on his mouth in the ship. I say more, but we didn't actually get one scene of him eating a Porg, just him cooking one. Maybe the cut hour was a bunch of scenes of Chewbacca eating Porgs?
post #6108 of 7633
Chewie ended up doing the right thing. He’s been pussied up by Disney!
post #6109 of 7633

 Maybe Chewie realized the prog wouldn't taste as good without BBQ sauce.

post #6110 of 7633
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The people behind The Force Awakens probably didn't expect that either.

I think it's incredibly unlikely that they planned otherwise, but if the Kasdan and Abrams didn't want the only Skywalker grandchild to be a school shooter and the Republic to be weak, then they shouldn't have made them that way. A lot of the complaints people have about TLJ - the Skywalker line seemingly having ended so horribly, the galaxy back to Empire vs Rebels, Luke having buggered off - are TFA's decisions. 

I think it's incredibly unlikely they planned anything at all. They just dropped a bunch of mystery boxes they clearly had no answer to that could be taken whatever way the next person wanted to.

The Force Awakens doesn't tell you Kylo Ren is the only Skywalker kid. It also doesn't tell you he killed any other students. All it tells you is he and a group of students turned to the dark side under Snoke, they seemingly beat Luke in a fight, (which isn't the way this movie goes with that; TFW teases a fight that leaves Luke under that rubble, TLJ shows you Luke tried killing his nephew in his sleep and the nephew just made his tiny hut fall on him in a comedically anticlimactic scene) and they destroyed Luke's school.

It also doesn't tell you the Republic is weak, or that the Republic was taken out, because it doesn't tell you anything about the Republic. All it tells you about the Republic is some random Republic planets we don't know the level of importance of were attacked, and that for reasons unknown (in-universe anyways) they haven't been going after what's left of the Empire.
post #6111 of 7633
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 Maybe Chewie realized the prog wouldn't taste as good without BBQ sauce.

That's what their tears are for. It's why you cook Progs in front of other Porgs.
post #6112 of 7633
Really good news guys, I worked out why Poe gets on my tits. It's because he's Space Jake Peralta, and Earth Jake Peralta gets on my tits.

From the tone and quality of the jokes to being super talented but needing to be reigned in by authority figures to the general, high-pitched whine of Eager Beaverness they're LITERALLY the same person and it SHAMES me to actual death it took me this long to see it.

post #6113 of 7633
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I think it's incredibly unlikely they planned anything at all. They just dropped a bunch of mystery boxes they clearly had no answer to that could be taken whatever way the next person wanted to.

 

Not so certain. Anyone remember Johnson specifically requesting JJ cut back on things in Force Awakens for his movie? I think there may have been more answers there in a previous cut. Then the movie ends up playing with fans' heads even though it was plain as day the answers were right under our noses.

 

post #6114 of 7633
Caught the movie a second time the other day. Confirmed, the fact that Chewie leaves the feet on the roasted porg loses none of its comedy punch on subsequent viewings.
post #6115 of 7633
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Really good news guys, I worked out why Poe gets on my tits. It's because he's Space Jake Peralta, and Earth Jake Peralta gets on my tits.

From the tone and quality of the jokes to being super talented but needing to be reigned in by authority figures to the general, high-pitched whine of Eager Beaverness they're LITERALLY the same person and it SHAMES me to actual death it took me this long to see it.


This can't be true, Jake Peralta is actually a funny character.
post #6116 of 7633
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Originally Posted by Codename View Post
 

The Jedi Knight story in The Old Republic is the most "classic" Star Wars of the lot. 

 

Dark side Sith Warrior and Sith Inquisitor are SOOOOOO much fun to play. Being an evil bastard never felt this good.

 

Smuggler is...ok. I want to like it more than I do. 

 

The trooper one's kind of boring but I love the military angle. 

 

Jedi Consular and Bounty Hunter are pants.

 

Imperial Agent IS the best of the lot though. 

Jedi Knight is pretty much "the" "KOTOR 3" storyline (especially with the addition of the major flashpoints).  As noted, very "classic Star Wars"

 

Jedi Consular I actually found to be OK.  Just think of it as:  Jedi Knight is like you're playing an Obi-Wan or Anakin or Mace Windu - Jedi who are superstars of the Order.  Jedi Consular is like playing one of those Jedi Masters who get no lines on the Jedi Council in the movies.  You're someone that's goes around and gets stuff done without much fuss and some silliness about a title that only exists in the game (and thus is not really worth getting excited about) aside, it feels like you're a Jedi going about doing more "typical" Jedi things than the Jedi Knight who saves the Galaxy every other mission (not that the Consular doesn't, it's just not in as grandiose fashion as the Knight).  I will say, though, that Jedi Consular probably gets a bad rap because they have the least interesting group of companions of any of the classes.

 

One note:  Jedi Knight and Jedi Consular are both HILARIOUS if you go full dark side, in the sense that it makes the Jedi Council look like even bigger dopes than the Prequel Jedi.  "Wow, you murdered all those people horribly.  We should totally give you more acclaim and/or responsibility!"

 

Sith Warrior is just good all around.  Light Side, Dark Side, doesn't matter.  I liked it better than the Agent, but the Agent was probably the victim of heightened expectations for me:  It was so hyped up by everyone that after I played it I was just kinda like:  That's what everyone was raving about?  IMO the Sith Warrior also has (by a narrow margin) the best overall "crew" of companions, with only one "dud" (and he's the last one you get so...).  Nearly every other class had at least two companions that left me cold.

 

As noted, Imperial Agent is good.  Their crew is kind of hit-or-miss, though.

 

Sith Inquisitor is pretty crazy, but like the Warrior probably a little more intriguing if you go Lightside.  But even more psycho than the Warrior if you go dark side.

 

Smuggler is fairly amusing in parts, but it doesn't hold together too well.  "Wanting to like it more than I do" sums it up well.  Though the Smuggler's crew is pretty fun barring one exception.

 

Trooper is...Trooper.  You are an elite soldier doing elite soldierly things and the only real "twist" in the story happens in the prologue.  I'm told going Darkside with the Trooper makes it a lot more fun though.  They do also get one of the most hilarious companions in the game (Forex 4 Life).

 

Bounty Hunter I was pretty meh on.  Unless you're  a big Mandalorian fan, there just isn't much there.  The companions are pretty decent though.


Edited by Jmacq1 - 1/4/18 at 3:20am
post #6117 of 7633
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Really good news guys, I worked out why Poe gets on my tits

 

I've never heard this phrase before but am going to work it into every conversation possible going forward.

post #6118 of 7633
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

 

It's been a few years, but you 1.)turn off player names, 2.)turn off all inter-player dialogue, 3.)play on a pve server, and 4.)turn off all world notices including people trying to dialogue you.

 

At that point, everyone just looks like an npc and you have a single player experience (for certain storylines) that's excellent.  

 Is it possible to learn this power...from a console?

post #6119 of 7633
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Jake Peralta is actually a funny character.

Nope.
post #6120 of 7633
Darkside Trooper is hilarious. "I'll show you what we do with separatists!" *guns down a room full of wounded enemies in their hospital beds*
post #6121 of 7633
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post #6122 of 7633
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Darkside Trooper is hilarious. "I'll show you what we do with separatists!" *guns down a room full of wounded enemies in their hospital beds*


I will admit:  It's really annoying how often Dark Side choices in the game (for ALL classes) are "stupid evil" or just ridiculously petty.  It's like Dark Siders aren't permitted to have any sense of long-term planning or unwanted consequences.  This is especially glaring in the Sith Warrior storyline, where several opportunities to work against your master, taken explicitly for the purpose of working against your master, are presented as "Light Side" because they usually involve the character sparing someone's life/lives.

 

By the standards of SWTOR, Palpatine would have been half light-side by the time he became Emperor, just because of how many times he didn't outright murder everyone around him on a whim and brazenly order large-scale atrocities.  Or at the very least heavily embezzle Republic funds for his own personal fortune.

post #6123 of 7633
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listening to the latest WE HATE MOVIES podcast

 

it should be called WE LOVE LAST JEDI now

That makes sense. 

post #6124 of 7633

Not to reopen this can of worms, but as I haven't seen any gloating posts about the abysmal Box Office drop since Xmas, I'm assuming the "legs" on this thing have been fine?  I don't follow the BO thread or anything, so I don't really understand how one judges such things.

post #6125 of 7633
I have no idea why anyone could give a rat's ass about the BO of a Star Wars movie.
post #6126 of 7633
because it's a cheap satisfying shorthand to confirm one's feelings on a star war!
post #6127 of 7633
Box Office analytics for the movie “business” are interesting to those who like numbers.

It’s also interesting to watch how the numbers validate different people’s opinions about a movie.
post #6128 of 7633
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I have no idea why anyone could give a rat's ass about the BO of a Star Wars movie.

 

Disney? Iger? Kennedy?

post #6129 of 7633

Pablo Hidalgo, of the Lucasfilm Story Group, tweeted:

 

"In a very general sense, the original idea of 7 started midway through what we now know as 8."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948366146578792449

 

"Skyler and Kira (and Kira wasn't the first proposed name either; she had at least two others) became, after a fashion, Finn and Rey. The Jedi Killer morphed from Talon corrupting the son to becoming the son. Uber became Snoke. The starting point shifted. Yadda yada yada."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948671497215684608

 

"The son falling to the dark side was always in the mix. The movies just ended up having it already an established fact."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948676134970863616

 

"Skyler was the son in some versions. And as for how all that was gonna go down, that ain't my story to tell."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948679445111455744

 

"I think the fact that a lot of people refer to them as 'scripts' shows they don't really understand what it is they're talking about."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948677745407508480

 

"Anytime someone feels angst about a treatment changing, it helps to remember the role that Mace Windy, Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, and his Padawaan learner CJ Thorpe played in the first Star Wars movie."

 

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/948680343820812288

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSptw55XkAAcEHc.jpg 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/4/18 at 12:01pm
post #6130 of 7633
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I have no idea why anyone could give a rat's ass about the BO of a Star Wars movie.


​It's sort of hard not to show at least some interest in a STAR WARS movie that damn near made 1 Billion Domestic with The FORCE AWAKENS at what?? 937M Domestic??? That's a staggering amount of $$$ for a movie to make in North America alone for someone not to at least give somewhat of a fuck, wouldn't you say???

post #6131 of 7633
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because it's a cheap satisfying shorthand to confirm one's feelings on a star war!

 

Exactly: focusing on the box office of a film as any sort of indicator of its quality is for idiots, too insecure in their own opinions to go without the suppor- wait, what?

 

In 2 weeks it became the biggest release of 2017?

 

It's dip was just a fluke - 'Fake news', if you will?

 

The unwashed proles have spoken! We now have irrefutable evidence that TLJ is the masterpiece I've always said it was; its detractors mere pretenders with agendas. Money talks! (Uh... unless, as is inevitable, TLJ ultimately makes less than TFA. Box office isn't the only measure of quality, you understand)

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post #6133 of 7633
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Dude if that's at least partly for me, I didn't mean offence: I care about the box office of the film - I'm personally invested because I'd be happy as a pig in shit if Kathleen Kennedy announced today:

 
'Thanks to TLJ's amazing box office performance, we've handed Rian Johnson 3 years and all the money he needs to make Episode IX, and however many trilogies he deigns to bless our cinemas with. I was just on the phone with Rian - he said, quote, 'there's gonna be a lot more fucking ironing jokes and subverting. And as for where Rey and Kylo and Starchild Holdo - but I've said too much, haha - are gonna go? Let's just say... Fuel disputes.' God bless you Johnson - we wish you the very best!' 
 
J.J.'s now a consultant.'
post #6134 of 7633
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... Skyler and Kira ...

For all the shit we give Star Wars for the names they come up with sometimes, thank faaaaaaark they changed the characters to Rey and Finn from Skyler and Kira.

Not that Skyler and Kira are bad names for Earth kids, but in the context of this saga "Skyler" is obnoxiously close to "Skywalker" and "Kira" would feel derivative as all heck since it, or some variation of it, feels like the name of every 3rd female sci-fi or fantasy character.
post #6135 of 7633

By the way, Emilia Clarke's character in SOLO is name Kira.

post #6136 of 7633
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... Skyler and Kira ...
For all the shit we give Star Wars for the names they come up with sometimes, thank faaaaaaark they changed the characters to Rey and Finn from Skyler and Kira.
True that, though that kind of thing frequently changes between drafts anyway (I mean, ESB's original Yoda was called Minch, which sounds like something you'd get in an English translation of a JRPG where the translators didn't realize the original name was supposed to be a pun on an English word or some damn thing.)
post #6137 of 7633
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For all the shit we give Star Wars for the names they come up with sometimes, thank faaaaaaark they changed the characters to Rey and Finn from Skyler and Kira.

Not that Skyler and Kira are bad names for Earth kids, but in the context of this saga "Skyler" is obnoxiously close to "Skywalker" and "Kira" would feel derivative as all heck since it, or some variation of it, feels like the name of every 3rd female sci-fi or fantasy character.

Hell, I'm pretty sure I've seen that at some point in development "Kira" was named "Thea". At which point you've got two hipster kids from the Pacific Northwest as the leads of the ST.

post #6138 of 7633

Hell, I don't even like a character being named "Rose". Pick a proper space name goddammit!

post #6139 of 7633

Kira's got to be from Akira Kurosawa, right?

post #6140 of 7633

Nah, everyone over there is just a huge Death Note fan.

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Kira (Death Note), alias of the protagonist Light Yagami in the Japanese manga/anime franchise Death Note.
Kira (Gelfling) in the film The Dark Crystal
Kira (Iggy Arbuckle), a rat in the animated series Iggy Arbuckle
Kira (Mortal Kombat)
Kira the Seer in the Charmed television series universe
Kira Argounova, the protagonist in Ayn Rand's We the Living
Kira Finster in animated Nickelodeon TV series Rugrats and All Grown Up!
Kira Ford (aka Yellow Dino Ranger) in Power Rangers: Dino Thunder
Kyra Hart in the TV show Reba, played by Scarlett Pomers
Kira Nerys, one of the main characters in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Kira is her family name)
Kira Sakuratsuki in the anime Futakoi
Kira Yamato in the TV anime series Mobile Suit Gundam SEED and Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny
Kira Yoshikage, a primary antagonist and serial killer in the manga series JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Kira Yukimura, one of the main characters in the MTV show "Teen Wolf"
Izuru Kira, a soul reaper in the anime Bleach
Kira, the main character of the book Gathering Blue by Lois Lowry
Kira, daughter of Sarah Manning in the television series Orphan Black
Kira in the animated TV series Zack & Quack
Kyra in the movie The Chronicles of Riddick
Kira in the movie Xanadu, played by Olivia Newton-John
Kira, a Japanese mercenary in the video game Dirty Bomb
Kira Aso, female protagonist in the Japanese manga Mars
Kira Carsen in the video game Star Wars: The Old Republic
Kira Daidohji in the video game series Arcana Heart
Kira Sumeragi in the anime Uta no Prince-Sama
Sakuya Kira in the manga and anime Angel Sanctuary
Kira a tiger in the movie Ice Age: Continental Drift

Because my Copy And Paste From Wikipedia skills are on fleek.
post #6142 of 7633
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Kira's got to be from Akira Kurosawa, right?


It totally is. At the very first production meeting for TFA in January 2013, they picked out five screenshots from a collection of Kurosawa stills to visualize "Kira"/Rey's journey from scavenger to Jedi.

post #6143 of 7633
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Not to reopen this can of worms, but as I haven't seen any gloating posts about the abysmal Box Office drop since Xmas, I'm assuming the "legs" on this thing have been fine?  I don't follow the BO thread or anything, so I don't really understand how one judges such things.

The box office discussion coming out Forbes was utterly bizarre. They were trying to find a negative way to spin a movie that was on track to make over a billion dollars by looking at the audience drop off precentage as opposed to actual money being made. Now that the movie has made more than Rogue One by its third weekend that's seemingly ended.
post #6144 of 7633
Transferring from the Solo thread:

Also, WARNING WARNING WARNING: If you're one of those goofballs who gets their knickers all a-twisty when other goofballs talk about how a film SHOULDABEEN instead of HOWITIS don't even DREAM about reading this post...


If you're a jedi who's simply trying to hide from those who want all the jedi dead you'd think the last place you want to hang out is somewhere associated with jedi - "secret" or not. The idea that Luke went to Ach-To to be left alone is daft as heck. "I wanted to cut myself off from the Force and forget all that jedi stuff ... so I came to a place intrinsically associated with the Force and all that jedi stuff."

Feels kind of needlessly forced (awesome pun intended) and contrived and awkward and convoluted to take it that way.

The most natural way to take the story as it was left at the end of The Force Awakens (and Return of the Jedi for that matter) was to have Rey find damaged, crazy Luke RACING AGAINST TIME ("I'm SO CLOSE Rey, but now that you've found me they won't be far behind!") as he tries to find the answers he needs before the agents of the dark side home in on the temple. It'd sure as heck be a far more compelling RACE AGAINST TIME than the slooooooooow-speeeeeeeeeeeeeed chaaaaaaaaaaaaase we got instead.
post #6145 of 7633
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Transferring from the Solo thread:

Also, WARNING WARNING WARNING: If you're one of those goofballs who gets their knickers all a-twisty when other goofballs talk about how a film SHOULDABEEN instead of HOWITIS don't even DREAM about reading this post...


If you're a jedi who's simply trying to hide from those who want all the jedi dead you'd think the last place you want to hang out is somewhere associated with jedi - "secret" or not. The idea that Luke went to Ach-To to be left alone is daft as heck. "I wanted to cut myself off from the Force and forget all that jedi stuff ... so I came to a place intrinsically associated with the Force and all that jedi stuff."

Feels kind of needlessly forced (awesome pun intended) and contrived and awkward and convoluted to take it that way.

The most natural way to take the story as it was left at the end of The Force Awakens (and Return of the Jedi for that matter) was to have Rey find damaged, crazy Luke RACING AGAINST TIME ("I'm SO CLOSE Rey, but now that you've found me they won't be far behind!") as he tries to find the answers he needs before the agents of the dark side home in on the temple. It'd sure as heck be a far more compelling RACE AGAINST TIME than the slooooooooow-speeeeeeeeeeeeeed chaaaaaaaaaaaaase we got instead.

Was that planet associated with the Jedi? I can't even remember now. I mean, there's a tree with some books in it, but I don't remember the movie saying Luke didn't just bring the books (or the tree) with him.

The most natural way to go with the story after Return of the Jedi would have been some totally different type of movie set in a Jedi Academy where Luke is running the show, and maybe or maybe not we're following around a Skywalker kid. Or following a Skywalker kid in some totally different type of adventure where it doesn't even pretend to have the same kind of stakes as the original movies. Or any number of other things for that matter.

A technically fast slow speed chase is just one of many subversions this movie shots for that don't work. It's a whole movie of trying to subvert your expectations while never stopping to asking if doing so is good or interesting.
post #6146 of 7633
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Transferring from the Solo thread:

Also, WARNING WARNING WARNING: If you're one of those goofballs who gets their knickers all a-twisty when other goofballs talk about how a film SHOULDABEEN instead of HOWITIS don't even DREAM about reading this post...


If you're a jedi who's simply trying to hide from those who want all the jedi dead you'd think the last place you want to hang out is somewhere associated with jedi - "secret" or not. The idea that Luke went to Ach-To to be left alone is daft as heck. "I wanted to cut myself off from the Force and forget all that jedi stuff ... so I came to a place intrinsically associated with the Force and all that jedi stuff."


He's not trying to hide from people who want the Jedi dead. He's trying to hide from people. Period. He went to the First Jedi Temple because he wanted to be sure that when he died that he took the last of the Jedi teachings with him. Who knows how many times he's put on his Jedi robes, grabbed a torch, and walked to that tree to burn it down and then changed his mind, just like this time?

post #6147 of 7633
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Was that planet associated with the Jedi? I can't even remember now. I mean, there's a tree with some books in it, but I don't remember the movie saying Luke didn't just bring the books (or the tree) with him.

The most natural way to go with the story after Return of the Jedi would have been some totally different type of movie set in a Jedi Academy where Luke is running the show, and maybe or maybe not we're following around a Skywalker kid. Or following a Skywalker kid in some totally different type of adventure where it doesn't even pretend to have the same kind of stakes as the original movies. Or any number of other things for that matter.

A technically fast slow speed chase is just one of many subversions this movie shots for that don't work. It's a whole movie of trying to subvert your expectations while never stopping to asking if doing so is good or interesting.

The most natural way to go is any number of ways?
post #6148 of 7633

Apparently the most natural way to go is any way, except the one that they went.

 

Of course if they'd gone any of those ways we'd have 125 pages of bitching about how they just ripped off the EU instead of making something new and different.

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I'm really surprised people are still discussing this movie.. It just wasn't that good at all and did a complete disservice to the Classic Heroes of STAR WARS that moviegoers turned out in droves for beginning with The FORCE AWAKENS.. Honestly, if it weren't for Rian Johnson killing off Hank Schrader on BREAKING BAD along with the Finale, no one would give a fuck who this guy was.. Disney hired him for the so called shock value when it came time to killing off beloved characters and this new cast isn't worth a fuck either..


hmmmmm.

 

HMMMMMMMMM

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Transferring from the Solo thread:

Also, WARNING WARNING WARNING: If you're one of those goofballs who gets their knickers all a-twisty when other goofballs talk about how a film SHOULDABEEN instead of HOWITIS don't even DREAM about reading this post...


If you're a jedi who's simply trying to hide from those who want all the jedi dead you'd think the last place you want to hang out is somewhere associated with jedi - "secret" or not. The idea that Luke went to Ach-To to be left alone is daft as heck. "I wanted to cut myself off from the Force and forget all that jedi stuff ... so I came to a place intrinsically associated with the Force and all that jedi stuff."

Feels kind of needlessly forced (awesome pun intended) and contrived and awkward and convoluted to take it that way.

The most natural way to take the story as it was left at the end of The Force Awakens (and Return of the Jedi for that matter) was to have Rey find damaged, crazy Luke RACING AGAINST TIME ("I'm SO CLOSE Rey, but now that you've found me they won't be far behind!") as he tries to find the answers he needs before the agents of the dark side home in on the temple. It'd sure as heck be a far more compelling RACE AGAINST TIME than the slooooooooow-speeeeeeeeeeeeeed chaaaaaaaaaaaaase we got instead.


The Force Awakens is the only film that doesn't follow the premise of its own opening crawl.

The crawl is actually pretty great, aside from the weird grammar and "huh?"-inducing bit about the Brave Resistance. It says this movie we're about to watch is about One Thing:

The forces of Light and Darkness in a race against time and each other to find the vanished Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

And then the film is not about that at all, except for a teeny bit in the beginning, and the final scene. Plus a D3THSTAR.

The thing that kills me is it would take only the tiniest of tweaks to turn TFA into a really unique, cool little film.

Instead of the final battle being centered around destroying Starkiller Base, imagine it taking place in the skies above some planet that's supposed to have the final clue to where Luke is hiding. Keep your Kylo/Finn/Rey lightsaber duel, keep Han's death (which now has a TOOOOONNNN more weight because he's on a quest to find his friend and dies on the final stop before getting to see him again), and have Rey beating Kylo (if you MUST...) be the thing that buys them the time they need to grab the McGuffin and hightail it out of there with the final clue. Zip over to see Luke as the final scene.

But the entire narrative FORCE of the story should be a Blue Team vs Red Team race to gather the clues to get to Luke first. Like National Treasure in Space. And the opening crawl tells us that's the story we're about to see! Madness I tell you.
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