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post #1 of 85
Thread Starter 
If there is a thread about this movie please say so and maybe delete this thread, but I couldn't find one.

Well it seems like Cameron might actually put Arnold in Alien 5. (darkhorizons interview)

but I can't make my mind up whether that will be a total failure or a cool thing!

when I can get back into darkhorizons I'll post a link.
post #2 of 85
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Mr_Kurtz47:
If there is a thread about this movie please say so and maybe delete this thread, but I couldn't find one.

Well it seems like Cameron might actually put Arnold in Alien 5. (darkhorizons interview)

but I can't make my mind up whether that will be a total failure or a cool thing!

when I can get back into darkhorizons I'll post a link.
Hey man, before you do that, check out Nick's request at the top of the message board for how to deal with this kind of thing:

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post #3 of 85
Thread Starter 
Thanks I'll remember to do that next time!
post #4 of 85
very interesting.

he's very upset over the killing off of his characters developed in "aliens" and he'll
"rectify" that. either he means he'll make another "alien" movie with those type characters(izations) or he may very well go for a direct follow up to "aliens" and ignore parts 3 and 4 entirely(which I wouldn't mind one bit).

that said, i'm tired of cameron "talking" about doing something with alien 5. shit or get off the pot man-commit already or leave it-stop talking about it.
post #5 of 85
I just want cameron to make another movie already .
post #6 of 85
Thread Starter 
Here's another excerpt of the interview (it also shows that Cameron is not just complimenting T3 for the sake of it):

"This isn't a man whose going to whitewash his opinion either, take for example his reaction to "Alien 3" - "Hated it. Simple as that. I hated what they did.... I couldn't stand Alien 3 - how they could just go in there and kill off all these great characters we introduced in aliens, and the correlation between mother and daughter. It stunk, but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that". You mean the talk about him being tied to "Alien 5" is true? "To an extent. yes. We're looking at doing another one. Something similiar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even discussed the possibility of putting him [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie". Thanks to 'Ryan'
post #7 of 85
If they go at it from the same perspective as Aliens I think it would be a great movie and something you could definately put Arnold in.

Maybe they could do some time paradox thing and take Dutch from Predator and have him square off against Aliens as a prelude to an Aliens vs Predator movie. Not entirely without possibility. Although not really believable either.
post #8 of 85
I expect to see this right after "True Lies 2". Anyone heard Tom Arnold's take?
post #9 of 85
Keep Arnold out of my Alien movies, damn it.

And keep Ripley out of them too, for that matter. Weaver is 54 years old...she should be more worried about menopause than running from facehuggers.
post #10 of 85
Start it with the Sulaco drifting in space (a hallmark of Alien flicks), pass 3&4 off in hypersleep dreams, fast forward 10 or 20 years or so, get Biehn and Weaver and possibly Henn back, and take it from there.

If Arnie has to be in it, make him up as one of the Space Jockeys and dig into the relationship between them and the Aliens and the whole 'bioweapon' thing.

post #11 of 85
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28 Day Slater:
Keep Arnold out of my Alien movies, damn it.

And keep Ripley out of them too, for that matter. Weaver is 54 years old...she should be more worried about menopause than running from facehuggers.
I think you have a bigger threat to worry about in a man named Anderson...
post #12 of 85
Nothing could do more of a disservice to the series that Alien³ did, removing two vital characters, and thus severing most emotional links to Aliens, and most of what I loved about that film.
post #13 of 85
Don't get me wrong, as a seperate film, Alien³ is pretty good, and thankfully showed off the talents of the great David Fincher. But as an Alien movie, for me, it was lacking. However, admittedly not as much as Resurrection, which was a slap in the face.
post #14 of 85
I wouldn't mind if they did what Fett is suggesting - bury 3 and 4 and give us a true continuance of "Aliens." I do sort of like "Alien 3", but I agree with (Candace) Cameron that it was a cop out to just kill off Hicks and Newt. Anyway, it does seem like we are going to get an Alien 5 no matter what. And no matter what, Weaver will be involved - so I imagine something will happen in the next few years.

post #15 of 85
Frankly, james cameron has not made a real movie in like 7 years. What the hell is this guy doing? Ghosts of the Abyss...ya ok great, now make a god damn movie! Im glad he liked T3.

As far as Alien 5. I wish Ridley (scott) would come back, but having cameron back brings the Schwarz- factor. I think Dutch and Ridley gives me a geek-asm of mythic proportions. Dutch fighting aliens with ole painless is an image that would stay burned on my retinas for life. Ok, geekasm over. Realistically, I think having arnold AND sigourney in one movie would be difficult, but cameron was able to do sigourney paul reiser AND bill paxon in one movie so who knows!

Anyway, it would be kinda clever if arnold plays the new android in alien 5. He knows how to play a robot. If this happens though, ill be happy...very happy.

post #16 of 85
Aliens 3 has always pissed me off I remember seeing it for the first time and just shaking my head in wonder that they killed off Newt and Hicks.
post #17 of 85
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It would be daring but this is what they needed to do in order to pull of Alien 5. Firstly they should skip the #5 and pretend that part 3 and 4 never happened. Well they could write T3 off as merely a nightmare (that would be both ironic and a slap back in Fincher's face from Cameron for killing off characters he struggled to build up).

The opening scenes should go along something like this:

1 - We see the craft from the end of Aliens drifting slowly through space. It looks scarred from many impacts with small meteorites and other space debris. Suddenly a much newer and sleeker looking (yet smaller) spaceship enters the view and a cool docking sequence ensues. We see some brief shots of the pilots maneuvering the small spaceship and they appear efficient, almost motionless and their faces are hidden behind the black tinted glass of their mean looking helmets.

2 - next we have a beautiful inside shot of the old ship. We "fly" through dust covered hallways (all this could be while the last credits appeared on and off), through the recognizable docking hangar where the last battle was fought only this time a huge gaping hole on the side wall gives us a beautiful view of space. Something big has obviously hit the ship, could be a small meteor or something similar. We continue through some more hallways untill we end up at a door/port at the end of a corridor. The camera is focused on the door while we hear metallic sounds coming seemingly from just the other side(docking).

The door opens with a swooosh revealing several marine-type soldiers with similiar uniforms and armament as the ones in Aliens, although these guys seem a bit more up-to-date wearing pressure-suits and helmets quite similar to the pilots with the traditional black visirs.

They hurry through the corridors passing - protected by glass - the rampaged docking hangar. One soldier remarks:

"She has taken quite a beating"

The soldier in front of him replies:

"she's lucky she survived the belts"

Both their voices are distorted from the radios and sound much like when the stormtroopers speak in Starwars.

More "infiltration" scenes follow and at some point we see the soldiers entering the "sleep chamber". All the pods are covered in fine dust and 3-4 soldiers are moving ahead slowly.

Soldier 1:

"fridge 20 to 23 right?" He sounds young and insecure.

Soldier 2

"yeah those are the ones."

They close in on the last 3 pods and take a quick look at eachother, before soldier 1 reaches down and puts his gloved hand on the dust. Before doing anything he looks back over his shoulder to soldier 2 and says:

"Just bones right?"

soldier 2 nodding:

"just bones"!

Soldier 1 quickly scrabes a line of dust off and the camera switches view to the soldiers black glass face before we can se what is revealed.

Soldier 1 (slowly and in disbelief):

"You GOT to be fucking shittin me!"

Soldier 2 leans over to look and dryly remarks:

"That is a good looking 18 year old corpse. You better call the colonel right now!"

The camera now shows us Ripley's face through the hazed glass of the pod. She looks older than when we saw her in Aliens (18 years older to be exact) but still beautiful in Ripley's own way. She looks at peace but certainly not dead. The camera slowly moves upward in a circular way to the most beautifull music ever scored.

End of part one :-)

The whole idea is that some 18 years before, a meteorite impacted the ship knocking it out of course and at the same time disabled some of the pod support systems. The hybernation parts were destroyed but a nutritional backup system took over. This backup system can only support the body for 20 years and of course doesn't slow the age-process. This way we don't need any makup for either Mr. Biehn or Weaver.
Also, people from earth monitored the metoerite impact and lost all "pod-signals" from the ship. Ripley and company were declared dead and any attempts of salvage deemed too costly, due to the course change after the Impact.

Now Arnold is of course "the Colonel" so I'll just have to think of a cool introduction to his character.

To be continued...
post #18 of 85
Not directly on-topic, but.....

In the early-to-mid 90's, I sent an outline/treatment to some suits I knew at FOX. The response I got was they were in negotiations with a writer, but would let me know what happens. A few weeks later, I was told they signed the "Speed writer", (which I was dumbfounded by after his wonderful re-write on Waterworld), and he had his own ideas.

Well, the peeps I knew didn't care for his initial ideas and they threw some of mine at him, (it brought Hicks and Newt back in certain degrees), and he wasn't happy they would even suggest using someone else's materials. I didn't think anything of it until I read a number of interviews with him at the time, and these off-handed comments he made were indirect shots at me. I was amazed. I asked a few of the FOX people what the hell this was about and they said his ego just exploded because of Speed.

So, I got my hands on his first draft and told a few middle people he did a great job ripping off a Spanish film, Accione Mutante. Supposedly he denied ever seeing it, (at the time), which is amazing to believe.

I was glad on a few levels that Ressurection tanked because it sucked balls. For all the tinkering Hill and Brandywine did to A3, at least they kept an Alien vibe to it.
post #19 of 85
His name's Joss Whedon.
post #20 of 85
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Hey Gunro, what exactly is a treatment? How long/detailed should it be and is there a field of business were people simply produce ideas and sell them off to the companies. I've often speculated about this cause I often come up with detailled ideas on movie plots but simply doesn't possess the talent to write a screenplay. A middleway would be nice if you know what I mean.

Sorry for my bad english!
post #21 of 85
I know his name is Joss Whedon. "Speed writer" was in quotes because I was "quoting" what the person said to me.

Treatments aren't as hot as they once were. For people looking to get in, you should write a spec script. No one, especially in today's market, wants to pay for something that hasn't been fleshed out. It brings them closer to having a polished script, and it's cheaper.
post #22 of 85
I know you know his name is Joss Whedon. I figure if you're gonna beat up on the man, you might as well type up his name. Anyway, I thought Whedon's Alien SCRIPT was good. Movie didn't turn out so hot. I'll have to check out the Spanish movie you mentioned.
post #23 of 85
I thought Graham Yost wrote "Speed".
post #24 of 85
Whedon came in at the last second and rewrote about 90% of the diologue. He didn't change any of the structure or action beats, but he added most of the humor and one-liners. You can tell there is a difference in diologue quality when you compare Speed to Broken Arrow and Hard Rain.
post #25 of 85
I stand sort-of corrected. Apologies.
post #26 of 85
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Eastern-Bloc Robot Cowboy:
I stand sort-of corrected. Apologies.
His name isn't in the credits. I didn't know about the rewrites on SPR until recently either. That's just the way it goes. Whedon is hell-bent on mentioning it in nearly every interview he has been in.
post #27 of 85
Probably in the hope that he'll get to make some movies that aren't run into the ground. The world would be a better place with some films written and directed by Joss Whedon.
post #28 of 85
Here's what James Cameron can do....

He can start Alien 5 from the point after ALIENS....Sigourney Weaver wakes up from her sleeping pod and says, "I had this weird nightmare where I ended up in a prison planet, had an alien inside me, and ended up dying. Then I was cloned and resurrected..."

Bishop then tells Ripley that, "Don't worry, it was just a dream."

Ripley says, "Oh...."

Thereby restarting the franchise from where it crashed and burned!

I really hope that Cameron can fix the Alien franchise because I love the series!!!!!
post #29 of 85
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Bunny Dracula, Phd.:
This problem of how to bring back Hicks and Newt to the franchise while simultaneously ignoring all the events of Aliens 3 & 4 (hey, I liked A3, also, but, whatever) was quite handily solved in a situation somewhat similar to this on late-'80's prime-time supersoap Dallas : Pam Ewing wakes from her sleep to hear the shower running and it gets her wondering; she knows she's alone so who could be in the shower?; she slowly makes her way into the steamy bathroom; she whips back the shower curtain and - lo and behold - it's her dead husband Bobby Ewing, BUT HE'S ALIVE!; apparently, from the time he died 2 seasons previous to that moment had all been a bad dream of Pam's. Sure, it was a crock. But it did fulfill the desires of the die-hard Dallas fans to have a favorite character return to the fold and it negated the previous two dissappointing seasons. Substitute Pam Ewing for Ripley , Bobby Ewing for Hicks , and the shower for the sleeper-capsules on the Sulaco and, voila!, you have Alien 5 (more properly 3). Everything else will fall into place from there.

Or not.
Whoops, someone else had the same idea! Hehehe But I really hope they fix it somehow.
post #30 of 85
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vamp615:
If they go at it from the same perspective as Aliens I think it would be a great movie and something you could definately put Arnold in.

Maybe they could do some time paradox thing and take Dutch from Predator and have him square off against Aliens as a prelude to an Aliens vs Predator movie. Not entirely without possibility. Although not really believable either.
Didn't someone mention something like this, Dutch being stuck inside an Alien zoo? Or was that a Predator zoo?

Either way, it'd be cool.

The whole movie could be about him escaping from the Predator zoo and in the end, he does, but he's got no way to get off the planet.

It would be a really cool "Escape" film.

Edit: How did he end up in the Alien/Predator zoo? After killing the Predator in P1, he elevates his "game status." On the Predator planet, he becomes like the holy grail of humans because he actually defeated one of them at their own game.

Maybe when he's caught, Danny Glover can be his cell mate.

post #31 of 85
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Whispering Smith:
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vamp615:
If they go at it from the same perspective as Aliens I think it would be a great movie and something you could definately put Arnold in.

Maybe they could do some time paradox thing and take Dutch from Predator and have him square off against Aliens as a prelude to an Aliens vs Predator movie. Not entirely without possibility. Although not really believable either.
Didn't someone mention something like this, Dutch being stuck inside an Alien zoo? Or was that a Predator zoo?

Either way, it'd be cool.

The whole movie could be about him escaping from the Predator zoo and in the end, he does, but he's got no way to get off the planet.

It would be a really cool "Escape" film.

Edit: How did he end up in the Alien/Predator zoo? After killing the Predator in P1, he elevates his "game status." On the Predator planet, he becomes like the holy grail of humans because he actually defeated one of them at their own game.

Maybe when he's caught, Danny Glover can be his cell mate.
I don't know if it's what you're thinking of, but Robert Rodriguez wrote a Predator 3 script sometime in the late '90s which had Dutch and Danny Glover's character imprisoned on a Predator homeworld, where they had to compete in gladiatorial games against them.

post #32 of 85
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tankblitzer:
Here's what James Cameron can do....

He can start Alien 5 from the point after ALIENS....Sigourney Weaver wakes up from her sleeping pod and says, "I had this weird nightmare where I ended up in a prison planet, had an alien inside me, and ended up dying. Then I was cloned and resurrected..."

Bishop then tells Ripley that, "Don't worry, it was just a dream."

Ripley says, "Oh...."

Thereby restarting the franchise from where it crashed and burned!

I really hope that Cameron can fix the Alien franchise because I love the series!!!!!
Gotta ask, did you read the whole thread?
post #33 of 85
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tankblitzer:
Here's what James Cameron can do....

He can start Alien 5 from the point after ALIENS....Sigourney Weaver wakes up from her sleeping pod and says, "I had this weird nightmare where I ended up in a prison planet, had an alien inside me, and ended up dying. Then I was cloned and resurrected..."

Bishop then tells Ripley that, "Don't worry, it was just a dream."

Ripley says, "Oh...."

Thereby restarting the franchise from where it crashed and burned!

I really hope that Cameron can fix the Alien franchise because I love the series!!!!!
well the "dream escape" method could be applied! I'll try and finish my story from before. If you don’t want to read this long post, go straight to the bottom of it and see my suggestion.

Part 2

We now see a smaller ship approaching the 2 ships we have already been introduced to.
A text informs us that it's

5 DAYS AFTER INITIAL CONTACT

Inside the docking hangar soldiers are walking about doing repairs and some are still working on a big "patch" they have made to seal the hole. Pressure is restored.

The floor gate opens and a lift is slowly bringing 4 men into view. The camera moves closer from behind and then circles the 4 men. We are now introduced to Lt. Colonel William Schreiber aka Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's chewing a big cigar and looks mean as shit. The other men besides him consist of one marine and 2 civilian looking guys.

As they appear a sergeant snappily yells

"Attention on deck"

and after 5 seconds all the soldiers have lined up.

Colonel Schreiber approaches the sergeant. and without any hesitation asks:

Schreiber: "Are they awake"

they start to walk

Sergeant: “Only one so far Sir. We figured it would be safest to..”

Schreiber cuts him off

Schreiber: „Who’s awake?“

Sergeant: “Lt. Ellen Ripley sir.”

Schreiber: “How’s she doing?”

Sergeant: “She hasn’t spoken much and we didn’t want to begin the questioning before you arrived Sir. “

Schreiber: “Good!”

Sergeant: “She did ask about the others though,”

Schreiber: “Cpl Hicks and Miss Jordan?”

Sergeant: “Yes Sir”

Schreiber: “And how are they?”

Sergeant, “They are in a stable condition, healthy, all things considered…”

Schreiber: “And the ship’s condition?”

Sergeant: “Lots of superficial hull damage and a few deep wounds but nothing critical! We’ll have the ship fully operational in less than 72 hours and we’ll ignite as soon as we receive the spare fuel from “The Predator”!”

Schreiber: “Good, Anything else?”

Sergeant: “No Sir, not really… But…”

Schreiber: “But what?”

Sergeant: “The pods Sir. There were 24! Where’s the rest of the crew?”

Schreiber looks back at the two men in civillian clothes who have been following them all along. He then looks back at the sergeant.

Schreiber: “That’s what I’m going to find out!”

They get to a door with two soldiers guarding it.

Schreiber: “Thank you sergeant, that would be all!”


Schreiber looks at the two civilian clad men and says:

“ok. Let’s do this”

They enter af room with a large window that is obviously tinted on the other side. On the other side of the glass we see Ripley for the first time in full stature. She’s standing, leaning on the frame of af high and narrow observation window looking out on the beautiful view of a nearby planet. In one of her hands she clutches a small rectangular mirror, probably military issue.

Arnold walks close to the big window and just stand there looking at her while the to civilian’s slowly start to talk. It turns out one is a scientist and the other a company man!

Company man: “I still don’t get it! We lost the pod signals 18 years ago”

Scientist: “Well we didn’t exactly loose them, they…”

Company Man: “I know, they turned flat, but that still means she shouldn’t be here, now, there in that room.

The company man walks and stands next to Schreiber, who’s still just looking, investigative at Ripley while chewing his cigar.

Company Man: “She should have turned to dust by now.”

Scientist: “The backup system kept them alive. Providing nutrition and fluids. I have no idea why the backup system didn’t transmit, it must have been destroyed by one of the impacts. Perhaps when crossing the belts, who knows.”

Company man: “But a nutritional backup system can only support you for 4-5 years, she’s been floating out here for… 18 years!”

Scientist: “This ship was made almost 30 years ago, before the hypernation chambers were fully efficient. Back in those days the backup systems had to be able to support the body for 20 years. Company rules, and they saved Lt. Ripley!”

PHEEEW I can’t handle anymore right now but the idea is that when Arnold talks to Ripley she says she’s infected. That she was attacked while sleeping. She’s sure of this. Arnold and the scientist inform her that there is no “infection” or egg in her and that it was all a dream. A very lifelike dream that often occurs when you go into hypernation after being subjected to extreem stress. Or when you subsequently wake up after long periods of hypernation. They remind her (from the files they have) that the same thing happened to her after the first time she was saved (in Aliens when she has a nightmare) and that it is likely to happen again.

And Cameron has just taken a big dump on Fincher!
post #34 of 85
From a insane fanboy point of view, having Dutch back fighting predators would be awesome. And since the Predator, aliens, and Judge Dredd world are connected (as well as the DC universe) we could have Dutch, Dredd and a Predator fighting aliens. Somehow they're trapped on the alien homeworld and are trying to escape. Luckily they have massive firepower and just go around killing aliens as a military team attempts to locate and rescue them so they can send dredd back to the future in order to restore the timeline.

this can work!
post #35 of 85
...Things get worse, however, for our heroes as the new generation of terminators, endoskeletons covered with alien flesh, travel back in time in order to kill them.
Thankfully, they are followed by Ripley 8, sent back by the Space Jockeys and two version of Batman: One from our past (Adam West) and a cyber-batman from the year 3000.

The truth is revealed, when we find out that this is all a virtual reality simulation ran by Brainiac, who has taken control of Earth with the aid of Lexcorp AI.
post #36 of 85
Do we really need the "it was all just a dream" correction method in the Alien series? I mean, things got bad, but that would just make it worse. Cameron is smart enough to figure out a way to continue the series without resorting to an easy way out.

post #37 of 85
Why bother dismissing parts 3 & 4? Just do a remake of each, and do it right.
post #38 of 85
Um, wouldn't that be a way of dismissing parts 3 and 4?
post #39 of 85
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Kevin Matchstick:
Um, wouldn't that be a way of dismissing parts 3 and 4?
Not if you don't recognize their existence.
post #40 of 85
I think it depends which point of view you stand on. I'm coming from the point of view that everything that was so great about the way the first two Alien flicks moulded together, and the way the tapestry was added to and enriched, and brought to a full circle of kind with Ripley and Newt (especially with Ripley losing her daughter), was just kinda cruelly destroyed in an instant.

Alien and Aliens, to me, are the perfect pair, two films that completely make one package, with Ripley's odyssey of her encountering the Alien, and then surviving on a physical level but still being scarred on an emotional level, where going back to LV-426 was the ultimate therapy session. And to be fair, if the series had ended then, I would have been satisfied. But that it continued, and continued in such a savage way for me, was just unforgivable. It was like 'hey, you spent the entire last movie making a really good emotional connection with these characters, right? WELL FUCK YOU, THEY'RE DEAD'. Probably a bit overexagerrating, but that's how it felt to me. In terms of a sequel now, I'd like to see it go two ways: either go with a fresh new cast, and explore the origins of the Aliens, and possibly the space jockeys, or bring the trio of Ripley, Hicks and Newt back and let them take one final journey against the Aliens, involving their own planet and the space jockey and exploring that relationship, plus the evolution of the Aliens as the one thing that man has encountered that is as ruthless and as efficient a killer as him, and just have it out. I dunno. Something like that.
post #41 of 85
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Resident Hellion:
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Kevin Matchstick:
Um, wouldn't that be a way of dismissing parts 3 and 4?
Not if you don't recognize their existence.
Huh?
post #42 of 85
^Fett, great post!

That's the whole problem with ALien 3, all the emotional connections you had with those characters was killed off in an instant and basically made "Aliens" a waste. They battled for their lives against hundreds of aliens, put up with a sabotuer(Burke, the company man), hot wired a drop ship(very risky) to come pick them up, escape a nuclear bomb blast and then Alien 3 starts with Hicks and Newt cheaply dying in a crash in the first 5 minutes of the movie.

Then Alien 3 totally goes against the grain by impregnating Ripley with a Queen Alien which prompts the alien not to harm her. So, basically at this point, we know Ripley is in no real danger from it(and that's been the point of the Alien movies-being scared of them and battling them). The only thing we know is that she's gonna die which leads us to the horrible "clone" Ripley saga in "Resurrection" which further alienates(no pun intended) the character to us. She's really no longer human and now part Alien. WTF? I'll stop here as I don't want to hijack the thread.

Anyways, as I've stated previously, Cameron needs to either come out and 100% commit to doing Aien 5(most likely writing and producing according to him with Scott directing if he has his choice) or he simply needs to shut up and move on. He's surely teasing those of us who long for the proper follow up to "Aliens" with his involvement.

I don't care how much of a cop out it is-he needs to use the "bad dream" idea to write off 3 and 4.
post #43 of 85
Yes, by all means, let's use the hoary old "it was all a dream" cliche just so we can briefly re-establish whatever emotional connections we had with characters in a film twenty years ago. Never mind the fact that Weaver is in her mid-fifties and the kid who plays Newt is now an adult that none of us would recognize if we passed on the street...let's regress!

Or Cameron could just, you know, invent some new characters.
post #44 of 85
Yeah. That's why I said do it ten or twenty years on.

I don't want to see new characters really, because the saga of Ripley et al hasn't been wrapped in a satisfactory way, and who better to do it than Cameron.
post #45 of 85
I think Cameron wrapped up his saga of Ripley pretty neatly in Aliens. The fact that two other filmmakers came along and took away his happy ending doesn't negate what he did.

Cameron didn't want to do "Terminator 3" because he felt like he had wrapped up the story, that he had said everything that was left to say. How is Aliens any different?
post #46 of 85
Because Terminator 2 didn't have two sequels that completely shit on the arc of its main character.

I agree, Cameron wrapped up Aliens beautifully. It's what was done after that has fucked up this series royally. I just want someone to either kill it now, or do it right. But that's me.
post #47 of 85
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F e t t ³:
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tankblitzer:
Here's what James Cameron can do....

He can start Alien 5 from the point after ALIENS....Sigourney Weaver wakes up from her sleeping pod and says, "I had this weird nightmare where I ended up in a prison planet, had an alien inside me, and ended up dying. Then I was cloned and resurrected..."

Bishop then tells Ripley that, "Don't worry, it was just a dream."

Ripley says, "Oh...."

Thereby restarting the franchise from where it crashed and burned!

I really hope that Cameron can fix the Alien franchise because I love the series!!!!!
Gotta ask, did you read the whole thread?
Nope. Too lazy.
post #48 of 85
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F e t t ³:
Because Terminator 2 didn't have two sequels that completely shit on the arc of its main character.
You're right. It just had one.

But getting back to Aliens...the simple fact is that Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn are probably too old to be taken seriously as extraterrestrial ass-kickers, and unless Carrie Hicks turned out to be a hottie, Newt would probably be played by some rat-looking ingeune like Kate Hudson. These characters are all twenty years older than we remember them...would you really feel any sort of emotional connection with them? Even if Cameron uses the lazy "it was all a dream" approach, could you really let go of all the baggage created by the last two films and embrace those characters again?

I couldn't. I think it would be laughable to even try. And for someone with Cameron's talents, I think bringing Ripley back AGAIN and sending her into battle with the xenomorphs AGAIN and giving Ripley and Hicks and Newt a happy ending AGAIN would simply be incredibly redundant. He's done that. We've seen that. It's time to move on.

The Alien franchise has so much possibility, so much potential for creating new worlds, new monsters, and new action spectacles. Why would anybody *want* Cameron to simply rehash a story that he completed twenty years ago? And what happens when Cameron writes a happy ending for Ripley in "Alien 5", only to have Brett Ratner fuck everything up again in "Alien 6"? Is he supposed to just keep cranking out happy endings until the franchise dies a natural death?

And aren't these fucking HORROR movies? Whoever said that horror movies have to have happy endings?
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Here's another excerpt of the interview (it also shows that Cameron is not just complimenting T3 for the sake of it):

"This isn't a man whose going to whitewash his opinion either, take for example his reaction to "Alien 3" - "Hated it. Simple as that..."
So? Who the hell cares what Cameron thought of Alien Cubed? Don't get me wrong-- I loved Aliens, but I have no interest in seeing a sequel to it. The 3rd "Alien" movie thankfully went its own way and did something interesting with the premise, and charmingly had the guts to open with the deaths of the most "likable" characters in the previous entry. Like it or not, the most sure-fire way to achieve something original is to kill off your predecessor and go your own way with his work.

Believe me-- I wish they'd stop making these bloody "Alien" sequels full stop. But if they're gonna do them, they damn well better not all end up looking like cheap imitations of Aliens, or that's 2 really good movies that are going to end up being forgotten and buried under a welter of lazy rehashes and inspiration-bereft ripoffs.
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Not much point in arguing that Aliens was the perfect closure to the series when Cameron has just said another movie is likely. Instead let's get focus back on how he successfully continues the franchise.

IMO the whole age thing doesn't matter as Cameron could easily work out something. I even think my earlier post describing the pods as malfunctioning could work, and we would have a perfect explanation to why Newt suddenly is 30 years old and Ripley in her mid-fifties!

Personally I am willing to erase both Alien 3 and 4 from my memory and would accept if Cameron simply shat on these movies and pretended they neer existed. When I first saw Alien 3 I almost left the theater when I realised they had killed off Newt and Hicks.

I simply refuse to watch an Alien 5 with Ripley being just a mutated clone, cause I felt NOTHING for her character in "Resurrection".

I would laugh uncontrollably If Alien 5 started by showing us the last moment of Alien 3 where Ripley flies through the air. And at the moment the alien bursts out of her chest she wakes up surrounded by soldiers, screaming her lungs out. That way Alien 3 is described as what it is, A HELLISH NIGHTMARE!

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