The Matrix: Solved? Link inside containing HUGE POSSIBLE SPOILERS!

Wow. Holy Jesus Christ shit wow.

I don't know if this guy is right or not, but that's a damn smart guess, and it would be one helluva twist.

Fuck... I think this guy's nailed it.

Must resist devil's temptations. Must stay pure, freee mmmmiiinnnddd.

WOAH!

Jesus. You bring the devil's candy. I will not look at the link. Must...not.

Read the revised gunslinger, yet? This is exactly like "nineteen".

Ehhhh.....I have problems with that theory, too, but I wouldn't dare discuss them for fear of possibly spoiling something for people.

oops, I meant WHOA!

Must....avoid....

Considering the focal events of the first two movies, I think it's one of the most pointless twist endings.

But maybe the Wachowskis will work something to fill in the holes because as is, it's stupid and overly reliant on you having watched The Animatrix, which a WHOLE lot of people have not done.

Read it. It's just a theory. Sounds as plausible as anything else I've read, and I want to see the movie more than ever now.

It also explains why The Matrix still exists in that Ubi Soft online game that is made with the help of the Wachowski brothers and takes place after Revolutions.

It's certainly a well-written piece.

Just making a blind post to say I was able to resist. Thank god for willpower. I plan on being just as suprised as I was with the first two.

Plant!! Plant!!! Studio Plant!!!

It's an interesting read, but it points out that no matter how revolutions twists and turns the brother's have set themselves up to deliver an ending or explanation that will undoubtedly be alienating to a lot of the viewers.

Some may find that desire to mindfuck intellectually stimulating, and perhaps I will too, but big reveals rarely work.

Wasn't the first Matrix a big reveal?

a duh duh duh duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hehehe, I was waiting for that. Let me add in a SHILL!! SHILL!! SHILL!! for good measure.

It's aninteresting theory, with quite a few holes. In he interest of not spoiling anything I'll refrain from discussing those. Not sure how much credance I would lend this though. I think Joe Moviegoer wouldn't appreciate it though and that some one with the project would have pointed that out.

Everything he theorised can't be true, but so much of it makes so much sense it's scary.

Bless all forms of intelligence.

Within the first 30 minutes. I can't think of a Agatha Christie style turnabout that made me gasp, and I've never been crazy about The Usual Suspects. The best twists (like Fight Club or Sixth Sense) come out of nowhere. If we're expecting some sort of explanation (which - I'd say - we are) and it comes at the end, a lot of people are just going to be annoyed.

woah.

--Edited because "SPOILERS" isn't enough anymore, when dealing in speculation.

Thanks for the heads up, Einstein. Was checking out the active topics thread and read your post. Brilliant move.

So Bruce Willis is really a dead robot ghost?

It could be true but I'm not buying it. I'm sure he has some parts correct but not his conclusion.
We'll see in November.

Thank you.

Studio plant or disgruntled WB'er?

Only read the first few posts, because, dammit, I made it into Reloaded without any potential spoilers, I don't want to take that chance with Revolutions, even if it is just a theory. My window for allowing myself to read theory and semi-spoiler threads has passed, but I'll be damned if that link isn't calling for me...

Actually, if you watch the first movie, right as they hit the EMP they all seem to be collapsing. Next scene shows Trinity's head rising up from Neo's shoulder. It could be concievable that she was indeed waking up.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. The coolest aspect of RELOADED, is anyone can *seem* right prior to November. Similar theories were brought up countless times.

Oh, but now he's "trying" to connect it to "Second Renaissance" eek! eek!

Big fucking deal.

He's still stretching his theory as much as any in the Matrix thread.

Whoa, its almost like some folks here are pissed and offended by this guy's Matrix rant. It was just his opinion, which he stated clearly at the end. I don't necessarily agree with him, but he definitely did his homework. Good stuff.

Bwahahahaha!

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Personally, I consider all theories about the Matrix as only speculation until I see all 3 movies. But they're all definitely interesting reads and very well-thought.

But think about THIS: maybe all these theories are being planted so we can spend long hours discussing them and never realize that WE are the ones in the Matrix?

If anything, reading all that makes me want to see Revolutions even more. No comment on whether I think any of it's true or not though.

Definitely an interesting read on someone's theory though.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's not all that complicated at all, and come November you can all expect a heart-breaking 'Boxing Helena' or 'Devil's Advocate'-style 'It Was All A Dream After All' ending.

Wouldn't THAT piss off a hell of alot of cinema-goers? hahaha

( spoiler up ahead)It all really depends on were the brothers are coming from. Is the Architect a 'evil deceiver' or a 'benevolent creator'(it is possible the Architect has a plan for Neo)? (spoiler starts)Here a point in Reload this guy over looked, and it come up 3 times in Reload. It that Trinity is put in danger 2 times, and then the Architect goes out of his way to bring this up to Neo. If the architect wanted Neo to go though the door to the source, then why did he put Trinity in danger, not once but two times, then tell Neo about it? The answer is this was just another test, and Neo was the first 'The One' to pass it. I believe that the Architect is trying to create something new. Each 'the One' is his creation, and they have all so far have failed. Each Time a 'The One' has failed he reboots the matrix, and try again with what he learn from the last one. Neo was just the first to move on to the next test, by choosing to try to save Trinity.

Meh.

I sort of understand what you're saying, yet I sort of don't. I loved Fight CLub and Sixth Sense, but don't see the difference between their respective reveals. Each changes your perception of the film you saw, altering the events and changing the viewing experience for next time.

In my humble opinion, people are just going to hate on this movie no matter what the ending is. Our popular culture has dismissed the sequel as more of the same. I'm keeping myself spoiler free for Revolutions. But if they fuck my head at the end I'll personally thank them. Long live films of thought, be they successes or failures in the minds of men!

I guess all I'm trying to say is that if an audience is expecting to have the rug pulled form under them (which they are) through an explanation, then the brother's are more likely to disappoint, especially because it will more than likely be an attempt to make the audience feel stupid for not guessing right. For me, the reveals in Fight Club and Sixth sense weren't of that heightened nature. It seems we agree.

I like when people agree. Let's have some beer and celebrate.

OK I succumbed. It is an interesting theory.

The core of the theory is very interesting. The issue about why most of the people of Zion are black is way off. It's not that there black, it's that there not all white..

Zion is made of of people who are survivors of earth, not just America. If you put the people of the WORLD together in a Cave, that's what they would look like... White, African, Aremenian, Chinese, Japanese, Austrailian, European, South American etc etc.
Throw in a couple hundred years of mating, and people will begin to look even more like they are same race.

But there seems to be more, which will lead to a reveal that may show what this link suggests or the second theory from the link. If it pulls a "It was all a dream" or "This is all a chess game" type of switch out, unless it totally was telegraphed form page one, people are going to be annoyed. With the two options listed above, I think people will be mad.

In terms of filmmaking, I think it's always dangerous to tell an audience that you think you're smarter than they are. This is why Hitchcock was the master of this type of stuff, he understood to best pull those kinds of tricks.

The 6th Sense and Fight Club reveals came when we weren't expecting them. Those movies would've still worked without the twists but all of a sudden there we go.

If there's one more twist in Revolutions, it'll probably come when we're not expecting it. We're expecting a twist at the end.

If Neo dies have way through or something, that would be unexpected.

If that detailed fan theory happens to be true, I think it would be far more shocking if it were revealed sometime in the first half of Revolutions and that not being the end of the story.

The 6th Sense twist ended the story. The Fight Club twist was great, but the story still continued on.

I hope whatever the twist (if there is one) will be in revolutions, that it doesn't end the movie. That it just becomes another obstacle for him.

On the other hand, how subversive would it be if Revolutions had no twist and reached its logical conclusion.

The humans get freed and wake up in their own vats amniotic fluid. They don't know what's going on and scream and cry, pulling those cables out of their bodies. The stress is unbearable. They look over the edge and see thousands of other people waking up in their pods.

Interesting theory. He drags it out for too long though, stretching to find symbolism in every last explosion and hiccup.

I think it's possible on the surface humans control the machines, and the machines in turn enslave the other humans (or robots, perhaps) underground.

David Poland theorized Neo will break through to the surface and find the Engineer. And the Engineer would look a helluva lot like Neo. If Neo is a robot, it would make sense "God" (the Engineer) created him in his own image.

It's an interesting theory and a nice 10 minute time waster; but every little time he pats himself on the back with some idiotic(side note about how we missed a point or him knowing this before Reloaded) it just puts the image in my mind of him sitting next to a full length mirror-dick in hand, blowing kisses.

Interesting theory, but I wouldn't take it too seriously. The guy seems more interested in reminding us how "clever" he was to figure these things out even though none of it has been proven correct. And this theory has just a few, MINOR holes.

***"SPOILERS" from the theory to follow, in case anyone gets upset***

For isntance, why exactly would humans NEED to create an artificial world for the machines to "live" in? If they won the war surely they'd simply reprogram the machines and force them to be docile. And even if they couldn't do that and had to keep them in the Matrix, why would they let the machines think they were human - why not let them believe they are the machines? The writer points out that the machines are painted in a positive light within the Matrix and are led to believe that the machines won - yet within the Matrix the machines believe they are human, so they would not really see it as a victory for themselves but as a defeat. And also, what good is it keeping these machines tied into the Matrix - how can they possibly be useful in that state?

Are we to really believe that Neo et al are friggin ROBOTS? Why would humans want these robots running around anyway? Why not wipe out the defective ones? I mean, even if the system crashes, since they're just machines, crops won't be "lost" - they can just reboot them again. So there's no need for this whole "reinserting the one into the Source" nonsense.

Please tell me if I missed something in the article which explains these holes - it's an interesting theory, but I just don't see it happening.

NOT REALLY SPOILERS, BUT...
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I think it makes much more sense for the machines to be fascinated by their creators and keep them alive, than for the humans to keep the machines operational and in a dreamworld, instead of dismantling them.

Just a theory. And not a very good one.
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