Drug Conversation II

Good one Nick. Hear Hear.


-KRONOS

[This message has been edited by kronos (edited 07-08-2000).]

I personally would not smoke dope. But then, I wouldn't smoke a cig either... That said, I would go along with the idea of legalization of dope, it works in England. And before you ask, Yes I know for a fact. I have spent quite alot of time in England. I was born there. Hell, there are a few people I think need a joint every once in a while, maybe they would loosen up for once in their miserable lives.

Just when we thought we were free...

And yet my roommate spoke with great glee of convincing straight guys to give it a try.



[This message has been edited by Hot Animal Machine (edited 07-09-2000).]

The point I was trying to make is that-when you say people have no frame of reference-sometimes you don't need one. You don't need to have anal sex to know that, as a heterosexual male, you won't like it.

And you don't need to get high to see what it does to people.

There is this argument that drugs bring enlightenment and creativity-but have you ever seen someone hit the pipe and get belligerent? And you know he's never acted like that before, but now he's acting like an in-your-face asshole?

Ever see a seemingly normal person get fucked up and start throwing the word "******" around in polite company?

I will take that motherfucker down.

You can watch the change take place, if you're there at the right time.

I know I'm not going to say something racist or gross because I don't feel it inside and try to hide it away, but the fact of the matter is, by my very nature...I procrastinate.

Drugs would make me lazy.

I have a mean streak.

Drugs would make me hostile.

I have been described as a violent person.

Drugs would make me homicidal.

Then again, people say I'm funny.

Drugs would make me not funny.

People say I'm crazy.

Drugs would make me insane.

People say they consume drugs and alcohol to lower their inhibitions.

If my inhibitions were any lower, every sewer chewer gets a LAPDANCE!

At the end of the day, I do and say exactly what I think and feel, with few filters.

I don't need the drugs to open my mind or lower my inhibitions-because I've done all of that myself.

I am no more or less special than any person here-except Video God-I KNOW that guy is cooler than me.

If I can do it without the drugs as a crutch or an excuse-ANYONE ELSE CAN.

Through all of the slagging, the jabs, and the anger-it really is about keeping everyone safe and alive-but most of all-AWAKE AND AWARE-because that's the only way we'll ever survive-let alone prosper.


[This message has been edited by Hot Animal Machine (edited 07-09-2000).]

Thank you, Sabonis.

Lemme' tell you-I have been posting here since January. The people that know what I post know that I can be harsh, cruel, and insulting when I'm up against it-particularly when this discussion happens-and it HAS actually happened before.

Fact is-I don't know any of you, really. But without getting too personal, let's just say that I'm not where I want to be where my life is concerned. I feel I am an average guy. I need every brain cell I have. That said-there are people out there that are smarter and stronger than me ruining themselves with drugs. They blow opportunities I'll never have. That is where much of the hatred comes from.

I want to make movies. I want it to be my life. I think I would be good at it. And I see people-writers, directors, actors, producers (Jerry Bruckheimer had a partner once)-that have what I want-fucking it up with unecessary habits and excesses...

I would kill to be where they are-and THEY are killing themselves.

I come here, and I read almost everything everyone writes. And people that come here casually notice what I know through being here for months-what is said on these boards is smarter, sharper and funnier than anybody's doing anywhere else.

That means that there are bright people here-even the ones that are occasionally wasted are more astute than the purveyors of lame blather that passes for debate and discussion elsewhere on the web.

You sacrifice your full potential when you're stoned. There is a slowdown, a slurring. To me-everyone MUST meet their full potential.

Okay-there are flathead losers with IQ's of around 43 that are bigoted, sexist, unitelligent-I see one of them getting high-I don't care. That guy-he has nothing to contribute to this world-except maybe barefoot todders with Kool-Aid stains on their T-shirts and loaded diapers and tetanus.

And that congealed snot-bridge that runs from the nostrils to the upper lip? You've seen this kid. You've seen his parents. They are losers. I don't lament this guy being a drunken hophead. He raises a little hell, slaps his "bitch" around, has a confederate flag tattooed somewhere on his person and eventually goes away. If this guy packs the pipe and drops out-it doesn't matter.

But the smart ones? The talented ones? We need 'em. And we need them focused at all times-we need them safe. That's what I want.

If you are not focused at all times-someone will take what you deserve from you without hesitation. They will take you out.

Let's see if I can tighten it up here for you-alot of people that come off as very sharp on these boards admit to doing something that dulls and hurts them in the long run. That pisses me off-because when all is said and done-you deserve better than that.

You shouldn't deprive yourself of your mind-not for one second. Because in that one second-someone could take you out-take you and everything you have to offer away from the world.

We need to stay frosty, kids. I get mad when I find out that good people compromise themselves.

Don't compromise yourselves.

HAM, I want to say that I am with you on that last reply 110%. Excellent response. Don't change that frame of mind mister.

Oh...and by the way, what's wrong with owning a gun, NICHOLAS?

Careful with the answer there, chief.

(pssst, he's got a gun!)

Ahh, on this I completely agree. It's all about some degree of responsibility.

I go shooting and never get hurt. My guns never ride shotgun-they are legally stored. I have no criminal record, do not carry guns outside of my home or a range, and have never so much as jokingly pointed a real weapon, loaded or unloaded at any living thing.

And somehow there is a predjudice that exist in this country that makes me a bad guy for owning a gun.

If you put a gun on a table-it would sit 'til doomsday-harming no one-it would not rise magically from the table and begin firing (unless a hollow Kevin Bacon were manipulating it).

Your first post seemed kinda' anti. Just wanted you to flesh out your opinion a todd (inside joke that doesn't merit explaining).

HAM is still a jerk off

Comparing gay sex to smoking pot???!?!?
What the hell planet are you from, That arguement made No sense WHATSOEVER.....
But as we all agree, this arguement is pointless, Y'all do what you want,Lord knows i will!
Seeing Brazil, stoned , on the big screen, this last Sat. ruled!

we do it all for you NICK!

but since it IS POINTLESS, I am done on this thread

On to the MOVIES!

I applaud what HAM is saying, but it's wasted typing.....for a pot smoker to want to change his ways, he'd have to admit that there is something inherently bad and unhealthy about it. No one here has done that, so this is practically pointless.....

[This message has been edited by mikah912 (edited 07-10-2000).]

Hugs not drugs.

Regular hugs, not extended, there's-more-to-it hugs.

And yes, on with the shows.

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Soon to BE a CHUD topic.

Oh well, Nick-what would you rather have-talk about all sorts of wide-ranging topics between people really trying to get to know one another, or "FUK U STAR WARS FANBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Sometimes I don't think you realize what you have before you. I love your site, Nick. I can honestly say that it has been harder to write for Fetal since I only visit Chud and Fetal. I don't look elsewhere for news anymore-I get it HERE.

So now I'm getting the shit back together, but...

What I'm trying to say is, aside from a 16 year-old passive-aggressive racist, and a guy so full of bong-load that after someone literally puts it all on the line, he can only come back with "jerk-off", the people here-the comraderie here-is unprecedented.

That is something to cherish. Some of the people here make the day better.

That said-Black Crowe, thanks for your above comment-you have proved to me that I OWN you. Sorry you can't follow the logic-but hey-try moderation. Like not killing so many brain cells at one sitting.

I'll try it one more time-and I'll use small words for you. I'll put on a little puppet show-

Right hand, index finger-BlackCrowe.

Left hand, middle finger (the KING of comedy, I am)-Hot Animal Machine.

Machine-"Hey there Crow T. Robot-what's up?"

BlackCrowe-"...LET ME LIGHT YOUR CANDLE 'CAUSE MAMA IM SURE HARD TO HANDLE NOW TE-huuuhh?"

Machine-"What's up?"

BlackCrowe-"Doood, maan-you're a jerk-off."

Machine-"Well, there, Crowe-didn't know you cared-what's the problem?"

BlackCrowe-"Maaan, you made an anlyo- an anyli- analig-you compared two things and I don't get it-so you're a jerk-off, dooooooood! And you used words that had more tha two sylla- cilliba- sill-word parts in 'em! What the fuuuck is that about, doood?"

Machine-"I'll answer your question with another-are you remotely interested in getting fucked in the ass?"

BlackCroweee-"No way, doood!"

Machine-"Well, jeepers, Crowe-praytell why not?"

BlackCrowe-"'Cause, like, it would hurt an' shit."

Machine-"But how do you know if you haven't tried? You have no frame of reference."

BlackeCrowee-"Dood, you ever like, take a big dump and it hurts your ass? Well, imagine how much it'd suck goin' IN? You'd destroy your ass!"

Machine-"Oh-so now you see why I don't need drugs."

BlackCroa-"Uh, doodman-I'm baked and clogged right now, so you gots to explain your shit."

Machine-"Okay, you don't need a pee-pee in your butt to know that it would hurt your butt, right?"

BlackCrowe-"hehhehehehehheheheh-you said pee-peeeee...doooood..."

Machine-"Just follow me, hondo."

BlackCow-"Yeah dood, I don't want a pee-pee....in my poo-poo! Hehhh..."

Machine-"Well, by that rationale, I don't need drugs in my brain to know that they will hurt my brain-got me?"

BlackCrowwee-"OHHHH!


Uh, whaddya' mean?"

Machine-(sigh)"Dude, your cat just tipped your bong over. Later."

"BlackCrowe-"AWWWW SHIT!"

THE END

So what did we learn today?

Nothing, I guess-except that BlackCrowe's carpet probably smells really bad.

HAM...never have you been more literate or accessible than on this topic.

Here is my only complaint with CHUD right now, and with this thread in particular: HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SIMPLE FUCKING ANAL-OGY THAT HAM MADE BETWEEN GAY SEX AND DRUGS?!

Understanding what he was saying IS NOT the same as agreeing that he had a good point, but NON-COMPRE-FUCKING-HENSION OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS LUNACY!!!

It wasn't even a VEILED metaphor!!!

I am struck with incredulity. I mean really.

I like y'all, and I certainly don't want to make any enemies on CHUD, and I DO realize that this is a touchy subject for y'all (which is ALSO wierd...I mean, come on, you use drugs to ENJOY life...what's up with the violence here?...) but really, let me spell it out for you:

HAM:I do not want to do drugs

Everyone else (in chorus): You don't know until you try so shut up!

HAM:Let me fuck you in the ass

Everyone else (in chorus): *Gasp in horror*

HAM:Well, you don't know until you try...

Everyone else (in chorus): What? I don't get it...

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Moral of the above play: AN AVERSION IS VALID NO MATTER WHAT ITS BASIS IS!!! DRUGS, ASS-FUCKING, EATING THE FLESH OF A MONKEY!!!

On most topics there are only two choices: Aversion or attraction, and both are gut based. You either like something or you don't, and you usually know before hand whether you will like it or not, doing it just proves it out.

Y'all seem to have an aversion to being fucked in the ass, HAM has an aversion to drugs. To you, being fucked in the ass would be a humiliating, degrading, and messy experience (well, not all of you. There may be some of you out there who that's your thing, and HETERO sex would be the negative experience. Of course, if that's the case, I expect you to be intelligent enough to follow this) and you don't even have to go through it to know that to be true. For HAM, drug use would be a humiliating, degrading, and messy experience, and LIKEWISE, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT TO KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!!!

You see? You saw gay porn and almost burned your eyes out. He saw 'Dazed and Confused' and almost burned his eyes out.

Now, do you wanna keep advocating that HAM doesn't know what he's talking about? 'Cause if so, his roommmate and I'll come over and double-team ya.

Get it yet?

Shit, here at the beginning I was advocating to each his own, now I'm thinking that maybe drugs DO more harm than I originally thought.

Criminy.

Duh. I understand what you are saying, but get this: Drugs and gay sex are two things that people SWEAR by. They are LIFESTYLE choices, affecting ACTIVITY, CIRCLE OF FRIENDS, RELATIONSHIP TO FAMILY, PHYSICAL STIMULUS, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, and, respectively, your LUNGS or your ASS.

Olives on your PIZZA is NOT a lifestyle choice.

Do you get it yet?

Do you?


Tell me God that you do...

I don't get it.

I've heard that Nick is "this close" to placing an IQ test at the CHUD-login screen...

He'll be doing that as soon as he can get his bong out of his ***.

So, Nick -- since there is a bong, there has to (ipso facto) be an "I love Jan DeBont" bumper sticker! HAHA! Gotcha!

NICK LOVES SPEED! NICK LOVES SPEED!

Jeezy-Creesy....
Ham, I UNDERSTOOD your example, but YES, it made NO SENSE.

You cannot compare trying anal sex to smoking a joint.

Lets just compare fucking a dead dog through its now hollow eye socket, and not liking pickles on your hamburger.....

cant you see how good of an analogy that is??

How do you know you dont wanna brain fuck the dog? Have you tried it?
trying the pickels is an entirely different thing.

I have YET to figure out why Ham and his gay roomie think this is a brilliant theory....
.....Clean that self rightousness outta your brain and ears, and try again!
I didnt see any reason to point out the sexual orientation is another thing in detail, because other posters already did...

I am reminded of the Monty Python "twit races"
As for my drug use, which you think you know so much about....I already stated that I smoke pot maybe about 2x a month.....So you can drop the whole little puppet show. Twit.

BTW, do a little research there HAM.

COFFEE is WORSE for your body than Pot.

But No its so much easier to say " I knew a moron who destroyed his life on drugs, so no one do drugs, they are baddddd!"

FINAL THOUGHTs.

It seems that no matter what , this will only end up a Smartass Contest.

Those who enjoy weed have not and will not change their minds due to any insiteful messages here.

AND
Those who dont like weed /never tried.....well they arent going to go do it because some smokers online said they do it.

So, the FACT remains.....If you do good, if you dont good.
No one is any better for smoking or not smoking, we all have our OWN lives to run, so do or dont do whatever you need to do.
My smoking a little weed doesnt hurt you, And your Abstaining doesnt hurt me.....
that is all, we know everyones views, those views wont change based on CHUD discussions, so just let it go.

Saying that gay sex is a predisposition is still in dispute. There are many gays who will proudly tell them that they CHOOSE it, because it is what felt right.

A lot of pot-smokers don't drink, because they prefer pot. The CHOOSE to smoke pot. Could they drink? Sure. Could they slam (shoot) meth? Sure. But they CHOOSE to smoke pot because it was what felt right to them as far as their recreational drug use is concerned.

CRIMINY!!

Maybe you're all just reading me wrong here. I am MISTER TOLERANCE. Get it? Smoke pot. Have anal sex. Whatever. Just DO NOT HARM ONE ANOTHER!!! You may harm yourselves, and while that is regrettable, it is also unavoidable. We all do damage to ourselves, some of it more headlong and willing than it would be in a perfect world.

I am NOT arguing this whole drug question!!! The bottom line point that I am arguing is that HAM has a VERY OBVIOUS and also VERY VALID point as to why he can choose to view drugs as detrimental WITHOUT DOING THEM!!!

All I want from you pro-drug guys is A VALID, WELL-THOUGHT-OUT RESPONSE!!!

I mean, hell, I've ALREADY seen four ways to still disagree with him while recognizing his post as valid, and yet I hear nothing from the CHUD peanut gallery!

You know what your response should be? "Good for you! It's good to see someone avoid something that so many see as a boon to them because his internal mechanisms tell him that it wouldn't do him the same good it does us! If only we could all, at all times, have that kind of foresight, ah, the life we would lead!"

Or at least "Good! Fucking MORE FOR US!"

Any sentiment other than finding a flaw in his own methods of restraint and self-judgement would be FAR more easy to defend and ALSO far more easy to respect!

Look, nothin' but love for the CHUDders out there, but you can use drugs and anyone can enjoy anal sex, and WE CAN STILL ALL GET ALONG!

This isn't some wimpy-ass cry for peace on the boards, it's simply a man objectively pointing out the lack of NEED for any strife.

See? Easy as pie. We're all (most of us) good guys here. Its not that this discussion has gotten out of hand, per se, it's the level to which everyone is going to defend their point.


Be cool. Are we cool? Just be cool.

Oh, and devilf...I got "pulled over", if that is what it can be called, by a fucking cop the other day for Jaywalking.

He asked me why I did it, (at 6:30 am on a Sunday morning with no traffic) and I told him I did it to get across the street.

He said that there were crosswalks for that, pointing about 200 yards down the street.

I asked him if he didn't have anything better to do, and he asked me if I were giving him shit, and how old was I.

I must've looked like a punkass kid (T-Shirt, mussed hair, just woken up) and I told him 25 (this officer looked about 22 or 23).

He was kind of taken aback by that, then told me I should be more careful and sped off.

I was wearing my CHUD T-shirt.


Fucking cops.

OK, let's put aside the "Whether or not, drugs are good or bad for you" argument. Let's even put aside the legality argument. Let's put aside the addiction argument. Ignore all of that.

Just think what happens when you buy ONE BAG OF WEED.

Let's say that every weed smoker has a benevolent friendly dealer who they know personally, and only sells to responsible addic....errr, users. (even though we know it's not true, I'll stick to an ideal situation). Now, you give him your $100 for a nice bag of seedless, Mexican gold. He takes that and buys more from HIS supplier, who UNDOUBTEDLY and INARGUABLY sells to a variety of dealers. Also INARGUABLE is the fact that some of these dealers sell other things than weed. Now, these other dealers thrive within an enterprise that you are helping to patronize and keep alive. An illegal enterprise at that. The dealers have to make more money than responsible people like yourself can provide, so they have to move on the lowest-income neighborhoods where people are BEGGING to escape from the misery of their lives next. Did I mention the violence they incur and bring? The people that addicts rob because they need money for one more hit? The people killed in drug-related shootouts? The police officers who get gunned down trying to stop it?

OK, well YOU are partly responsible for all of that. Every death....all the misery. You played a hand in it. That's right. While you PERSONALLY are responsible and don't hurt anyone with your usage, your money funds people who THRIVE on doing just those things. Ever see a crack baby and think "What assholes the parents must be to allow that to happen!"? Well, their dealer feeds from the same trough yours does. All those women who illegally cross the border with dime bags stuffed up their nether regions, and who get locked away and gunned down all the time? They're doing it for you. All those cops who die everyday to stop dealers from overrunning streets and invading schools? Well, they can't win because you help sustain the demand for dealers, so another will always pop up to make sure that you don't have to go without your precious ganja. That dealer who will approach my future child and endanger his continued existence by daring to offer my son drugs? You help fund him. It ALL STARTS WITH YOU.

And please don't try to shift blame elsewhere. Every pot "defense" on this thread is an attempt to point out hypocrisy because someone else drinks or has jaywalked or broken the law or whatever. So WHAT. I'm talking about you and the misery YOU help to create. How about being responsible for that? How about thinking that perhaps the hour of two of enjoyment you get from buying illegal weed isn't worth helping the drug war to elevate and suck more lives in? How about thinking about how you would feel if it was YOUR kid or brother or whoever that gunned down or robbed in a drug-related incident? What if YOU were on the business end of the what you helped to create? It's not about self control, but it is about giving a damn about someone other than yourself.

Mikah, Misery being created is and will always be happening all around you....From Governments....to NIKE.....to scientific research. You cannot make that arguement stick....
and 2 things. Mexican weed sucks."mexican weed" is never seedless.
and you are trying to start the same argument you posted a long time ago......REHASH.

Cant we acknowledge and move on.

And the weed I BUY comes from a buddy i know who grows hydro, and he has some growing in the ozark Mountains. So, BLAMMMM! hole in your drug cartel theory....NOW maybe if we were talking REAL drugs, ie, cocaine, Heroin..then you could have a VERY valid point.

Pssst. Hey, Mikah...over here!

Want some weed?

and drug addicts robbing folks for ONE MORE HIT....that aint WEED smokers, get the FACTS
Marijuana is NOT Physically Addictive....no withdrawl , nada.

Again, Micah I see and understand your thoughts, but those ideas dont go with pot.

BlackCrowe......

Nobody said anything about cartels. Your friend may grow weed, and he may have some in America, but do you really think that he grows all the weed he sells? In the Ozarks? Grow up. If he is a drug dealer of any repute, it is near impossible for him to maintain a decent supply by growing only his own weed. BTW, I have a bandmate who does weed, and he most assuredly claims the "mexican" weed he buys is practically seedless.

My argument "sticks" because you willingly do a harmful activity that benefits no one but you, and hurts several people. Your friend is a part of the drug effort the DEA is trying to stop, and the fact that he is a domestic dealer only means that now we have to spend even more tax money to catch people like him. Thanks a bunch.

Also, your weed is not addictive? Please. No study has conclusively proven weed is or isn't addictive. Carl and I work with a guy who used to get baked constantly. He is quite sure addiction had something to do with it.

As for the robbers....sigh. You act as if all weed smokers only do weed, idjit. Again, wake up.


[This message has been edited by mikah912 (edited 07-10-2000).]

Man, I don't mean to get on your back about it, but you should have left this thread closed!


(grendel: sower of dissent, breeder of self-doubt)
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Hey, I'm in Amsterdam right now, and I still hate drugs.

Oh, and by the way, I've been talking to people here in Holland, and marijana useage isn't as much as you'd think it was. I personally think that's it's a better idea to legalize weed that way it can be regulated better, and drug dealers won't make money.

But hey, what do I know?