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Are people gonna pay G5 prices for a free bundled video editing program?

The question to be asked here is why - if you care the least bit about a capable program to do video editing well - would you use ANY OS-bundled apps?

I COULD listen to my MP3s and organize them with Media Player, but it's worth it to buy a full version of MusicMatch Jukebox.

I COULD write every document I needed with Notepad, but it's worth it to get a dedicated copy of Microsoft Word.

I don't get why people tout what comes in an OS as being proof of superiority. I wouldn't use any of that stuff whether it was XP or OS X or any OS, for that matter.

Word is basically part of all Windows computers now. I don't think that you can buy a brand name PC wiothout getting it (that or Works which is little different). It's not part of the OS but I don't think IMovie is part of the OS either. It just comes bundled.

Nope. They're gonna buy it because most importantly, they prefer Macs. The whys on that will be different from person to person.

Oh, and here's a detailed comparison of the latest versions of both programs that says that you couldn't be more wrong:

<a href="http://videobuyersguide.com/software/iMovie_vs_MovieMaker.html" target="_blank">http://videobuyersguide.com/software/iMovie_vs_MovieMaker.html</a>

Is it just a coincidence that proffesional video editors use Macs almost across the board? What about those in the music industry?

Yes, macs are expensive, and they're not for the indvidual who's #1 use for their computer is gaming, but they are clearly the better machine when it comes to audio/video.

That's because of corporate deals with those manufacturers. The majority of PCs are no-name ones and they don't "come with" anything. Windows has Notepad and that's it.

As for people preferring Macs, that's good for them. I prefer not throwing away THOUSANDS of dollars for something I could get for less.

It's not a situation where people pay an extra 100 grand on a sports car over a Nissan 350Z. That's not just prestige, but those two cars do fundamentally different things.

Apple runs the SAME applications, communicates on the SAME internet, uses the SAME interfaces, but is not compatible with PCs and happen to be a lot more expensive. The stability card has been debunked with both Windows 2000 and Windows XP. The audio/video chip eroded away when those companies realized they needed to go where the market share was to survive.

If I had money to burn...THEN I might think about getting a Mac as well as having a PC, just to have all of the angles covered.

But otherwise, you're just wasting money. I can't think of a single thing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on PC for a lot less. If you think of something, let me know.

Just as PCs have massive market share fom decades of offering superior product to the public, Mac has massive market share from years of offering the superior A/V product to people in those industries.

But that's all changing. PLENTY of artists use PCs for recording now. Cakewalk's PC-exclusive SONAR is one of the hottest recording programs out there, and people from RZA to Coal Chamber to George Clinton use it for everything they do.

As for the video thing...those professionals work for companies that have acquired years of equipment. There's no reason for them to switch away from Macs if they've already bought them, are familiar with them, and PCs offer the SAME product.

But if they're just starting out, PCs make a lot more sense because you get a much better computer and software for less. neither machine is better for audio or video because they pretty much run the same software (e.g. Adobe, Pro Tools), but PCs are a much better value financially.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Micah Robinson:
<strong>That's because of corporate deals with those manufacturers. The majority of PCs are no-name ones and they don't "come with" anything. Windows has Notepad and that's it.</strong>

Having worked in PC Support, doing work on PC's at peoples, homes adn selling computers for the last seven years I would have to disagree with your statement. I can't be certain that the majority of PC are no name machines. And most people that I know that make no-name boxes at least bundle Works in because that's dirt cheap. IMovie comes with Macs not because it is part of the OS but because Apple decided to include it with all PC's.

<strong>As for people preferring Macs, that's good for them. I prefer not throwing away THOUSANDS of dollars for something I could get for less.</strong>

It's not throwing away thousands (really only about a thousand) if they percieve added value.

<strong>It's not a situation where people pay an extra 100 grand on a sports car over a Nissan 350Z. That's not just prestige, but those two cars do fundamentally different things.</strong>

Nope.

<strong>Apple runs the SAME applications,</strong>

Not really.

<strong>communicates on the SAME internet,</strong>

Yup.

<strong>uses the SAME interfaces,</strong>

Most PC's I know of don't come with FireWire

<strong>The stability card has been debunked with both Windows 2000 and Windows XP.</strong>

Ummmm hah.

<strong>The audio/video chip eroded away when those companies realized they needed to go where the market share was to survive.</strong>

I;m not an expert so I couldn't say. All I know is that Macs are still holding strong in the movie, ga, and music world.

<strong>If I had money to burn...THEN I might think about getting a Mac as well as having a PC, just to have all of the angles covered.
But otherwise, you're just wasting money. I can't think of a single thing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on PC for a lot less. If you think of something, let me know.</strong>

They're both just computers. Different architectures but both computers. So of course you can do the same things on both. This is still a subjective matter.

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I've done all of that, too, except sell computers, and I've seen a fundamentally different buying public. I hate to go on merely anecdotal evidence, but Altalnat is overrun with no-name shops, and they move more computers than any mass retailer on a day-to-day basis.

As for I-Movie...it's just semantics. It's not part of the OS, but it is bundled software that's not professional quality, same as MovieMaker. Equal quality programs that do the same thing.

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I think that perception is illusory if they do the same things. And so does the vast majority of people on this planet, including people in the A/V fields.

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True, but it's now becoming a more standard feature on motherboards and other devices like Createive Labs' popular Audigy soundcard have it onboard, so.....

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With their years of market share, they should, but now people are finally waking up on the money that they're wasting. Apple's market share is shrinking even now.

This is the first I've heard of the two founders fusing into a single entity.

I work in a building on a team that supports 1000 machines running Windows 2000. I can't remember the last time we had an issue with the OS. Windows 2000 runs very tight. We have 3 Macs, and one Mac server that has crashed twice in the last year, and when a Mac OS crashes... it's fucked. At least when a MS OS crashes it's rather easy to recover.

Previous incarnations of Windows such as 95, 98, and the god-aweful Me, gave MS a bad rep in the OS department, but remember, those operating systems brought about so many different innovations. Windows was known to crash more often based on the massive amounts of hardware the system could run. If Mac would stop being so stubborn and allow more companies to design peripherals, you'd see a similiar pattern in their OSs.

How many running Win2k and XP have had serious fuck ups? I haven't had one on a PC I've had for 2 years running 2K.