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post #51 of 71
5/7/03 at 7:27pm
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Scott Roche:
How is the Rocketeer (a great flick btw) a superhero movie?
A defined superhero to me is someone who possesses extraordinary gifts (or exceptional natural ability, like Batman), who fights the good fight (truth, justice, the American Way, or even good old fashioned justified vengeance), in an otherwise very common world.

Basically...the Rocketeer is the only flying Nazi-beater in 1930s L.A. That's what makes him a superhero.

So he's not naturally "super", and has to use a device. So does Green Lantern, Iron Man, etc.
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post #52 of 71
5/8/03 at 10:23am
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Scott Roche:
How is the Rocketeer (a great flick btw) a superhero movie?
<img src="http://www.boomspeed.com/katanga/rocketeer.jpg" alt="" />

How is it not?
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post #53 of 71
5/8/03 at 11:51am
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Stew:
Didn't he seem like a superhero? He had the costume, the secret identity, the saving people using "superpowers". The big villain, the big scheme, etc. Plus he was based on superhero-style comic strip I believe.
Then Zorro is a superhero cause the only "superpowers" he had was a jetpack.
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post #54 of 71
5/8/03 at 11:54am
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eric Binford eats a Northstar Salad:
<strong>Originally posted by Scott Roche:
A defined superhero to me is someone who possesses extraordinary gifts (or exceptional natural ability, like Batman), who fights the good fight (truth, justice, the American Way, or even good old fashioned justified vengeance), in an otherwise very common world.</strong>

But his gift of piloting wasn't particularly extraordinary was it?

<strong>Basically...the Rocketeer is the only flying Nazi-beater in 1930s L.A. That's what makes him a superhero.

So he's not naturally "super", and has to use a device. So does Green Lantern, Iron Man, etc.</strong>

But their devices enabled them to do truly extraordinary things. And IM had a LOT more going on than the suit. He was an inventor par excellence.
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post #55 of 71
5/8/03 at 11:54am
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Katanga:
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Scott Roche:
How is the Rocketeer (a great flick btw) a superhero movie?
<img src="http://www.boomspeed.com/katanga/rocketeer.jpg" alt="" />

How is it not?
Ahh so the dramatic pose is the key. wink
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post #56 of 71
5/8/03 at 1:46pm
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Scott Roche:
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Stew:
Didn't he seem like a superhero? He had the costume, the secret identity, the saving people using "superpowers". The big villain, the big scheme, etc. Plus he was based on superhero-style comic strip I believe.
Then Zorro is a superhero cause the only "superpowers" he had was a jetpack.
I definitely think Zorro is a superhero. You don't need superpowers to be a superhero. Just look at Batman, and I don't think anyone could really argue that he's not a superhero.
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post #57 of 71
5/8/03 at 1:53pm
But Batman is the "World's Greatest Detective". His mind alone not to mention his atheletic prowess make him super. OK so Zorro may be a "superhero", but I still don't get how a pretty un-spectacular man who gets a nifty rocket pack and suit turns him into a superhero. (BTW I am loving this cool and uber-geeky discussion. Keep it coming.)
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post #58 of 71
5/8/03 at 3:22pm
super hero=someone with exceptional abilities who assumes an alternate identity to do acts of heroism. Note, I didn't sya the identity had to be secret.

My List:

1. Spider-Man
2. Superman
3. Batman
4. Batman Returns
5. Darkman
6. Superman 2
7. Unbreakable
8. X men 2
9. X Men
10. Iron Monkey
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post #59 of 71
5/8/03 at 4:57pm
Thread Starter 
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Scott Roche:
But Batman is the "World's Greatest Detective". His mind alone not to mention his atheletic prowess make him super. OK so Zorro may be a "superhero", but I still don't get how a pretty un-spectacular man who gets a nifty rocket pack and suit turns him into a superhero. (BTW I am loving this cool and uber-geeky discussion. Keep it coming.)
If being an un-spectacular man keeps you from being a superhero, then you can take away virtually all of them. Peter Parker and the rest were average people who then inherited some sort of gift. Whether that gift is a superpower (Spider-Man) or a supergadget (Rocketeer), the point of superheroes is what they do with this new power. The good ones are transformed into spectacular people because their decent values are only accentuated. They rise to the challenge. Supervillains are the ones who use their enhanced powers or gadget to do harm, it accentuates their evil/destructive values.

The Rocketeer was an average guy, but with the rocket pack he not only became more skilled, he became more brave and heroic. He rose to the challenge and used his new skills for good. That is a superhero.
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post #60 of 71
5/8/03 at 11:05pm
The Crow Galvin? Color me surprised.

Rocketeer is defintely a super hero as is Neo.
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post #61 of 71
5/9/03 at 12:10am
I see the Rocketeer as just as much a superhero as Neo, definitely.

Neo is indeed the "chose one" and can do some pretty fucked up shit when he's jacked in, but in the real world, what has Mr. Anderson done but sit in a recliner, or eat gulash on the Nebuchanezzar?

With the exception of Batman and a few others, every hero is somehow augmented with something. Neo needs to be jacked in, Superman needs to be under the yellow sun of the Earth, the Lantern needs his ring.

And its also a point to say that the events of The Rocketeer take place over about 2 days. If only we would've gotten some sequels, we could've seen some serious heroics.
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post #62 of 71
5/9/03 at 12:18am
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Stew:
If being an un-spectacular man keeps you from being a superhero, then you can take away virtually all of them. Peter Parker and the rest were average people who then inherited some sort of gift. Whether that gift is a superpower (Spider-Man) or a supergadget (Rocketeer), the point of superheroes is what they do with this new power. The good ones are transformed into spectacular people because their decent values are only accentuated. They rise to the challenge. Supervillains are the ones who use their enhanced powers or gadget to do harm, it accentuates their evil/destructive values.

The Rocketeer was an average guy, but with the rocket pack he not only became more skilled, he became more brave and heroic. He rose to the challenge and used his new skills for good. That is a superhero.
I'm not doubting the Rocketeer's heroism. When I think of a superhero I think of a hero who is in some way better/stronger/smarter/more powerful than the majority of humanity if not than any other human. A gadget can give them this power certainly. I just don't see a jetpack (and only a jetpack) turning an average joe into a superhero. The character was either already a hero or had heroic potential. But a superhero? Not in my opinion.
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post #63 of 71
5/22/03 at 2:15am
This might be slightly off topic but not really worth another thread...but I was paging through Maxim magazine and came across a "25 Lamest
Superheroes" list. It's kind of a funny read.

They ranked Superman as #10 Lamest. "Why he's so lame: He's a cornfed, holier-than-thou Boy Scout with a lame disguise. C'mon!"

Not being a huge Superman fan, I got a giggle out of that.
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post #64 of 71
5/22/03 at 2:17am
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Eric Binford eats a Northstar Salad:
but in the real world, what has Mr. Anderson done but sit in a recliner, or eat gulash on the Nebuchanezzar?
Spoiler?

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That is definately debatable after Reloaded.
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post #65 of 71
5/22/03 at 12:57pm
Thread Starter 
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Glitch:
This might be slightly off topic but not really worth another thread...but I was paging through Maxim magazine and came across a "25 Lamest
Superheroes" list. It's kind of a funny read.

They ranked Superman as #10 Lamest. "Why he's so lame: He's a cornfed, holier-than-thou Boy Scout with a lame disguise. C'mon!"

Not being a huge Superman fan, I got a giggle out of that.
Yeah, but with this sort of logic almost every superhero can be considered lame. Every comic book requires a certain suspension of disbelief, and if you can't get it, why bother reading? Besides, I think Maxim magazine may be one of the least suited publications for debating the merits of various superheroes.
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post #66 of 71
5/22/03 at 5:48pm
Only one truly great superhero exists: Pootie Tang!

Sepatown!
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post #67 of 71
5/22/03 at 8:16pm
Maybe you're missing the point, Stew. Maxim is a popular men's magazine that put the single most recognized superhero on a "Lamest" list. I dug the audacity. The End.
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post #68 of 71
5/22/03 at 8:36pm
Superman has always been my least favorite superhero. He is extremely bland, and uninteresting.
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post #69 of 71
5/24/03 at 7:32pm
1. The Matrix Reloaded
2. The Matrix
3. Unbreakable
4. Batman
5. Superman
6. Superman II
7. Spider-man
8. X-Men (I)
9. Batman Returns
10.Forest Gump (Just kidding.)
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post #70 of 71
5/24/03 at 8:54pm
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I still find this adding "The Matrix" thing as pretty iffy at best. Yes, Neo could be considered a "superhero" I suppose, but the differences between those films and what is normally considered a "superhero" film are numerous and striking.

"The Matrix" didn't have 50 years of comics history, established characters and themes to be adapted, and legions of fans to appease. It simply made up its own universe, new characters, and started its own following.

This isn't a debate on which is better or more difficult, but the intent of the thread was about comics adaptations which have thei own unique set of problems and a spotty record of success. Comparing "The Matrix" to "Spider-Man" in a thread on superheroes is sort of pointless since "Spider-Man" IMO had a MUCH higher probability of failure and a thousand unique problems that the former film did not have.
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post #71 of 71
5/24/03 at 9:38pm
1.Spider-Man
2.Unbreakable
3.Superman 2
4.X2
5.Conan the barbarian
6.Superman
7.Batman
8.Halloween(Mikael Myers is a super vilains haha!)
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