DEPP'S CHOCOLAT FACTORY

From the main article:

"...Tim Burton, whose career seems to have hit one of those weird patches where everything he touches turns to shit..."

EXACTLY!!!

There was no slugworth (correct me if I'm worng) in the books and so he probably won't be in the movies. Walken as the grandfather would be interesting though...

You guys do know that Walken doesn't have to be in everything, right?

I like the title of this thread.

It's the title of the article!

Then I like the title of the article, too.

Because it makes me think of his butthole.

You know, I've been gone for a while... and it's for reasons like this above that I'm glad I came back.

You sure about that?

Why this, Poxy? Seriously. I don't see people name-drop Walken left and right when they are fan casting. BC, sure. But Walken? The talk of him for this was warranted. Guy's madcap, just like Wilder was in the original. So why the bitch? Other than you wanna just type up some bitch and let it loose upon the boards?

Walken's a creepy song and dance man, which would make him a viable option for the role.

Gentlemen... please... no fighting in front of the children.

And Walken was perfect for the role. Depp, as great as he is, doesn't pull of the crazy-in-a-scary-way that I think Walken could have done. Walken can be crazy, scary, and loveable all at once. Depp is an amazing actor, but I can't see him accomplishing that nearly as well as ol' Chris.

I bet Depp will do great. He just doesn't drop the ball when it comes to stuff like this.

I'm not worried about Depp dropping the ball. I'm worried if Tim Burton has anything creative left in him. I'm sure he does, and if anyone was going to remake this movie, I'm glad it's him... still, I have a slight nagging sensation that this will be a re-tread of the original, not a remake... in a very ape-planet way.

Like we didn't all know this was going to happen. And if you REALLY think about it, this is fucking perfect. Depp can BE wonka. Walken, I'm not so sure. Wonka is a little scary, but not overly. Walken would be pretty damned freaky as Wonka. I sure as hell wouldn't near his chocolate factory.

Either of them.

it's gonna suck, i hate it, Depp's always been great, but man, what happened to the time he actually put thought and effort into choosing his roles, and Burton hasn't made anything decent since Scissorhands, although some would argue Ed Wood, when did he get married? to much sex maybe, someone should enter in a time line, that dude from Haiku Tunnel would be good, 'course he'd also be good in a made from TV movie adaptation of The Critic, with all the bullshit remakes or re-adaptations of the book, same shit different bowl, i just have no love for this one, where's my hating straw?...

[edited to add choosing, i added choosing...]

Regarding Burton post-Ed Wood, I still think Sleepy Hollow is among his best films. Sure, Planet of the Apes was a shit-fest, but he needs to make a succession of crappy films (say, three-in-a-row) before I write him off.

I have mixed feelings about Depp as Wonka, for most of the reasons stated above. Walken would probably have been perfect. But I'm not sure why there needs to be a remake in the first place...I mean, a remake of Let's Get Harry, for instance, makes sense in that the original can be substantially improved (in theory), but the Wilder Wonka is pretty damn good.

Personally, I was incensed at the end of the article. Burton is BRILLIANT and always will be. The only two movies that I can think of his being compared to shit are POTA (which I can't really defend at all, altho' the ape make-up was amazing) and Mars Attacks! which I find I enjoy more now than when I first saw it. But EVERYTHING else he's done has been brilliant in just about every way possible. Sleepy Hollow was a great return to Hammer horror films of yore. Edward Scissorhands, well there's just no arguments there. Beetlejuice, Ed Wood, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Nightmare Before Christmas... All of them brilliant, all of them timeless classics. Yes, there is no WAY he should ever have gotten a hold of the reigns for POTA. That was a match I knew was wrong from the moment it was announced. However, I can see big things ahead for Willy Wonka, ESPECIALLY if he chooses to stay closer to the book than the first film did. And, if this one is a success, I hope he goes on to do The Great Glass Elevator! C'mon, go back to the original source material and tell me he's not a perfect fit! As to whether Chris Walken or Depp should take over the role of Wonka, I wouldn't mind seeing either of them. I was actually looking forward to seeing what Marrilyn Manson could bring to the role. Keaton would actually be good in there as well...

But to call Sleepy Hollow shit? Where the HELL do you get off? Creepy, sexy, atmospheric, funny as hell, and one of the best monsters this side of Hellmouth. And more beheadings then any movie before or since. Not to mention some great gore. The best big budget horror film to come out of Hollywood for AGES, and you have the nerve to say it was SHIT? Shame on all of you, every last one who thinks this. Jeez, how jaded can you be?

Sleepy Hollow is a bore. An exercise in style over substance.

Wow, all the cock-slapping going on around here and I get called on this?

And I meant he's been in a hell of a lot of movies lately. Him not being in this one isn't going to hurt anybody. Besides, we haven't even seen the script, so we have no way of knowing if Depp or Walken is the better choice for the character.

That would, of course, be opinion and not fact. Therefore it does not invalidate Cart00n's opinion of it.

Sleepy Hollow is a beautiful movie ruined by a shite ending.

Thanks for the treatise on the meaning of opinion.

I always found he was more eccentric than sinister, in both the book and movie. Why people find him sinister is beyond me, every single thing that happened to the kids was brought on by their own behaving like little shits in a factory. Yeah, he didn't exactly rush to save them, but it taught them (and the reader) a lesson in doing so. It's not like he pushed Augustus into the river, force fed Violet the gum and tossed Veruca down the shaft.

Burton sucks. I don't like him. Most of his movies scream "Look how strange I am!", when his work is not that terribly off-beat to begin with.
The problem I have with Depp is I don't know what kind of new angle he can bring to Wonka. Gene Wilder was so very perfect in the role that whoever plays him needs to come up with a completely different take on the character. I don't see Depp doing that.
Now Gary Busey as Wonka...well, I'd be first in line for that!

The book always struck me as more sinister, mainly because we actually see the end fate of the bad kids. I remember at the end Charlie and Wonka in the glass elevator fly overhead and look down at them. A screaming Veruca and her parents are dripping in garbage, Augustus' trip through the ovens has sweated all the fat off of him and has lost his appetite for sweets (okay, this is the one bad kid who probably came out of this better off than before), Violet has been squeezed back to her original shape but is still blue and Wonka even mentions she'll be stuck that color for maybe a year or more, and Mike has been stretched into a seven foot tall broomstick freak who Wonka says will one day have a great career in the NBA. Disturbing stuff for kids literature.

I agree. Kinda 'Raoul Duke'esque, without the psilocybin.

Why? Depp is well known for charging the roles he takes with all sorts of interesting choices.

Maybe I was a weird kid, because I thought it was funny.

Yeah, I know. I just can't see what he's capable of doing with this that will be a radical departure from Wilder's take.
Hopefully he'll surprise me, but I don't see how.

I'm fairly sure that he'll make it a point to avoid repeating Wilder's take, but who knows?

It's been about 20 years since I read the books but Wonka as I remember him was mysterious and more than a little nuts, but not sinister or creepy.

And as for the fate of Augustus, Veruca etc, that's just the old school way of teaching kids not to be greedy little shits. Combined with Dahl's unique sense of humor.

Valuable lessons, in this age of Rowling's Merchandise Megalodon and kids who'll drive over their own mother to get to Electronics Boutique by special midnight opening time so they can be first to buy GBA Harry Potter and the Order of my Arse Crack.

i still think Caroll Channing woulld be a better choice, what are we gonna see? a little Benny and Joon? and a little Ed Wood? and a little, uh, Nightmare on Elm Street? another Burton adaptation, cause yeah, his other ones were so freakin good, and to me Sleepy Hollow sucked for all the reasons POTA sucked, and why Peter Pan's gonna suck, tangent, it's just re-hash, last years fruitcake from the year before, and Burton didn't direct Nightmare before Christmas, so maybe that's the cause of all it's glory, and Mars Attacks still sucks for all the reasons Pluto Nash did, of which the likes Luis Guzman couldn't even save, what a sad day in tinsel town, oh no wait, Jay Mohr playing Christopher Walken playing Willy Wonka, problem solved...

Opinions of Sleepy Hollow aside, the Peter Pan that's coming out this Christmas is not a rehash. If you think for a second that a true adaption of Barrie's novel will be anything like the Disney versions, then you have some serious reading to do.

new_order, take pauses in between thoughts.

It helps.

i just wonder if tim burton is going to have all four grandparents sleeping in the same bed, like in the original. because apparently, the bucket family does them some swingin'. i know that natalie wood is unavailable, but maybe elliot gould, dyan cannon and robert culp could play the other grandparents, with robert culp as grandpa joe.

You know...all this "Depp's not sinister enough" talk is bizarre. Wonka isn't sinister. He's simultaneously crazed and charming. The only "sinister" moment in the film is the boat sequence, and if you want a Wonka film like that, you should just cast Manson.

No problem, looked liked you needed it.

I could not stop fucking laughing after reading/picturing that!

We're all discussing Depp as Wonka and where Michael Keaton and Christopher Walken may end up in this movie, and we're forgetting about the kids themselves. Don't be surprised to see Warner push for Burton to cast "tween" stars for the roles.

I really don't want to think about what Nickelodeon brats are gonna be crammed into the roles. Even moreso than someone replacing Wilder, I don't think they'll ever find someone like Peter Ostrum for Charlie. That'd be, in my book, a find the on the scale of Haley Joel Osment.

I remember seeing some concept art from burton for this. Does anyone have a link to it or has it saved on their hard drive so they can post it?

And Gary Busey is the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland, if anyone. Did you see that episode of I'm With Busey about technology and they were dancing around and Busey was the Mad Hatter? Totally inane and insane. Fantastic.

The original film was perfectly acceptable; in all honesty I see no need for a remake.

I'd like to see some of the excised book material included in this flick.

Hopefully they approach this with a "let's adapt the book" and not "let's remake the movie."

Oh, and I think Depp will be great in this role.

Since I have a new found obsession with Johnny Depp this is the best news I could have ever ever heard! This is going to be so cool!

I think that the man has proven that he is capable of playing almost any role, not only that, he has proven that he can play almost any role extremely well. We have seen him as a gentle and misunderstood freak, an insane drug addled freak, a pirate, a drug dealer, and even a movie poster. I see no reason why he couldn't play a whimsical candy man.

(Edited to add something worth saying)