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You know the scene in Phantom Menace where Anakin blows up the mothership? The motivation is pretty similar to the scene where Han now shoots in self defense in New Hope. He consciously doesn't kill. I don't think Anakin even shoots down another starfighter while in space either though I may be wrong (weren't they piloted by droids anyway?).

I assume this is because Lucas feels that a nine year old child like Anakin wouldn't have had the propensity to kill sentient beings (in this case, thousands on the mothership) intentionally. No ordinary child would. A manic Anakin seizing the moment by recognizing exactly what to do to debrify the Mothership and exclaiming " Let's kill them Neumodians!" would have been a no go. He had the Force guide his hand for this victory instead albeit accidentally.

It may have been the right thing in the grand scheme of things ( If I'm right, that is) but how did this feel to you cinematically?

Talk, my evil children, talk.

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post #2 of 9
Turning Anakin into a bloodthirsty little tyke at nine would have been a bit too broad stroke for the storyline. And I don't think audiences would be comfortable with a child slaughtering people (even funny little aliens) intentionally.

But the beauty of Star Wars is the very simple Good/Bad divisions anyway. I can't think of many times in the series where one of the good guys kills someone in anything other than self-defence. Maybe the attack on the Second Death Star, (What battlestation? Oooooh! THIS battlestation! No, we weren't going to use it, no we're just building a REALLY big Christmas tree and need a couple of decorations, yeah...) but that's about it.
post #3 of 9
There's a scene in the novelization that I think was cut from the movie, where Anakin starts beating on his best friend, and hits him a few times. During this scene, it's the only time that we trully get a sense that Anakin does have some evil in him and that he's aware of it as he's committing this evil act. But one of the disappointments I had with the movie, is that there are no moments like that, where we stare at Anakin, and get a great sense that he will turn into the ultimate evil that is Darth Vader.

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I agree with Le Devil.

The movie is about the lost of innocence not perceived evil. It will be far more tragic if it never was tainted with even the slightest evil.

And thus it begat.

They probably scraped those scenes to let one wonder how did this little tyken become evil eventually than let one readily decipher the exposed badness.

[This message has been edited by Eddie5 (edited 02-22-2001).]
post #5 of 9
While I agree that bloodthirsty was not the way to go, the Three Stooges blunder-win at the end just seems grossly...weird. It works for the Dirty Pair, but it was weird for this film. I kept waiting for the ship from The Navigator to pop up and whisk him off.
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I wholly agree with you, Coyote. While it shouldn't have been a thoroughly conscious 'kill', it definetely didn't warrant an accidental victory as well.

How about "I feel that I MUST fire on those big shiny things. Something tells me that I have to but it feels so wrong. But I must. I have to". Not exactly THAT corny sentence but you know what I mean. Let him feel the burden of that action. Why not let his guidance by the Force be a little more tangible to the audience?

So we'd know that there were greater forces at work and Anakin just wasn't Curly slumming.

Could what we saw been the only way? Any alternatives here?
post #7 of 9
I am not sure if this is the scene referred to above, but Anakin gets in a fistfight with a young Greedo, who accuses him of cheating to win the podrace. This continues until Qui-Gon intervenes and talks to Anakin. Wald (Warwick Davis), who is Anakin's little Rodian friend, talks to Greedo and says, "You are gonna come to a bad end one day," or something like that. It was filmed. Go to www.starwarz.com for more info about the cutscene.

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post #8 of 9
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It's good and I like it but theres one flaw; Liam never gets to be a floater like Ben did. He's just a corpse or was he still dying at that juncture?
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Time and again I am called upon to mention that Obi Wan and Yoda were making use of a special "skill" to remain split off from joining the Force after death in order to observe the Jedi.

Lucas has commented that Ben's remiaining on Tatooine was to watch Luke and to master this ability.

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