Dubya? Gore? Nader? Buchanan? Browne? That disabled retired truck driver?

This would be the first time I would think about voting 3rd party, but I liked them less than those other punks.

I went for Bush, although I would much rather have seen McCain take the nomination...

Nader got my vote.

i'm in new york state where gore was going to win handily howsoever i voted, so i threw a bone to the green party and voted nader.

/willko.

I didn't.

I passed out and only just moments ago came to after hearing of the Milius Conan 3 project...

YAY!

dubya wins. fuck nuts.

/willko.

I am so fucking pissed at Nader. Its 5:41 a.m. est, and everything hinges on Florida. I hate people. So much. Incoherency is appropriate, sometimes.

630 AM Central Time

And its all up to FLORIDA.

Dear God,

Please dont let George W Bush win.
His daddy was a lying SOB that armed 3rd world countries and then attacked them. His son will be the same.

Amen.

Does anyone find it at all odd that this is all awaiting the "recount" in Florida where George's brother Jeb is in power?
Something fishy is going on.
I think Jeb is trying to find a way to make sure Florida goes to his brother. I am telling y'all, it reeks of foulness.

"You mean the elections are finally going to be over after six months of TV advertising."

Heh. They're saying it may go into the weekend. Hastur flies to Florida tomorrow to settle this all out.
(Ok, she's going for an SCA event, but I'm TELLING people she's going there to sort it all out.)

Why don't we make it a true Race To The White House? Start in San Franscisco, and sprint to Pen Ave.

The Attonery General of FL is one of Gore's head campaign guys.
Either winner will have the spectre of cheating following him around, no matter what happens.

This just goes to show that Florida is lame.

..Or maybe the rest of us are lame and Florida is laughing at us. Who knows?

But I voted Nader as well.

ok , Time to ABOLISH the electorial college.

Gore is ahead by a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND votes, total in the country.

Bush can win Florida by about 1000 votes, giving him the victory.

BUT GORE would still have damn near 200,000 MORE actual VOTES!!!!

"Every Vote Counts"

.........Bull-Fuckin-Shit!

The man with the MOST VOTES SHOULD BE PRESIDENT! PERIOD!

Fuck the "electorial college"

Viva La Revolution!!!

This is why I dislike the EC.
CNN actually mentioned this election may cause reform in that area.

F*ckin Florida! Always messin things up! With their Hawaaiian shirts and straw hats! Why don't they go back where they came from?

...Fuggin Canadan immagrants...

Of course Florida is fucking this up for the rest of the country. what else should you expect from the dong state?

I'm with Crowe 110% on this one. "Every vote counts" my natural black ass. I voted for Gore in a state that went to Bush, so my vote counted for the square root of fuck all. In an all-or-nothing electoral college system, votes for the guy who loses mean nothing. I figured that out whent I took my first government class in the ninth grade. When I was fifteen, for crying out loud. So why haven't we changed the way we run our elections?

Hellblazer

Here's how the system works:

You vote. Then, SMART people HAND-SELECTED vote. Then we count the votes of the smart people that we hand-selected.

Who's vote counts?

Guess.


Nader got mine, and the wife's. I want Green to get their federal funding next time 'round. Probably won't happen. We'll need another Stealth bomber by then, or another inquest into how long, metrically, the president's clit is.

WHORES!!!

"the dong state."

heh heh hee heh

"the dong state"

Yep, looks like we are pissing all over Cuba.

My step dad just called and told me that now in Florida they just found a ballot box (or whatever it is) that had been 'lost'...so add yet another delay. This whole Florida thing is nuts

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innocent never ceases to amaze me!

.....but dont worry he too will grow up!

Damn Florida confused the ballot box for a coconut tree. I swear, if we don't nuke em soon, they'll go Lord of the Flies on us...

"Sharpen a stick at both ends," Jack said, his voice a thing of stone and broken glass.

They found the missing ballot box in Jeb's moonshine still.

This was my CHUD fact submission for the day:

Because the taut electoral race in Florida could not be decided upon recount, a drunk and high Scott Baio is to throw three darts at a board covered in pasted pictures blown up from a print of 'The Accused'. A hit on Foster counts for Bush, the drunken frat crowd for Gore. Best two of three throws wins.

******************
I couldn't let it languish in ignominy.

DJ disses on Florida, while he lives in Alabama. Now, I'm not saying much here because I live in Georgia, but still. . .

...there seems to be a flawed logic at work there, yes?

Because of the advanced age of the average Floridian, I only hope that, when they saw the name "Buchanan" on the ballot, they weren't thinking "James".

Peace.

I think we need to start a new conspiracy theory, implicating Jeb in the rigging of the Florida ballots, heheh.

I mean, it IS kind of a coincidence that the state that will decide the election is governed by a brother of one of the candidates.

If only Jeb were that capable...

Georgia of the 1980 when I moved here was asswater.

Now it's among the great states in out little country. Alabama and Florida...

Like comparing Steve Guttenberg and Marc Pillow to DeNiro.

Well since I seem to be the only poster here actually born and living in florida let me give my perspective.

First of all that bullshit you heard about democrats in Palm Beach County being pissed because due to a way the ballot was set up they may have voted for Buchanan is not really so much bullshit. I'm a democrat, and I live in Palm Beach County. I won't get into the specifics, they have a picture of the ballot rotating on MSNBC, I'll just say that it was a little confusing. I almost checked off Buchanan myself, but realized my mistake and checked off Gore like I had intended. Most people did likewise, but there are probably a small number number (old folks with cataracts) that didn't.

Now listen to this, in Palm Beach County, which is a democratic leaning county and also has probably the largest population of jews in ALL of florida, got 3400 votes for Buchanan. That's a significant spike compared to most other counties.

Then there's the fact that Dade County, and Broward County got their counts in late. People in Dade...well let's just say that this is the same county where the city of Miami when bankrupt, and it was later revealed that the mayor and the city officials had for years been engaged in corrupt activities, and at least one CONFIRMED COUNT OF VOTE FRAUD IN A LOCAL ELECTION.

Add to that you've got missing ballot boxes being reported in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties; and this is more unlikely, but there are accusations of voter intimidation in Dade, and some blacks are crying foul over the possibility that ballots of blacks were discarded.

The entire issue of the electorial college is a good one to examine. Most Gore supporters, that weren't on drugs, knew and expected that Gore would probably lose the popular vote, but could win on the electorial count. They didn't want to talk about it before the election, figuring that if people bitched, he'd still be in office, while the systems was reformed, if it ever would be fixed.

All of a sudden, it looks like it might go the other way and Gore will wind up with the largest share of the popular vote and Bush might win the electorial college vote. Now that pisses them off. The Bush supporters who were bitching that Gore might win only because of the electorial college are smuggly happy in their knowledge that if Bush wins the electorial college, there is nothing the Gore folks can do about it.

How can we find fault with the canidates (Almost sounds like Canadians, doesn't it?) when we have a system that allows the electorial college to decide, when the canidates spend their time and money on those states with the biggest electorial count? If those are the rules then thats what we have to live with.

Remember, the electorial college was set up when neither women or black Americans could vote. The founding fathers didn't want any illiterates, like me, voting and they thought only land owners should vote. That was the original reason for the electorial college.

Things have changed and you better believe that the MAN, those who control both parties, want that electorial college to keep the dumbass people (you and me) from having too much voice at all in the elections. Only 25 of the 50 states are required to vote for the canidate that the people in those states voted for. That means that even if Bush wins Florida, the electorial representatives could vote for Gore and face what, as a consequence? A fine? Who cares. Lets remember this and fix that bad boy, only remember that we better do it fast while people still remember. I don't know who won this election, I only know who lost. You and me and every other American. Let's take back what we can, given this set of circumstances, when people are confused and pissed off. Let's abolish the damn electorial college. Can you imagine an election where your vote actually counted, even if you disagreed with the other assholes in your state? How refreshing. How AMERICAN. Well, it used to be American.




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Will is a hero.


And for all the corruption in Florida: KICK ASS, by Carl Hiaasen. University of Florida Press. It's his investigative journalism columns, not his crime fiction.

It is a fine and noble work.

And although the election is over (although still being counted), go and buy and read PARLIAMENT OF WHORES by P.J. O'Rourke, an inveterate Republican who nonetheless makes sense of our entire political system while at the same time pointing out how utterly ruinous it is for the future of America. Like the 97% Ruling that Congress churned out.

Goes like this: If you are a farmer in an area where tomatos grow, and America's Dept. of Agriculture decides enough tomatos are already being grown, all you have to do is register with them and state that you are PLANNING on growing tomatos. They will then pay you 97% of WHAT YOUR BEST CROP SOLD FOR IN YOUR BEST YEAR. To do what?

To not grow tomatos.

At least, they'll do that if you have a sizable tract of land and are a farming conglomerate. If you're the little guy, mom & pop shop, they'll tell you to bugger off.

Change. Is it necessary? You betcha.

Damn Grendel, I said the same thing hours ago, but WILL is your hero?!

I feel used, and Cheap.

Because you are both.

And I can't even REMEMBER a couple of hours ago, sorry.

How can you say that your vote doesn't count in the current system? A difference of roughly 1700 will decide the election ...

Ok, it counts IF YOU LIVE IN FLORIDA at this point.

Back atcha!

Go tell the 270,000 voters (more than BUSH) that there votes count!

Bush can win by 1000 or so votes in florida to win the election.

However 270,000 more people ,in the country voted for Gore.
So a majority rules? Every vote counts? only if we put GORE in office.

Damn the electorial college!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
.......MISS AMERICA GAVE ME THE CLAP

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There are smart people in Illinois?

"I think the electrical college works. States like New York and California and Illinois should have more pull. That's where the intelligence and ingeniuty in this country is, the founding fathers did that for a reason. Neither they nor I wanted to have someone in office because all the rubes out in the sticks think someone should be President "cause his wife's real purty." "

I'm hoping IX is being sarcastic. Especially about the founding fathers focusing on California & Illinois (the hidden 14th & 15th Original Colonies).
Cause, ya know, EVERY bit of new technology comes from Des Moines & LA.

Arbitrary? Add the number of senators from a given state plus the number of members in the House of Representatives for that state ... Hmmmm, suspiciously it's the same number of electoral votes for that state. Arbitrary?

The number of elected officials in seats seems kinda arbitrary....


*ducks*

Every state gets 2 senators. And the number of Representatives in the House is based upon population ...

It's population per state that's arbitrary!

Hey, watch your mouth, Nunziata. I live in Alabama too and...

Waitaminit, I hate this fuckhole of a state. Never mind.

Hellblazer

While we took in Buffy, Angel, and the first Evil Dead, my would-be love interest kept track of the election. She has a friend that has NO IDEA how the system works-so we had to explain it.

We talked of our disdain for the electoral college-how the people's vote should count.

About an hour later, we were watching CNN coverage-and this girl sighed and said that everybody should just vote for Dave Matthews.

I suddenly realized that no matter how flawed it is-the college exists for a reason...

Mickey Mouse gets votes.

Hulk Hogan get votes.

Pat Buchannan gets votes.

Some people are retarded.

Perhaps, dependent upon Florida state law, it might be smartest thing for Florida to split their electoral votes -- say 13 to Gore, 12 to Bush. Neither party would have 270, and it would be up to New Mexico and Oregon (the two other states undeclared with respect to electoral votes).

Interesting...

The only problem with that

is that it makes SENSE.


and we ARE talking about the Government here.

to blofelds post below, it still makes sense.

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My bad.

It would have made sense if I had understood how the electoral college actually works ...

You see, there aren't 25 electoral college voters in Florida ... there are 250. Each represented party (10) has 25 representatives. Whichever party gets the majority vote in a state sends its electoral representatives in, and they each get 1 electoral vote.

So, it's unlikely to split ... if Bush wins the popular Florida vote, it's doubtful that some of the committed Republican electoral voters will not vote Bush.

Damn...

Sorry all...