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post #101 of 127
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However, the Purge WILL be represented in several scenes via the killing of many established Jedi characters. So, it kind of is and kind of isn't in the film.

Basically, Jedi will get wiped out left and right... but the majority of the Purge will happen in the timeline between EP3 and ANH, where Vader and Stormtroopers basically go around and hunt down the few remaining Jedi hiding throughout the galaxy.
If you ask me, the Clone War itself is the purge. It makes sense that most of the Jedi would be killed in the conflict, especially if Palpatine has the clonetroopers turn on them in the heat of battle just after the defeat of the Seperatists.

It always seemed foolish to me to expect a montage of Vader tracking various Jedi through the galaxy and engaging in duel after duel....
post #102 of 127
The Tusken Raider slaughter is the first scene that ultimately takes him on the road to the dark side, but I don't think it's Anakin's defining moment. That will come in EP3 when he's an adult.


But I liked the way the sequence was done:

-We see Anakin's face change in the hut (cue scary music)

-He decapitates 2 Tusken guards quickly......

-We see mother and children notice him.....

-He goes to decapitate another Tusken.....

-wipe

-Yoda feels Qui-Gon's distress over the slaughter.

-Hayden (in his best acting in the film) :

"I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're
dead, every single one of them...Not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals... I hate them!"


The dark side is still a hidden plot line here. That goes for Palp/Sidious as much as Anakin. I think that like everything in EP3, the dark side in all it's manifestations will come to the surface and be presented in a more in-your-face fashion. Which should include Anakin's wicked deeds.

Subtext becomes text.....
post #103 of 127
GL's description of EP3 was "It's a darker version of Star Wars"


Whatever that means.
post #104 of 127
It will be interesting to see if any of the production team (actors, FX people, stunt coordinators – anyone) slaughter the prequels when EP III finishes its run. Ewan McGregor has been fairly open with his criticisms, but I wonder if Portman, Christensen – or even McDiarmid will stand by a trilogy which, whilst being commercially successful, has been ripped to pieces by just about every critic on the planet.

After all, ‘movie people’ are renowned for their perfidy.
post #105 of 127
But then does it matter what they think? Guinness' well known embarrassment at being involved with the OT doesn't change my opinion of said films, just saddens me a bit. I'm sure he wasn't the only crew member to consider the whole thing juvenile rubbish.
post #106 of 127
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has been ripped to pieces by just about every critic on the planet.
Would you care to show me some evidence to back up this statement?

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Guinness' well known embarrassment at being involved with the OT
Nope, that's wrong. Guiness was in no way embarrassed to be a part of Star Wars. He was proud of it, and honored by the Academy Awards. He thought the story was great, and took the part of Obi-Wan when many in the industry were telling him he was crazy to do so. He was a great actor who had a long and distinguished career before he ever took the part of Obi-Wan.

But, he was dismayed by the fact that people only knew him for being Obi-Wan in Star Wars. That's what made him angry.
post #107 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
But then does it matter what they think?
That depends on a person's reasons for liking the prequels.

If they simply enjoy them then it isn't a problem.
If they enjoy them because it's 'cool' to do so then it is.
post #108 of 127
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Originally posted by Terrell
Would you care to show me some evidence to back up this statement?
I can't provide any evidence without trawling the net for hours, days or perhaps even weeks. Why on earth would I want to waste my time doing that? I state that many critics have little time for the prequels. I feel reasonably confident with that statement. If you have a problem with it then ... I'm afraid that's your problem.
post #109 of 127
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I state that many critics have little time for the prequels.
That is not what you said. You said and I quote:

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has been ripped to pieces by just about every critic on the planet
Saying the film has been ripped to pieces by every critic on the planet suggests that it received no positive reviews, and all of the reviews were scathingly negative. Both films have nearly two-thirds positive reviews at RT.

Look, my point is people blow things way out of proportion where these films are concerned. They go overboard overboard with negativity. Just be honest. Reviews were mixed. That's all you had to say. But you went ridiculously overboard.
post #110 of 127
I think it's safe to say Gigli and Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever were two films that were ripped to pieces by just about every critic on the planet.
post #111 of 127
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Originally posted by Terrell
That is not what you said. You said and I quote:

Saying the film has been ripped to pieces by every critic on the planet suggests that it received no positive reviews, and all of the reviews were scathingly negative. Both films have nearly two-thirds positive reviews at RT.


To be fair, it's impossible to make any sense of Rotten Tomatoes. 'Fresh' is often awarded to the most scathing reviews, and likewise 'Rotten' articles often appear to feature glowing praise.

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Look, my point is people blow things way out of proportion where these films are concerned. They go overboard overboard with negativity. Just be honest. Reviews were mixed. That's all you had to say. But you went ridiculously overboard.
I've not made any mention of my attitude toward the films (although it is fair to say that I didn't like either), but if you feel that I went 'ridiculously overboard' then I apologise.
post #112 of 127
Well, you didn't do anything wrong that requires an apology. You're entitled to your opinions on these films. Trust me, I can handle it. I just wanted to set the record straight.
post #113 of 127
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Originally posted by Terrell
Well, you didn't do anything wrong that requires an apology. You're entitled to your opinions on these films. Trust me, I can handle it. I just wanted to set the record straight.
Excellent, although I'm not sure that either of us is in a position to offer some 'absolute' evaluation of the merits of the prequels.

<g>
post #114 of 127
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although I'm not sure that either of us is in a position to offer some 'absolute' evaluation of the merits of the prequels.
Probably not.
post #115 of 127
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Originally posted by AgentOrange
That depends on a person's reasons for liking the prequels.

If they simply enjoy them then it isn't a problem.
If they enjoy them because it's 'cool' to do so then it is.
AgentOrange I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean by this, I'm pretty sure there's little in the way of credibility to be gained by claiming to dig the prequels in these heady days of Lucas hostility.

I do remember though how as the release of the SE's segued into the hype for Phantom Menace I started to notice a lot of people I met who had never given Star Wars a second thought after it's original release suddenly claim to be absolute long time SW aficionados. There definitely was a period around TPM's pre-release hype when it was cool to love or say you loved Star Wars, it seemed everyone wanted to be a part of the mass nostalgia.

Interestingly I noticed it was many of these types of people who turned so savagely upon the prequels – it didn’t surprise me that they felt let down by something they never were really that close to anyway.

I think a lot of people had remembered the cultural phenomenon of the OT but never had the love for them the way some folks have.
I appreciate that a lot of genuine fans have felt let down by the prequels but I know quite a few who haven't and felt utterly engaged by newest saga – I’m pretty sure that the split in the fanbase is permanent now, Ep 3 won't reconcile it, it doesn’t stand a chance.

Prequel admirers are going to continue to take a lot of flak and be regarded as apologetic, over forgiving or plain simple minded –it’s certainly not a cool time to like Star Wars 'Entire' at the moment, Jacksons 'Rings' is where it’s at these days in the geek and real world. But hey I didn’t care back in the early days as I traded Star Wars figs in the playground whilst the cool kids played football and stuff, I only know that for good or bad I'm still utterly spellbound by Lucas' unique universe, and come May 2005 - just how I was for the 5 previous SW movies - I'll be sitting in the cinema, not moving a muscle, heart racing and eyes like dinner plates for the entire movie.
post #116 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
AgentOrange I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean by this, I'm pretty sure there's little in the way of credibility to be gained by claiming to dig the prequels in these heady days of Lucas hostility.
I shall explain: in my opinion many people choose to 'like' a movie because those around them do so. To put it simply - these people do not want to appear 'uncool' in the presence of their peers.

Other people like movies because of a personal decision that is not affected by the opinions of those around them.

I recognise that 'cool' is not something generally associated with the prequels, but still - I think the above is a valid assessment.
post #117 of 127
It is a perfectly valid statement AgentOrange I just don't really understand it's relevance here considering that liking the prequels is more likely to get a reaction of indifference or hostility than a high-five these days. If anything it could be argued it's 'cool' to fault the prequels, whenever and wherever possible.
post #118 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
It is a perfectly valid statement AgentOrange I just don't really understand it's relevance here considering that liking the prequels is more likely to get a reaction of indifference or hostility than a high-five these days. If anything it could be argued it's 'cool' to fault the prequels, whenever and wherever possible.
I think we must be very careful with the word 'here'.

'Here' is CHUD, a site devoted to movie discussion, and consequently a good proportion of opinion tends to be informed opinion.

I am more concerned with the perception of the general public who, in the main, consider the prequels to be merely 'films' and not something that needs to be analyzed in the context of the OT too deeply.
post #119 of 127
Orange, I feel this is definitely one of those conversations that would be better face to face.

I feel like our wires are getting crossed
post #120 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
Orange, I feel this is definitely one of those conversations that would be better face to face.

I feel like our wires are getting crossed
Don't worry about it. I'm drunk. In the morning I'll probably denounce everything I have said as nonsense.

<grin>
post #121 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
AgentOrange I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean by this, I'm pretty sure there's little in the way of credibility to be gained by claiming to dig the prequels in these heady days of Lucas hostility.

I do remember though how as the release of the SE's segued into the hype for Phantom Menace I started to notice a lot of people I met who had never given Star Wars a second thought after it's original release suddenly claim to be absolute long time SW aficionados. There definitely was a period around TPM's pre-release hype when it was cool to love or say you loved Star Wars, it seemed everyone wanted to be a part of the mass nostalgia.

Interestingly I noticed it was many of these types of people who turned so savagely upon the prequels – it didn’t surprise me that they felt let down by something they never were really that close to anyway.

I think a lot of people had remembered the cultural phenomenon of the OT but never had the love for them the way some folks have.
I appreciate that a lot of genuine fans have felt let down by the prequels but I know quite a few who haven't and felt utterly engaged by newest saga – I’m pretty sure that the split in the fanbase is permanent now, Ep 3 won't reconcile it, it doesn’t stand a chance.

Prequel admirers are going to continue to take a lot of flak and be regarded as apologetic, over forgiving or plain simple minded –it’s certainly not a cool time to like Star Wars 'Entire' at the moment, Jacksons 'Rings' is where it’s at these days in the geek and real world. But hey I didn’t care back in the early days as I traded Star Wars figs in the playground whilst the cool kids played football and stuff, I only know that for good or bad I'm still utterly spellbound by Lucas' unique universe, and come May 2005 - just how I was for the 5 previous SW movies - I'll be sitting in the cinema, not moving a muscle, heart racing and eyes like dinner plates for the entire movie.
I like what this kid says. Good words, my friend.
post #122 of 127
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Originally posted by blipper
AgentOrange I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean by this, I'm pretty sure there's little in the way of credibility to be gained by claiming to dig the prequels in these heady days of Lucas hostility.

I do remember though how as the release of the SE's segued into the hype for Phantom Menace I started to notice a lot of people I met who had never given Star Wars a second thought after it's original release suddenly claim to be absolute long time SW aficionados. There definitely was a period around TPM's pre-release hype when it was cool to love or say you loved Star Wars, it seemed everyone wanted to be a part of the mass nostalgia.

Interestingly I noticed it was many of these types of people who turned so savagely upon the prequels – it didn’t surprise me that they felt let down by something they never were really that close to anyway.

I think a lot of people had remembered the cultural phenomenon of the OT but never had the love for them the way some folks have.
I appreciate that a lot of genuine fans have felt let down by the prequels but I know quite a few who haven't and felt utterly engaged by newest saga – I’m pretty sure that the split in the fanbase is permanent now, Ep 3 won't reconcile it, it doesn’t stand a chance.

Prequel admirers are going to continue to take a lot of flak and be regarded as apologetic, over forgiving or plain simple minded –it’s certainly not a cool time to like Star Wars 'Entire' at the moment, Jacksons 'Rings' is where it’s at these days in the geek and real world. But hey I didn’t care back in the early days as I traded Star Wars figs in the playground whilst the cool kids played football and stuff, I only know that for good or bad I'm still utterly spellbound by Lucas' unique universe, and come May 2005 - just how I was for the 5 previous SW movies - I'll be sitting in the cinema, not moving a muscle, heart racing and eyes like dinner plates for the entire movie.
Well put. I'm definitely not a Prequel Supporter; but I still get excited before each one arrives, mostly because of my childhood (and adult) love of the classic trilogy.
post #123 of 127

Moriarty called it way back.  

post #124 of 127
I swear to God, I thought that this was a new thread and that he had come here to gossip or gloat.
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I swear to God ...

 

LMAO

post #126 of 127

Bump of the week.

post #127 of 127
I've only just heard!

Hoo boy!
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