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MARVELS and Kingdom Come

post #1 of 11
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I say just spend an assload of money and make both of these pronto.

For anyone who isn't in the "know", both MARVELS and Kingdom Come were by Alex Ross and Kurt Busiek I beleive. MARVELS starts in the 30's or 40's and follows the MARVEL universe and it's plethora of superbeings until the 60's or so. It's WWII era feel and classic comic look is enough to warrent this film being made. The main thing is that the audience wouldn't have to know the entire history of MARVEL comics to "get" the movie, the narrator of the story tells it from a spectator's view anyway.

Kingdom Come is on the other end of the spectrum both narrative and literal. It is set in the future of DC Comics in which all the heros of old have retired from the public eye and left the world to the newer, more irresponsible heros of the modern era. Once these "heros" destroy all of Kansas and some of it's surrounding states with a nuclear holocaust, Superman comes out of hiding and tries to turn these newer heros into the protectors they should be. All of the Justice League is reunited and factions emerge between the heros resulting in an all out war of superbeings. The story is chained together by a narrator like in MARVELS, named Norman McCay.

The only issue that I used to have with the ability to make this movie was cost..... about 3 years ago. Now, it can be done with programs like MASSIVE that was used to make the opening battle in Lord of the Rings. It can be done if there are talented people attached to the projects. Intrest is a non-issue. Can you hoestly tell me that people would not be interested in a story that has Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, Captain America, and the X-Men in it? Or how about a story where Wonder Woman, Superman, and the Flash battle it out with Batman, Captain Marvel, and Lex Luthor.

but, it'll never happen.... sad I am.
post #2 of 11
I don't know if I'd like to see MARVELS on the screen necessarily;

I was of the opinion that the art was somewhat of the reason for it's being moreso than the story (which was phenomenal, double bonus).

I think if DD and The Hulk do well, there might be hope, but it definitely isn't an instantly identifiable property, which would hurt it.

I'm more of a fan of MARVELS than of Kingdom Come, but KC is very cool as well.
post #3 of 11
I've always considered Kingdom Come the ultimate Alan Burnett/Paul Dini/Bruce Timm project - yeah, it'd be animated, but wouldn't it make for a hell of a miniseries on Cartoon Network?
post #4 of 11
Just to be pedantic, there's no way Marvels could be made. The film rights to the various Marvel characters are spread all over Hollywood. This is why in Daredevil, Ben Urich won't work for the Daily Bugle, and why Sam Raimi can't use Kingpin in Spider-Man 2 (and he wanted to as well).

Kingdom Come, on the other hand, could work - as Warner Bros has kept a tight grip on the DC characters. But I agree it'd work better animated than live action.
post #5 of 11
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Dan Laugharn: Attorney at Love:
I think they're just fine as comics. No real need to make them movies.
[studio exec]
No...must make...everything...into...movies...[/studio exec]
post #6 of 11
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Well Dan, that argument could be said for anything.

Really though, as far as Kingdom Come is concerned, I would really like to see it live action. (feasable or not) Half the joy from reading both these comics is the Rockellian realism and not the drawn look like most comics.

Of course, I'll retract my statement that these should be movies the moment that the attach Micheal Bay and Joel Shumacher to these properties. And you know they would....

post #7 of 11
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Ugly Goblin Boy
Kingdom Come could work, at least the idea anyways. Making a movie based on this comic series would be way too expensive and way too flashy. Pitting every superhero and villian against each other would just confuse people and take away from the story. Now if they focused more on the love sub-plot between superman & wonder woman, Bruce Wayne fighting his inner demons while dealing with old age (the suit was a cool idea), and finally Lex Luther trying to snuff out the super-humans once and for all; that could work.
Nah, I disagree - while MAYBE your idea might work - after all, you're using 4 characters any Joe Sixpack would be familiar with - I think it would still be too massive an undertaking, requiring to much explanation of backstory to fit on the screen in less than 4 hrs.

And at that length, only the fanboys would go see it...(well, I'd be in line, so only the fanboys and me, I guess). wink
post #8 of 11
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Ugly Goblin Boy:
That was kinda the point, the movie would only work if you used the least amount of characters to tell the story.
Right, I understood that - but even using just Supes, WW, Bats, and Luthor would still require explanations of the interrelationships going on to not make it impenetrable to the general moviegoers - it's been 20+ yrs since Superman and Wonder Woman (or Luthor, for that matter) has NEVER received a comprehensive mass media treatment; even doing it Unbreakable style (BRILLIANT fucking suggestion, BTW) would result in, at the least:

- a cursory origin of Batman to explain the nature of his....issues (psychoses may be a better word)

- going with the understated style, OK, you might be able to zip past the Supes and WW origins per se, but you'd have to still convey their deep friendship and respect which has over time become love (much like Chow Yun-Fat and Michelle Yeoh did in CTHD - which means it has to be done with good actors and a deft directorial touch, or it'll be way overdone or baffling)

- an explanation of Luthor's obsession with destroying Supes

I dunno - granted, it could work well with the right leads and director, but the length may be unwieldy, and the style you suggest doesn't have the "blockbuster" mentality associated with most "superhero" films.

I will unreservedly give you props for the approach, but I'd be shocked to see it go into production in that form. MARVELS would be a more likely candidate, as that is the kind of story that it is in the first place.
post #9 of 11
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Dan Laugharn: Attorney at Love:
Couldn't people just be happy with these in comic form, seeing as how they are kinda deconstructions of the various era's of the medium? Wouldn't it lose a little something in translation?
That's exactly my point. Kingdom Come was written and designed to tell it's story in comic form. You could adapt it as a film, but it would be an inferior version. It doesn't need to be turned into a film to legitimise the story. Same goes for Watchmen. It works best as a comic. Any adaptation in another medium won't be as good or effective, so why do it? To see a story we love on the big screen? Yes, that would be cool, but reading the comic is just as cool - so what have we gained?
post #10 of 11
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The whole point in making the movie were you to make it, would to give the watcher some credit by not going into backstory. If someone goes into X2 expecting to see backstory onall the characters, they should realise they are shit outta luck. Think of kingdom Come as a sequel to everything. People know there are other movies that depict the backstory and so they shouldn't expect anything like that.

And as for too many characters, 90% of all the characters in Kingdom Come didn't have lines. And of the 10% that did have lines, only half are highley recognizable. The story is relativly told through 5 to 7 people. And whatever backstory that needs to be told can easily be added by having it told to Norman McCay.

People are starvng for a serious superhero movie. They haven't been given that. And if Kingdom Come was made with the story and all its baggage intact, it might just add some cred to the genre.
post #11 of 11
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Sure they are, tell me the name of one person who didn't think Batman and Robin was the ultimate shit. Not only because the script was awful, but because everything was made with a certain selfaware silliness that is the kiss of death to enjoying action. Although I will admit, even if it had been played with the straightness of Shakespeare, it would've never saved it.

Bringing real drama to a genre which has had so little of it would be a real treat to see. I guess I'm the only who loved Unbreakable for that though.
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