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Preacher: How It Should Be (Spoilers)

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CHUD OVERLORD WARNING: The following thread discusses key plot points in the first two volumes of the Preacher comic book collections. If you have not read these, do not read this thread. Instead, get your ass to your local Borders/Barnes & Nobel/College Bookstore/Comic Book Shop and pick up all nine right the fuck now. You'll thank me for it.

Now, moving on....

In the vein of "Let's Cast Batman V. Superman". I've been reading the first six trade paperbacks again and have been doing a lot of thinking about how it could be made into a movie, if ever.

I think they should at least try to make it into a movie, but it will be extremely difficult. My thinking was is that it should start with the escaping of Genesis from Heaven. The opening shots would be of Heaven, quiet and peaceful, and we see how beautiful it is. There is a great explosion, almost like an atomic bomb, and a huge light fills the screen. Genesis, a comet with the head of an infant, comes screaming towards us and we cut to black. We pull out from the black, which we see is the eye of Jesse Custer preaching to the congregation of Annville. We see how sucky his life is, him getting drunk, etc., and then we go into the main plot of Gone To Texas. This works because Gone To Texas works as a stand alone story and also leaves room open for a sequel.

Now, if that doesn't work out, the next best
thing would be to have it made into an HBO series. Animated, of course. The only problem I see is the artists would have to come up with some way to make the series more than just a moving comic. The next problem would be that big-name talent would not want to spend nine years working on a series when they could be off making movies and shit.

Director: I've been thinking about this a lot and I think I have a controversial, yet effective choice. Kevin Smith. Loves the material, hell, loves the medium, not afraid to take on organized religion or shy away from gory aspects. Only problem is, the man does have a penchant for those dick and fart jokes. I would say that Smith should wait at least a few more films before taking on this project, if he decides to at all. Hell, I don't even know if he's been contacted about it. I want to see what he does with "Jersey Girl" and "Fletch Lives" before making up my mind. I have a good feeling about him, though.

Jason Mewes, however, should not be allowed to even see Preacher, much less be in it. (Borrowed from Sam Rami)

Cast: I, too have been thinking a lot about this,
and am going to throw out a few suggestions. I agree totally with what Nick said about getting actors who can totally inhabit the roles of the characters.

Jesse: Hugh Jackman has the look, but he's already in one major comic book franchise. He's also proved that he can be a bad-ass. Ben Affleck, also has that look, doesn't quite have the badass nature of Jesse. We'll wait an' see with Daredevil, but again, he's already in one potential comic book franchise. Matthew McConaughay is from Texas, but doesn't quite have the look IMHO. I think, however, he could do wonders with it.

Tulip: Gonna go out on a limb here and say....Joey Lauren Adams, she of Chasing Amy. I know, you're already screaming "WTF? Rath has finally lost that creepy little mind of his!!!" However, she sounds like I imagine Tulip to sound, and the look is somewhat similar. She also proved, albet in one film, the aformentioned Chasing Amy, that she can act the pants off her male costar. She's also the kind of chick who would look good shooting a gun.

Cassidy: I'm fucked if I can figure this one out, boss. People have mentioned Robert Carslye, but he just seems WRONG to me. I know hes a damn good actor, but it just doesn't feel right. I would much rather see someone like Christian Bale or Colin Farrell in this role. Bale because he can jump from sincere to psycho to back again, Farrell because he's got the accent and sort of the look. But CF is also in a potiential CBF (comic book franchise) and from all the interviews I've read, seems to be a bit of a twit. Jude Law, maybe. Maybe. He certainly knows how to inhabit his characters, but is too pretty looking. Cassidy has to be kind of worn down.

Saint of Killers: Gotta be Eastwood. Has to be Eastwood. MUST be Eastwood. However, I don't know if he's willing to a) get into a project he isn't directing and b) work with a potentially young director. Can't you just hear him, however, saying "Get down here or I'll kill my way halfway across creation"? Gives me shits and giggles just thinking about it.

Starr: Patrick Stewart is in enough franchises. He has the look, but he's too obvious a choice. I would go with someone more refined, more British, but still very brutal. Like a younger Bob Hoskins, Alan Rickman, or Jeremy Irons. My top choice, however, would be Colm Feore, of Pearl Harbor, The Insider, and Stephen King's Storm of the Century. Second up is Jason Issacs or Sam Neil. Neil, however, might already be in one CBF.

Sherrif Hugo Root: You want to give this role to a guy who can be a total prick, but also funny as hell. That's when you're laughing AT him, not with him. Someone at Preacher's Divinity mentioned Tommy Lee Jones. As of right now, he seems to me like the best choice.I give Runner's Up to Mr. Billy Bob Thornton.

Arseface: I say give it to one of these fuckin' pretty boy actors like Jason Biggs or Josh Hartnett. Or maybe Sean William Scott.

Detective Paulie Bridges: In the comic book, Si says "When they make a movie about this, Schwarzenegger's going to play him" Sounds good to me, but the man is too damn old. Sorry, Arnie. I say give this one to another up and coming action star, like our man Vin Diesel, who looks like he can play old.

Detective John Tool: The man with the best name needs to be played by someone older than Paulie, as that's how I see their relationship in the comics. Tool is such a clumsy, unlucky bastard that he hasn't been able to get promoted, and is stuck with wonder boys like Paulie. That being said, I would like to see Don Cheadle in this role.

Serial Si: He and Cassidy met at Woodstock (the first one), so it would have to be someone of that age. Donald Sutherland has been mentioned, but he has too much of a history behind him. Now, when we see Donald on the screen, we know he's up to some sort of shit. Dennis Hopper, same thing. Phillip Seymour Hoffman has the general look, but might be, as rumored, in either one or two CBFs (Spidey 2 and BvS). However, as I write this, a thought springs into my mind. Billy Bob Thornton. It could work. He would need to gain some weight, though.

Here endeth the post. It's long and rambling, but I hope it provokes some discussion.
Peace.
post #2 of 39
HBO live action series. Vince Vaughn as Custer. Get an unknown hotty as Tulip. Robert Carlyle is Cassidy - no question. Stick with Rachel Talalay as director. She digs good comics, and deserves the chance to do one without interference for a change.

As for Kevin Smith's penchant for dick and fart jokes being a problem for directing Preacher...you did say you'd read the books, right? It features a man fucking a giant sex doll made from meat, a man's head being scarred to look like a penis and all manner of weirdo sex. Dick and fart jokes are par for the course.
post #3 of 39
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Dan Whitehead vs Candid Gamera:
a man fucking a giant sex doll made from meat.
That was one fucked up issue.

Anyway, I agree that the HBO series would be the best bet. Each season could cover a story arc. I nominate Brando for the role of the Allfather.
post #4 of 39
Preacher doesn't need big name stars. Vince Vaughn as Custer is as far as it goes for me. Get some fresh talent in there so they can inhabit the characters. Casting big name actors because their appearance or persona matched the character archetype is what brought down the Batman franchise.
post #5 of 39
I'm not sure that I even want to see a movie of PREACHER made. I wish Rachel Talalay wasn't involved. I wouldn't consider seeing the movie if Kevin Smith were in the least involved. But I have no solutions. I don't know who should be involved with this movie.

EXCEPT! I think Naomi Watts would make a good Tulip.
post #6 of 39
A Preacher movie has to have great fight scenes, I mean Fight Club brutal scenes, and Smith can't shoot fights for bananas IIRC. Although he might do a decent screenplay...
post #7 of 39
Why? It makes the most sense. Too much story to cram into one movie.
post #8 of 39
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I am also getting rather tired of hearing the "HBO live action series" as the easiest response for this and every other major huge comic book project out there. Watchmen, Sandman, this, HBO is all right but they still do put out crap like "Point of Origin" and "Sex and the City."
post #9 of 39
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I am also getting rather tired of hearing the "HBO live action series" as the easiest response for this and every other major huge comic book project out there. Watchmen, Sandman, this, HBO is all right but they still do put out crap like "Point of Origin" and "Sex and the City."
What's the alternative? A chopped down two-hour beat-em-up movie that removes all the subtlety and scope of the comic? I don't care what crap HBO has put out - I'm talking about the format, not the corporate history.

And there's a reason people keep saying "mini series" for questions like this. If these comics were to be adapted, this would be the best format to remain faithful to the comic.

Character-based comics - Batman, Superman, Spider-Man - work well as movies because the characters are archetypes who basically go through the same motions over and over again. It doesn't matter what happens in the comics, the characters are established enough to exist outside of continuity in the publics eye.

Stuff like Watchmen and Preacher are finite stories with a beginning, middle and end. You couldn't take the character of Jesse Custer and put him something else and still call it Preacher. To adapt Preacher, you have to adapt the story. To adapt Spider-Man, you have to adapt the character. A character can be compressed into a single movie. A sixty-five issue story can't.
post #10 of 39
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I would have no problem seeing an HBO series IF it was animated. That way, you could bring the big name talent and still be faithful to the comic.

The only difficulty would be finding a way to put a new spin on the design so it wouldn't just be a moving comic.
post #11 of 39
Well when I say "HBO mini-series, I don't neccesarilly mean it has to be on HBO. It's like saying Hoover instead of vacuum, or Tannoy instead of PA system.
post #12 of 39
HBO owns Cinemax. your other alternatives for a series that has free reign are Starz and Showtime. who's got the higher profile? and Rath, you may not like Sex and the City but that certainly does not mean it's crap.

a movie would be too condensed, it does need a series to do it justice. no one would take it seriously if it was animated. and unlike something such as Spawn, the property isn't artistically compelling enough to warrant it, nor is there much in the story that couldn't be done in live-action. the only problem with live-action is the baggage that comes with any actor, but you run into that adapting any property.

my fucked up casting choices?

after seeing Reign of Fire, i could buy Gerard Butler as Jesse.

and i'll take Naomi Watts as Tulip.

Lance Henriksen is Saint of Killers.

Jason Flemyng as Cassidy.

Miguel Ferrer as Starr.
post #13 of 39
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Dave Davis:
Lance Henriksen is Saint of Killers.
Hell YES!
post #14 of 39
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Quote:
Dave Davis:

Lance Henriksen is Saint of Killers.
Oooooh.
post #15 of 39
Is there any way to buy Preacher in a boxed set? All I see is loose issues....i'd love to get into what sounds like a really excellent series. I'd hate to have to buy them seperately, but if I have to I will.
post #16 of 39
two words, my friend: Trade Paperbacks.

start with "Gone to Texas" and go from there.
post #17 of 39
This thread is a lot better now that i've read the first 4 TPBs.

Lance Henriksen as the Saint is PERFECT.
post #18 of 39
And I somehow remember someone scoffing at the idea of Patricia Arquette as Tulip, but I can't picture ANYONE else......
post #19 of 39
Patricia Arquette seems too old now, maybe around the time she made True Romance it could have work but I just dont see it now. Despite all the suggestions of Patrick Stewart as Starr, I still think John Malkovich would be awesome in the role, he has the acting chops to be evil and sadistic one minute then the next be telling a prostitute to put on a strap on dildo.
post #20 of 39
Quote:
The Boondock Saint:
...evil and sadistic one minute then the next be telling a prostitute to put on a strap on dildo.
"Put your head in the toilet, I'm coming".

None more fucked up than Mr Ennis. He's goin' straight to hell...
post #21 of 39
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Quote:
Dan Whitehead vs The Peanut Sisters:
"Put your head in the toilet, I'm coming".

None more fucked up than Mr Ennis. He's goin' straight to hell... D [/QB]
ONE MAN'S WAR is one of my favorite short stories EVER.

And don't forget Bob and Freddy and the Jesus De Sade. Yep, he's going to hell.
post #22 of 39
Ok, after finishing it all i'd have to boycott a feature film.

If this thing isn't done as a mini-series, it just shouldn't be done.
post #23 of 39
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Craptastic Idear of the Day:

Even though Blue Crush was a steaming pile of tripe, I thought Kate Bosworth looked a lot like an okay Tulip. An OKAY Tulip. Good attitude, too.
post #24 of 39
Given that Clint would never touch this property in a zillion years... The only sane choice for Saint of Killers is Seagal. It's about time someone used The Ponytailed One in a Western setting (or pseudo-Western setting).
post #25 of 39
Lance Henricksen has the right demeanor and I guess the right facial look for the part, but I just don't think he's BIG enough to be the Saint. I always got the impression that he was this hulking, larger-than-life monstrosity. Maybe something could be done costume-wise I guess, but Henricksen just really seems too slender to me.

I can't picture Seagal at all, or Joey Lauren Adams as Tulip for that matter.

Not that I have any better ideas. I just know when an idea runs completely counter to what I had envisioned. It's just interesting that even in a visual print medium like comics two readers can get totally different ideas of what a character should look like.

I got the impression from a couple of the posts mentioning Rachel Talalay that there was actually a Preacher project being considered--is this true?
post #26 of 39
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If he can lose the accent, Temura "Jango" Morrison has the look for Jesse.

Of course, when I was watching Ep II today my first thought was that he might make a good SoK.
post #27 of 39
There's an actor out there that, everytime I see him, I immediately think of the Preacher. For the life of me I can't remember who it is now...

I'm bad with names (obvious), so I will stay out of the casting, I just want to thank Dave Davis for letting me borrow his TPBs of this. God fucking GOD what a great story. My job is at risk over here because I can't stop reading the damn things!
post #28 of 39
heh heh. warned ya.
post #29 of 39
You know, I read Salvation last night before I went to bed (which, now that I think about it, probably explains the FUCKED-up dreams), and it occured to me that Ben Affleck would make a really good Jesse Custer.
post #30 of 39
Affleck was supposedly considering it via the Kevin Smith connection a few years back, but thought it was too similarly-themed to Dogma.
post #31 of 39
Just saw One Hour Photo and thought the actor that played Will Yorkin would be note perfect as the Preacher...just slap a drawl on him.
post #32 of 39
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Having just watched Near Dark, I think Kathryn Bigelow would be PERFECT. The tone of Near Dark is the closest to the toen of the comics I have ever seen.

And Lance Henricksen would rule as the Saint.
post #33 of 39
I quite like the idea of Viggo Mortensen as Jesse.

Starr: I can't think of anybody but Sean Pertwee. he's pure evil.

Tulip: I truly don't know. Franka Potente always comes to mind, for some reason. but I don't know if she can do a convincing American accent.

Saint of Killers: Clint or Lance Henriksen. James Coburn maybe.

Cassidy: there are a lot of good Irish actors who could pull this off, and lots who would screw it up. i must say that I quite like Robert Carlyle, since there are certain traits Cassidy has in common with Begbie.

Allfather: indeed, it's Brando or some weird animatronic enhanced dude, I think...
post #34 of 39
Another possible SOK:

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Or would a WWF reject make the movie too lowbrow?
post #35 of 39
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James Coburn would MURDER as the Saint. MURDER.

I get chills just thinking about how cool that would be.

Although I was watching doing a Tombstone-Silverado-Unforgiven fest the other day and was thinking that Scott Glenn or Michael Biehn would do a great job, too.
post #36 of 39
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A search of AICN has Jean Reno rumored as a one-time-contender for the role of SoK, and Carlyle apparently already signed for Cass.

But that was three years ago, and that same search yielded the horrifying suggestion of HEATHER FUCKIN' GRAHAM as Tulip.
post #37 of 39
To me the idea of Reno as SoK is just ridiculous, why is it so unreasonable for the Saint, who is essentially straight out of a western to be played by someone who actually would fit the charecter like Eastwood or Heinrikson. Between the Reno idea and the Samuel L Jackson as the SoK rumour you really have to wonder what makes hollywood so desperate to change a working formula. Jesus soon Cassidy will probably be changed to Cass, a tough vampire from the hood. God knows what kind of work they will do on the Grail if this movie is ever made though. But I swear to christ if the "until the end of the world"/"proud americans" storylines are in the movie and they fuck with them I will throw up. Before I finish ranting though here is my rough dream cast

Jesse-Johnny Depp
Tulip-Naomi Watt
Cass-Ewan McGreggor or Johnny Lee Miller
Starr-Malkovich hopefully in a mix between Shadow of the Vampire and Con Air
Featherstone-Uma Thurman
Hoover-Orlando Jones
SoK-Lance Hienrikson(sp?)
Jody-Micheal Beihn or Powers Booth
TC-Will Patton
Arseface-Jason Biggs
Jesses Mum-Madeline Stowe
Jesses Grandmother-Ellen Barkin under a ton of makeup
post #38 of 39
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Quote:
Henry The Red:

Jody-Micheal Biehn or Powers Booth
Fuckin' genius. Welcome to the boards.
post #39 of 39
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I just had a brainstorm.

Bruce Campbell as Jody, William Fichner as TC, and Chris Cooper as the Duke.
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