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You know, finally Nick comes in to post something and it's to say he's closing the thread for being in the wrong forum

Anyways, here's the link to the previous fun thread (per your instructions Nick):

<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=000265;p=11" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultima...;t=000265;p=11</a>

Looking forward to more enlightening posts, from all Chewers who are fans of Asian cinema, directors, actors, etc.
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Heh, I was waiting for him to comment on the thread somewhere along the line but not to close it. Ah well. Makes sense either way. Shoulda done it far earlier as it was never my intention for the thread to go beyond, I don't know, three posts.

So anyone else think my assessment on Korean films is on the money, or the race hasn't finished yet, or the horse I betted on finished last via a DNF?
post #3 of 8528
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Interesting points, CT, but I think Korean film students watch more American movies than you'd think. Korean film schools aren't anything new. I think what's instigating the change toward better quality domestic outout is the emphasis that is being placed now on creating more films with international and commercial appeal.

When Korean films started gaining popularity in world cinema sometime in the late 90s, it influenced the Korean studios, with generous financial backing from conglomerates like Samsung, to constantly push the envelope (thematically and artistically) within their own films, as it was impossible to compete with Hollywood in terms of production and budget.

<strong>Shiri</strong> may have been the first to break thru the international barriers and make it big in Hong Kong, Japan, Russia and some other parts of Asia. In Japan alone, the film made back its budget and its surprise phenomenal success made the Japanese distributors hungry for more Korean imports, realizing the potential for a future profitable market.

Now there's a stream of Korean blockbusters just waiting to get released over there, and the demand (and mainstream visibility) is getting greater, whereas before it was relegated to arthouse theaters, similar to the US lifecycle of most foreign films.

However, I fear that the freshness and creativity that's evident in a lot of Asian and world cinema today, while it is a welcome change from most recent pasteurized Hollywood product, will start to wear off once the foreign studios realize a "proven" formula and beat it to death. While the number of risky ventures like <strong>Volcano High</strong> (which wasn't as huge in Korea as you'd suspect) and <strong>Resurrection of the Little Match Girl</strong> (which flat out bombed) will start to dwindle.
post #4 of 8528
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khitcher:
Looking forward to more enlightening posts, from all Chewers who are fans of Asian cinema, directors, actors, etc.
Hmm, I guess that means me saying poop, poop, fart is unwanted. Damn.
post #5 of 8528
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Andre Dellamorte:
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khitcher:
Looking forward to more enlightening posts, from all Chewers who are fans of Asian cinema, directors, actors, etc.
Hmm, I guess that means me saying poop, poop, fart is unwanted. Damn.
Say it in a foreign language and I'm sure it'll sound more enlightening
post #6 of 8528
Poop poop, fart.

Waco and I had the opportunity to see Visitor Q at Dellamorte's this weekend and, well, it blew my f'ing mind. Miike seems like a director for whom pushing boundaries is routine, and I cannot recommend this film highly enough to those who think they might be able to endure him at the farthest ends of his spectrums for sex, violence, absurdity and outright slapstick comedy. Faint-hearted? Thought Audition was 'going to far'? Don't even think about it. Visitor Q takes the archetypal family sitcom and tears it to shreds. Insanely hilarious and insanely fucked-up film-making at it's finest.

AD, what region encoding was that dvd? I think I must have it if it's reg1.

dvdpricesearch.com has it listed as:

"Genre: Anime"

Hah!
post #7 of 8528
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What really blew my mind about Visitor Q was how heartfelt and sympathetic Miike was able to paint these nutjobs to be as.

I try to imagine Miike doing something along the lines of <strong>Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer</strong> and I get all giddy inside (and genuinely concerned at the same time).

I've never laughed as loud (for as long as I can remember) as when the father grabs the wrench, screams:

"OK, Come ON!!!" (In Engrish)

And charges his son's bullies eek!

Then again, up until I saw this, <strong>Kung Pow</strong> was my favorite comedy that I'd seen this year so I may be a little fucked in the head to begin with.
post #8 of 8528
Cool insight, Khitcher.

Don't think I've seen many Korean flicks... Tell Me Something was Korean wasn't it? Excellent movie. I actually preferred it to Fincher's Seven.
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Hey I liked Kung Pow too!

Quick question Khitch, in FTK, was that the actors themselves speaking English or were they dubbed? Cause it sounded weird.
post #10 of 8528
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khitcher:
What really blew my mind about Visitor Q was how heartfelt and sympathetic Miike was able to paint these nutjobs to be as.
Oh I definitely agree - as lost as I was in the outright madness of it all (and there is PLENTY) there's a definite undercurrent of something else Entirely going on. Very very cool movie.
post #11 of 8528
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Blunt:
Hey I liked Kung Pow too!

Quick question Khitch, in FTK, was that the actors themselves speaking English or were they dubbed? Cause it sounded weird.
I've been ostracized by friends and family for liking it, but damnit, I was hooked once Leo Lee as young Master Pain (aka Betty) says in Steve Oedekirk's voice: "Open his mouuuuuuth..." in that perfect 70's kung fu dub job

And yup, that's Andy Lau, Simon Yam, and Lam Suet themselves speaking English in FTK.
post #12 of 8528
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Adam L. Blacksmith:
Tell Me Something was Korean wasn't it? Excellent movie. I actually preferred it to Fincher's Seven.
I STILL haven't seen this, and I've had it for over a year. Thanks for reminding me, back on the To Watch queue it goes.
post #13 of 8528
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And Big Black, I have the Region 1 Visitor Q from Media Blasters. Great looking presentation, given its Shot on Video roots. Nice looking slip case, a few trailers, and film/director notes round out a perfect Christmas stocking stuffer
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Well I haven't heard a better recommendation for a movie better then "I actually prefered it to Fincher's Seven."
Looks like after Musa and the like (which I am sworn to get at MusicPlaze) I will be looking into this one.
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Visitor Q has been made availble stateside through Media Blasters. R1 style.
post #16 of 8528
Mystical magic double sandwinching posts!
post #17 of 8528
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How the hell did you do that?
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Ten bucks says this thread is gonna be as long as the previous one in only a few days
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Don't want people thinking Tell Me Something was superior to Seven... That's just a personal opinion. I'm sure most would prefer Fincher's unique style and devilish plot twists.

Only other Korean film I've seen is Ring Virus. Couldn't hold a candle to the Japanese original, although I enjoyed RV's equivalent of the Takayama Ryuji character. Just a totally antisocial bastard.
post #20 of 8528
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khitcher:
How the hell did you do that?
Edited because I know what you're talking about now.....

I have no idea Khitch. I must have the magic fingers.
post #21 of 8528
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Adam L. Blacksmith:
Only other Korean film I've seen is Ring Virus. Couldn't hold a candle to the Japanese original, although I enjoyed RV's equivalent of the Takayama Ryuji character. Just a totally antisocial bastard.
That'd be Jin Young Chung.

Butt ugly to boot, but quite the character actor.

Also terrific as the dogged detective in Guns & Talks, and in Hi Dharma as a kung fu buddhist monk.

Soon to be seen in <strong>Wild Card</strong> (2003) as a hard-boiled veteran cop.
post #22 of 8528
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CTDeLude:
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khitcher:
How the hell did you do that?
Sworn to go to Music Plaza?

My solemn pledge to you my fine friend.
No, how the hell did you manage to post the identical message twice, but 3 minutes apart?

Music Plaza had a sale this weekend. Korean manufactured Heat DVD and a bonus choice of Shiri or The Mission (Joffe edition) for $18.47. I gots The Mission.

I win again, CT wink
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Did Bichunmoo ever get the deleted scenes put back into the movie on DVD?

They say that clears up a lot of holes that are in the story of the theatrical version.
post #24 of 8528
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Blunt:
Ten bucks says this thread is gonna be as long as the previous one in only a few days
Smart bet
post #25 of 8528
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khitcher:
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CTDeLude:
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khitcher:
How the hell did you do that?
Sworn to go to Music Plaza?

My solemn pledge to you my fine friend.
No, how the hell did you manage to post the identical message twice, but 3 minutes apart?

Music Plaza had a sale this weekend. Korean manufactured Heat DVD and a bonus choice of Shiri or The Mission (Joffe edition) for $18.47. I gots The Mission.

I win again, CT wink
Heh yea responded to that.

Is the Joffe edition of The Mission better then the RE that I got?
post #26 of 8528
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khitcher:
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Blunt:
Ten bucks says this thread is gonna be as long as the previous one in only a few days
Smart bet
Yea it should because this thread should get more viewership then what the Hey Khitch thread. Only the diehards knew about the great powers of Khitch.

Now the rest of the world will too.
post #27 of 8528
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Not sure about Bichunmoo's deleted scenes, as I haven't had the chance to probe disc 2's extras. Maybe on a future rainy day (like today, wow)...

By the Joffe edition, I meant Roland Joffe's The Mission, the Cannes winner from 1986(?) starring Jeremy Irons and Robert Deniro. Haven't watched it in a while, and since I already own 2 different versions of Shiri, why not?
post #28 of 8528
I *heart* these threads.

And Khitch.
post #29 of 8528
Misleading!

And wow it is raining!

I'm soaked from lunch.

Ah and for Bichunmoo I thought it was mentioned that the actual deleted scenes were put right back into the movie on one DVD version. Heaven forbid it be the HK version.
post #30 of 8528
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Tony Ryan:
I *heart* these threads.

And Khitch.
The board has been missing some Heart jokes.

The DJ Dylan kind and the loooove kind.
post #31 of 8528
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Tony Ryan:
I *heart* these threads.

And Khitch.
I bask everyday in the love that is the CHUD boards. No need for Christmas turkey or fruitcakes when you have CHUD
post #32 of 8528
Any of you seen Tears of the Black Tiger? It's released here December 25th but I might have a chance of catching just before the end of the theatrical run. Worth the effort?
post #33 of 8528
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Any of you seen Tears of the Black Tiger? It's released here December 25th but I might have a chance of catching just before the end of the theatrical run. Worth the effort?
Haven't seen it. Looks interesting. And I know Khitch or Dave have seen it and gave their recommendation.
post #34 of 8528
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It's on my list of must buy PAL discs when I finally upgrade to a better region free player, but by that time Miramax probably would have tainted it.

I know Dave gave it his Seal of Approval.

Here's a review, courtesy of those swell fellas over at KFC Cinema:

<a href="http://www.kfccinema.com/reviews/action/tearsblacktiger/tearsblacktiger.html" target="_blank">http://www.kfccinema.com/reviews/action/tearsblacktiger/tearsblacktiger.html</a>
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Will try to catch it then.

Btw, was rereading the previous thread and came upon your comments about The Touch and Running out of Time. Did you know they were writtent by a couple of Frenchies?
post #36 of 8528
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Looked them up under imdb.com, and I see the same team did Tsui Hark's Black Mask 2 as well.

I thought they provided a commentary for one of the DVD releases of ROOT (maybe the US Taiseng version?) but I may be mistaken.

Funny, no listed film credits prior to ROOT, which doesn't seem correct.
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Probably because ROOT was their first script wink (which received the HK award for best script if I'm not mistaken).

I've talked a good deal with Julien Carbon because he went on the same chatroom I did. Really great guy, very open to discussion on a lot of topics. I really like him. I remember we used to shower him with questions about the release of Black Mask. I also recall that when I read the first negative review of The Touch on AICN I talked to him about it and his answer was "well don't put the blame on us".

Haven't seen him for a few months though, must be busy working on a new script or some such.
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ROOT has a commentary.
post #39 of 8528
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Blunt:
Probably because ROOT was their first script wink (which received the HK award for best script if I'm not mistaken).

I've talked a good deal with Julien Carbon because he went on the same chatroom I did. Really great guy, very open to discussion on a lot of topics. I really like him. I remember we used to shower him with questions about the release of Black Mask. I also recall that when I read the first negative review of The Touch on AICN I talked to him about it and his answer was "well don't put the blame on us".

Haven't seen him for a few months though, must be busy working on a new script or some such.
That WAS their first script? Interesting. Do you know the backstory on how they landed the gig in the first place?

I think that while the major cause of The Touch's disappointment/failure is due to the unconvincing effects, flat direction and one-dimensional acting, the script really didn't help it much to begin with. Except for Dane Cook's hit/miss dialogue which I would assume was improvised.

Granted, the basic storyline probably didn't give them much room to work with, right off the bat. I know I wouldn't be able to write a better screenplay about a troupe of highly skilled circus performers who are entrusted to guard a sacred scroll which bestows unlimited powers to its possessor
post #40 of 8528
Well perhaps it wasn't the first script they ever wrote but it was their first filmed. Dunno how they landed it, my guess it that they probably went around proposing it to various companies. I'll try asking people in the know or I'll ask it directly to Julien if he ever shows up again.

I haven't even see ROOT yet but it's supposed to come out on R2 DVD next year so I'll definitely check it out.
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Blunt:
Well perhaps it wasn't the first script they ever wrote but it was their first filmed. Dunno how they landed it, my guess it that they probably went around proposing it to various companies.
That seems likely. For some reason that method still works in HK, I guess. Because I read numerous stories about how Caucasian actors looking to break into HK action films showed up in HK Int'l Airport with no contacts or referrals, they call up the phone number of local film companies and ouila, they're in front of the cameras in a matter of weeks (even days). Maybe I should start taking up Tae Kwon Do again

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I haven't even see ROOT yet but it's supposed to come out on R2 DVD next year so I'll definitely check it out.
The current Region 0 from Mei-Ah is not too bad, worth the $7 or so from DDDHouse.
post #42 of 8528
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khitcher:
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Blunt:
Well perhaps it wasn't the first script they ever wrote but it was their first filmed. Dunno how they landed it, my guess it that they probably went around proposing it to various companies.
That seems likely. For some reason that method still works in HK, I guess. Because I read numerous stories about how Caucasian actors looking to break into HK action films showed up in HK Int'l Airport with no contacts or referrals, they call up the phone number of local film companies and ouila, they're in front of the cameras in a matter of weeks (even days). Maybe I should start taking up Tae Kwon Do again

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I haven't even see ROOT yet but it's supposed to come out on R2 DVD next year so I'll definitely check it out.
The current Region 0 from Mei-Ah is not too bad, worth the $7 or so from DDDHouse.
Heck I think that is a perfect idea! Great way to study how they do things.
post #43 of 8528
I'm about to blow a load on some HKL discs, the only one I have right now is The Killer, what are the must haves?

I need some old school kung fu fix fast, and I get paid soon, so why the hell not?
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Wow...Khitch you gotta tell me how Oasis is.

The review at AZNFilms.com is absolutely glowing.
post #45 of 8528
Heya Tony,

Is the City of Lost Souls Region 1 widescreen?

There is some conflicting responses going around.
post #46 of 8528
Yes it is.

The KFCC board is where you read different, right? Nah, DVDplanet has a habbit of just putting in fullscreen when they don't get offical specs.

The release date on the other hand, I have no idea about.
post #47 of 8528
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CTDeLude:
Wow...Khitch you gotta tell me how Oasis is.

The review at AZNFilms.com is absolutely glowing.
Holy Shit, I didn't know Dreamworks partially financed the film and is bringing it stateside. Excellent news. Hope it finds an audience here.

A tremendous, great film. While difficult to watch at times, I really think it's required viewing for everybody, not just Asian cinephiles.
post #48 of 8528
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Tony Ryan:
Yes it is.

The KFCC board is where you read different, right? Nah, DVDplanet has a habbit of just putting in fullscreen when they don't get offical specs.

The release date on the other hand, I have no idea about.
Gotcha...thanks my man.

And yea I read stuff over at the KFCC boards.
post #49 of 8528
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khitcher:
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CTDeLude:
Wow...Khitch you gotta tell me how Oasis is.

The review at AZNFilms.com is absolutely glowing.
Holy Shit, I didn't know Dreamworks partially financed the film and is bringing it stateside. Excellent news. Hope it finds an audience here.

A tremendous, great film. While difficult to watch at times, I really think it's required viewing for everybody, not just Asian cinephiles.
Ah good to hear.

Was Peppermint Candy any good?
post #50 of 8528
And there is a woman with cerebal palasy in Oasis isn't there?
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