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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
What's the deal with Terry Pratchett? Since he earns a very excellent living using the fantasy tropes set up in LOTR, he has a real downer on JRR.

I remember watching a very frustrating documentary on TV just before FOTR came out, where he was saying that while it was okay to think that LOTR was the best book in the world when you were 14, to still think that into adulthood was... I forget the rest but along the lines of "mentally ill". He also said (I'm sure it was him, there were various other condescending literary types on) that the use of the declarative voice in the later third of the book was "unbearable".

I don't know if I'd call it the best book in the world, but considering how he earns his living, the remarks were ungenerous to say the least.

In all justice, however, he did point out (again, I'm sure it was him) that critical arty types hated the fact that the book was so popular because it was something they couldn't control, or take away from people.

Now I'm not saying that everybody has to love Tolkien (I get the whole free country thing) but his remarks here seem a little mean-spirited. When I win an award, I do not shit on other authors, dead or otherwise:

<a href="http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_627266.html?menu=" target="_blank">http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_627266.html?menu=</a>

On the other hand, maybe his remarks here are shorn of their context by Ananova to seem controversial.

On the other hand again, I know from listening to Pratchett speak a couple of times that he does have issues, valid issues, with the way that people who work with fantasy and sci-fi are overlooked and marginalised, and he's an opinionated character. I'm not taking away from his work, which I really enjoy and which he genuinely infuses with a passionate moral worldview.

But I do also feel that he sees so far because he stands on the shoulders of giants, and that he would do well to keep this in mind. My understanding is that he's been more or less continuously in print from a very young age, and this might have had an affect upon his sense of perspective.

Verdict: A sound thrashing and a caution is in order.

Would the other judges like to speak?
post #2 of 15
He needs a good kicking.
post #3 of 15
And take that bastard hat off as well.
post #4 of 15
How many hands you got, Alice?
post #5 of 15
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Z-Man:
How many hands you got, Alice?
I count about 5. No?

And Pratchett is just a sour puss.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
&lt;Rapidly thrusting various alien appendages back in her pockets, whilst holding out the two "dummy" hands&gt;

Just two... why do you ask?

I see Terry's defense lawyer is late. He better not try to appeal or else I will be forced to raise his sentence to a damn good stomping, to be honest. More I think about it, the more his behaviour sucks.
post #7 of 15
First, never trust Ananova. This is one of the most unreliable websites there is.

Second, I don't know what gets you guys all up in arms. I see nothing shocking in here, just a guy behaving just like he writes. It's pretty obvious to me that Pratchett is just joking here.
post #8 of 15
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Bluntmatt:
First, never trust Ananova. This is one of the most unreliable websites there is.

Second, I don't know what gets you guys all up in arms. I see nothing shocking in here, just a guy behaving just like he writes. It's pretty obvious to me that Pratchett is just joking here.
Well, I think he is joking, in the main. His remarks about action figures and so forth are purely facetious.

But I don't think he's joking when he implies that Tolkien's take on good and evil is more shallow than his own. Like I say, I've heard him diss the Prof before.

There's nothing wrong with one author not liking another one's works (and he doesn't say he doesn't like him, but he implies constantly that enjoying Tolkien is a pleasure fit only for juvenile minds).

What I do question is dissing said works when the majority of your own body of work is an almost direct stealing of the conventions set up in said works.

And besides, Pratchett has a distinct 'tude. I've met him a few times in my bookshop life, and heard him speak publically on numerous occasions. At one signing, I remember that if a fan brought in dusty old paperbacks (clearly much read and loved) to be signed, he would sigh and put on plastic gloves in order to sign them.

He said the dust irritated his skin. Very possibly it did, I work with books and know this happens. However, there was just *something* in the way he did it. Something I thought was disrespectful. He struck me as someone that didn't have a lot of time for the teenaged wanna-be-rocker, D-and-D playing (and dare I say it, LOTR-loving) boys that constitute his main fan base.

But, I could be wrong. He was certainly never rude to *me* or the other till monkeys, and I've met authors I've liked a lot less. But I've met him a few times now and I'm quite sure that there is a bit of a 'tude there. Most definitely.
post #9 of 15
Well, I guess in the end I could care less about the behavior as long as I enjoy the books. That said, I wouldn't exactly call what Pratchett does a direct steal of the basic fantasy that Tolkien instated, since Pratchett has established a set of rules of his own. Besides, you'd be hard pressed to accuse anyone of ripping off Tolkien, who himself took a great deal of inspiration from nordic and celtic legends. I have to say though, that his remarks about Tolkien's conception of evil being shallower than his own strikes me as a bit odd, since I've never felt reading Pratchett that the guy took himself much seriously. There are some depictions of pure evil in his books but they are the butt of jokes more often than note (notably in their demise).
post #10 of 15
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AliceInWonderland is a Wage Slave:
I remember that if a fan brought in dusty old paperbacks (clearly much read and loved) to be signed, he would sigh and put on plastic gloves in order to sign them.
Sounds like Pratchett has a touch of OCD.
post #11 of 15
If Terry Pratchett is ripping off anyone it's Douglas Addams.
post #12 of 15
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sleeplesslumber:
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AliceInWonderland is a Wage Slave:
I remember that if a fan brought in dusty old paperbacks (clearly much read and loved) to be signed, he would sigh and put on plastic gloves in order to sign them.
Sounds like Pratchett has a touch of OCD.
I am recalling the movie "As Good As It Gets"
post #13 of 15
Yes! Yes, you must give us all a good spanking!!
post #14 of 15
Pratchett = Tolkien x Monty Python (+ Douglas Adams)
post #15 of 15
While I love Douglas Adams, Pratchett is a much better wordsmith than Adams ever was. It's easy to confuse a form of humor with the style of one practioner of it, but that's like saying Eddie Izzard is ripping off Robin Williams because they're both phenomenal improvisational comedians with a flair for self-referential material. A sense of humour is inherent to the PERSON, then gets translated into the material. You can rip off ideas and plot points, but you can't steal a sense of humour.

"That said, I wouldn't exactly call what Pratchett does a direct steal of the basic fantasy that Tolkien instated, since Pratchett has established a set of rules of his own. Besides, you'd be hard pressed to accuse anyone of ripping off Tolkien, who himself took a great deal of inspiration from nordic and celtic legends."

And herin may (and note I said *may*) lie the problem. I've seen so many authors be accused of ripping off Tolkein, including Joe Straczynski with Babylon5. It's going to get under your skin at times, espescially if you're not a fan of Tolkien's style.
I've seen the same thing in the horror genre with everyone getting compared to Anne Rice, who may a great storyteller, but her actual wordsmithing is...well, let's just say I prefer to wait for the movies.
Again, I have no idea if that's related to this issue at all, but judging from the times I've seen him speak, it's a reasonable assumption.

Regardless of your opinion of the man, however, if you ever DO get a chance to see him live, do so. Like Harlan Ellison, he's worth WATCHING, even if you don't agree with him.
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