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post #1 of 84
Thread Starter 
This is pretty long, but I thought it made interesting reading, even though I don't agree with everything stated in the text.

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots".

Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?

Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid," "ignorant," "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney: earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell: was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
Ed Asner: Completed High school Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican.

By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held.

When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace?
Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Kumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime.

President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
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Oh, i can't wait for the rebuttals.

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post #3 of 84
Popping corn as we speak, new conspiracy theories always fascinate me.
post #4 of 84
Thank you.
post #5 of 84
**Odd Double Post, Sorry**

post #6 of 84
Thread Starter 
Now, I didn't say that these were my views, just that I thought the article was interesting. Also, it came to me in an email, so I can't quote a source. Sorry, guys.
post #7 of 84
Thank you, anyway.
post #8 of 84
Thread Starter 
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Avalon:
Thank you, anyway.
Anytime, sweets.
post #9 of 84
I got that e-mail a while back.

Wisdom comes from experience plus assessment, not necessarily schooling. That said, I believe most in Hollywood (and on that list) have neither. Those with all that education might be lacking elsewhere.

All take, I do think Condi Rice is one of the smartest people on the planet, and I think Colin has far more integrity than any who have attempted to besmirch him to further their own narrow cause.

It's written with an obvious bias. I doubt the writer loved Clinton, and he was a very intelligent, educated man.

Thanks for sharing here,
Chuck
post #10 of 84
Two things: I didn't know that schooling was important to be an actor. Who cares what level of education these people have? And when did you guys get so elitist that only people with PhDs are allowed to have opinions?

And maybe you should look into Noam Chomsky. That guy's fairly bright.

Second:
"President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)"

What do the results of GUBERNATORIAL election have to do with his presidency? Let's talk about the popular vote of the year 2000.

And he went to a good school.. What was his GPA?
post #11 of 84
PS If you believe the "facts" you get in an email forward without any citations, well... Just trying to imagine which side of the "smart" divide that falls on.
post #12 of 84
Thank you Kitty!!! I've been "laughing" at these uneducated folks for weeks. Also, it is becoming apparent that you can become an expert on foreign culture by visiting a country's finest resorts and spas and isolating youself from its said country's inhabitants much like they do at home. Now if people like James Woods or David Duchovny and/or Mira Sorvino and Lisa Kudrow would like to weigh in, I might listen a little harder. To each his own though I guess.


You might find this interesting too.

HOLLYWOOD (Reuters) - They really said it -- notable quotes from the news:

"If you ever write about my family again, I will (expletive) find you and I will (expletive) hurt you."

==TIM ROBBINS at a post-Oscars party to a Washington Post reporter who had written about LENORA TOMALIN, conservative mother of Robbins' liberal girlfriend SUSAN SARANDON.

Tsk, tsk, tsk Tim. Violence only begets violence.
post #13 of 84
Actually, I think David Duchovny has weighed in and declared himself against the war. Or so I've read.

And what I see is that most of those "uneducated" actors are able to express themselves far more clearly and all seem much more intelligent than Mr Bush. End of story.
post #14 of 84
Actually, that brought Tim up a notch in my book.
post #15 of 84
Some of the dumbest people I ever knew, I met in college.

One of my old roommates was a complete idiot. His dad is a big time lawyer in Chicago. The idiot gets into law school.

Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. Does that mean Republicans don't think he committed to stupid policy?

There are just as many educated people (not on the president's staff) that are against the war. How do you throw away their opinion?

This article is meaningless.
post #16 of 84
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sweaterbydarwin:
Thank you Kitty!!! I've been "laughing" at these uneducated folks for weeks. Also, it is becoming apparent that you can become an expert on foreign culture by visiting a country's finest resorts and spas and isolating youself from its said country's inhabitants much like they do at home. Now if people like James Woods or David Duchovny and/or Mira Sorvino and Lisa Kudrow would like to weigh in, I might listen a little harder. To each his own though I guess.
Wait, so if they're CONSERVATIVE you'll listen. I don't think James Woods or Mira Sorvino are any great geniuses.

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sweaterbydarwin:
You might find this interesting too.

HOLLYWOOD (Reuters) - They really said it -- notable quotes from the news:

"If you ever write about my family again, I will (expletive) find you and I will (expletive) hurt you."

==TIM ROBBINS at a post-Oscars party to a Washington Post reporter who had written about LENORA TOMALIN, conservative mother of Robbins' liberal girlfriend SUSAN SARANDON.

Tsk, tsk, tsk Tim. Violence only begets violence.
This is just dumb. Comparing a man's stance on solving global problems with how he deals with people attacking his family is silly.
post #17 of 84
Thread Starter 
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
PS If you believe the "facts" you get in an email forward without any citations, well... Just trying to imagine which side of the "smart" divide that falls on.
Funny, I don't remember typing that these were my beliefs. I DO remember typing that my beliefs were not the same as stated in the article. I posted this as a topic of discussion. Nothing more.
post #18 of 84
Meaningless, yes.

But the opposite thoughts some have expressed here is also amusing.

It's amazing how only smart people ever agree with you, and dumb people never get it.

The article addresses the attacks and personal slanders, not the approach to war. Tony Blair has also expressed views on the war, far superior to any by Bush, and FAR superior to any by Hollywood players.

Take care,
Chuck
post #19 of 84
obviously you've never met mira, but that's another thread.
post #20 of 84
And I do believe that James Woods is a certified genius. Based on some articles I read, he is supposedly pretty damn smart.

So is Ed Norton. So is Dave Fincher. And Steven Soderbergh. There are geniuses in Hollywood. Barbra Streisand is NOT one of them.

Take care,
Chuck
post #21 of 84
Just so you know...

Bush had a better GPA in college than Gore and Bush's testing (sorry forgot the test or if it was actual GPA) was only a little below the well educated and quite intelligent Bill Bradley.

In fact Gore wasn't the academic what so ever.
post #22 of 84
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First Class 782:
Meaningless, yes.

But the opposite thoughts some have expressed here is also amusing.

It's amazing how only smart people ever agree with you, and dumb people never get it.

The article addresses the attacks and personal slanders, not the approach to war. Tony Blair has also expressed views on the war, far superior to any by Bush, and FAR superior to any by Hollywood players.

Take care,
Chuck
Uh, Chuck? I didn't state an opposing view. I simply thanked her twice for posting it. With a thumbs up, I do believe. I support the men named above, though I don't think higher education has anything to do with it. I am not a college graduate.
post #23 of 84
Actually, dude, from a purely academic standpoint James Woods and Mira Sorvino are quite accomplished. That doesn't really mean anything, because a simple agenda can re-arrange what you "know" with scary results.

This has nothing to do with the article, but I have long wished I could become reasonably wealthy from either writing or playing bass. I long for the days that I have 40 hours a week free to read up on things in detail and actually continue to educate myself. It's crazy to think that many celebrities don't take advantage of the amount of time they have to do such things. Granted, we probably are not hearing from these guys, just the clowns.

The smart ones probably realize that when a celebrity proselytizes, they preach to the choir and piss off the opposition.
post #24 of 84
Quote:
Swords N' CTDeLude:
Just so you know...

Bush had a better GPA in college than Gore and Bush's testing (sorry forgot the test or if it was actual GPA) was only a little below the well educated and quite intelligent Bill Bradley.

In fact Gore wasn't the academic what so ever.
I missed what Gore or Bill Bradley had to do with this thread. You seem unable to defend your president on his own terms.

And what WAS Bush's GPA, Delude? How did this Yalie Legacy Admission do in school?
post #25 of 84
Avalon,
I didn't direct that at anyone, and certainly not at you. It wasn't a dig at any member. Sorry for the confusion eek!

Take care,
Chuck

PS - I don't necessarily put a lot of stock into higher education. Application of lessons learned can be done by anyone. When all is said and done, those degrees simply illustrate that the members of the administration are capable of thought, if nothing else. It says nothing about the conclusions they come to.

post #26 of 84
I was only clarifying for myself, Chuck. I wanted to make it clear that I found it a great read. Complete with two thumbs up. I am for higher education, but to me, it does not apply in regards to this topic.
post #27 of 84
Actors sound like blowhards and uninformed, naive idiots when they discuss foreign policy. They find a sound bite they like based on how clever it sounds, regardless of whether it actually makes sense in any way, and then look like children when they are incapable of debating and actually discussing the issues at hand.

Conservatives in Hollywood are keeping their opinions to themselves. I for one would be a lot more interested in what Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, and Bruce Willis think about a war than Janeane Garafalo, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn think, but that's just me. But hey, pretentious sissies are more camera friendly.
post #28 of 84
Some dumbass posted this on another board I frequent and tried to pass it off as his own.

It was supposedly written by some woman named Cindy Osborne, but no one seems to know exactly who that is or where it originated. Snopes basically confirms the info contained (though clears up a few things). They add...

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As to the point of this piece, it's safe to say that those who hold high positions in federal government generally have more formal education and more on-the-job experience in politics and government than film actors do, that they are privy to a large amount of information the general public does not have access to, and that they are therefore better qualified to make important policy decisions than the average actor.

The question posed by the title -- "Who's smarter?" -- isn't so easily answered. Graduating college or holding elected office exposes people to new ideas and concepts and imbues them with practical experience, but those paths don't necessarily make people "smarter," nor is treading those paths necessary for one to become a competent politician or political analyst. Some very highly regarded U.S. presidents had little or no formal education (Abraham Lincoln), did not attend college (Harry Truman), or had no previous experience holding elective office (Dwight Eisenhower), and one (Ronald Reagan) even began his career as a film actor. On the other hand, some very well-educated and intelligent men with experience in governmental administration who served as chief executive of the U.S. (Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter) frequently show up on rosters of "worst U.S. presidents."
I find the whole idea that artists should not be responding to the war to be repulsive. Let's face it. This essay has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with partisanship. Conservatives should probably just face it. Better artists tend to be liberal. Not always, but most often. And art has always had something to say about politics.

It is interesting that the final weirdo rant from the writer polishes the knob of one Ronald Reagan, who only has a BA from Eureka College, a liberal arts school.
post #29 of 84
And the side he "represents" doesn't propogate the same? He just makes me laugh that's all and I like Tim Robbins...as an actor. But, he uses his position in the media and the subsequent public stage to voice his opinions and when that same stage turns on him he get's pissed. Do you suppose if the reporter asked a similar question in regard to some conservative's liberal family member he would have taken the same moral stance? "Leave his family alone!" I doubt it. I could care less about his in-laws opinions but his reaction because he doesn't agree with the angle is in stark contrast to his usual rhetoric.

Do you think it was out-of-bounds that the reporter asked the question? I mean Tim Robbins is not just a face in the crowd in regards to the peace movement. He like his "girlfriend" and people like Marty Sheen are at the forefront in the US. Because of that, divergent opinions in his own family are "interesting" to people. Hypothetically, would expect a reporter to not ask the same question to say Rush Limbaugh if a family member of his was marching in anti-war protests? But again, to each his own.

I respect but don't agree with most of your opinions Devin but that doesn't make everything said in contrast to your opinion any less valid. Nor does it make me want to blast everything you post just to prove that I don't agree. And lord knows we all know your opinion on this subject by now.
post #30 of 84
"Better artists tend to be liberal."

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd like proof on that. That sounds like a very simple generalization which could be based on an infinite number of outside elements.

Take care,
Chuck
post #31 of 84
You're going to keep hearing it.
post #32 of 84
Quote:
Stew:
Actors sound like blowhards and uninformed, naive idiots when they discuss foreign policy. They find a sound bite they like based on how clever it sounds, regardless of whether it actually makes sense in any way, and then look like children when they are incapable of debating and actually discussing the issues at hand.
How does that make them different from, say, you?

Quote:
Conservatives in Hollywood are keeping their opinions to themselves. I for one would be a lot more interested in what Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, and Bruce Willis think about a war than Janeane Garafalo, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn think, but that's just me. But hey, pretentious sissies are more camera friendly.
So you find it interesting only to hear those who you already know agree with you?
post #33 of 84
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war
Wait, so if they're CONSERVATIVE you'll listen. I don't think James Woods or Mira Sorvino are any great geniuses.
James Woods went to a little school in New England called Massachusetts Institute of Technology-M.I.T for short. He even notified the Airline that he suspected the Arabs on his flight were going to hijack it-he was a month off.
Yep Devin your right AGAIN, he's a dummy.

Mira Sorvino is a Harvard Grad who speaks fluent Mandarin. she must be stupid too.
post #34 of 84
so picasso was better than matisse?
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I dated a lovely Harvard grad who spoke six languages and couldn't operate an ATM.
post #36 of 84
Glad to hear it, Dev. Do me a favor and join me in the Tex thread for a moment, will you please?
post #37 of 84
Quote:
First Class 782:
"Better artists tend to be liberal."

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd like proof on that. That sounds like a very simple generalization which could be based on an infinite number of outside elements.

Take care,
Chuck
Liberals tend to be forward-thinking. It's generally accepted that great art has to break from current norms (whether it's by embracing the old, as was done in the Renaissance or going forward) to be considered "great."

There have certainly been great artists who were conservative, but there are far fewer I can think of.

No, Ted Nugent doesn't count.
post #38 of 84
Uhh.. huh?
post #39 of 84
Quote:
The Hour of BewilderDaveB-east:
Quote:
First Class 782:
"Better artists tend to be liberal."

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd like proof on that. That sounds like a very simple generalization which could be based on an infinite number of outside elements.

Take care,
Chuck
Liberals tend to be forward-thinking. It's generally accepted that great art has to break from current norms (whether it's by embracing the old, as was done in the Renaissance or going forward) to be considered "great."

There have certainly been great artists who were conservative, but there are far fewer I can think of.

No, Ted Nugent doesn't count.
I made a thread about this a while ago. It's really hard to find conservo artists, especially musicians.
post #40 of 84
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What do the results of GUBERNATORIAL election have to do with his presidency? Let's talk about the popular vote of the year 2000
Since when does poplular vote have anything to do with a presidential election?

Anyway, I also recieved this in an e-mail complete with link, but I erased it. I'll see if I can get it back for ya.

This article proves nothing on why "war is right" and "peace is wrong". In fact, I don't think it makes that contention. The point is about personal attacks calling the Bush admin a bunch of idiots, when it is clearly not the case.

I wish they would have printed Condoleeza Rice's accomplishments. From what I have heard, that would take up half the page.
post #41 of 84
"Since when does poplular vote have anything to do with a presidential election?"

Since when does the breakdown of who voted for him in what counties have anything to do with his smarts? The author of this poorly reasoned piece brought popularity into it, not me.
post #42 of 84
Thread Starter 
Just for you, Smirk...

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.
post #43 of 84
In truth, I'd just as soon listen to Michael Jackson speak on child rearing than listen to most actors conservative or liberal talk about anything other than acting and their roles. I guess that's why I want to turn Redford's face into a fur-filled bombers cap.
post #44 of 84
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Smirk is Anonymous:
I wish they would have printed Condoleeza Rice's accomplishments. From what I have heard, that would take up half the page.
doesn't matter 'cause she is a "token of the bush administration."
post #45 of 84
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
I dated a lovely Harvard grad who spoke six languages and couldn't operate an ATM.
and if you've ever hung around with most hollywood people, most of them don't either.
post #46 of 84
<strong>[/QUOTE]How does that make them different from, say, you?</strong>[/QUOTE]

Ouch, a cheap comeback ignoring any of my posts. Great. Around here people debate the issues. Hell even Devin sometimes uses intelligent, well-researched, positions and actually counters the arguments for war. When I make statements I have facts, historical examples, and an opinion on the actual issues of the day. All Hoolywood does is yell "No blood for oil" and "Bush is stupid" in a few different variations. When Sean Penn goes to Iraq, gets shown around for half a day exactly what Saddam wants him to see, and then comes back acting like an all-knowing prophet he looks dangerous and pathetically naive. And he's sadly the maybe the "smartest" of the bunch.

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So you find it interesting only to hear those who you already know agree with you?
What a stupid statement. Why would I be here talking to the leftist fringe on this board for sizable portions of my days if that was the case? The Left in Hollywood has ranted forever. How many conservatives have you heard? Probably none. That's my point. It would be interesting to hear someone in Hollywood who doesn't the Michael Moore/Susan Sarandon hype machine. But they probably see it as not the business of an actor and keep it to themselves.
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First Class 782:
"Better artists tend to be liberal."

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd like proof on that. That sounds like a very simple generalization which could be based on an infinite number of outside elements.

Take care,
Chuck
I think more accurately you could say "liberals have more artistic tendancies." I'm an artist, I tend to hang out with artists and live in a community that is full of and geared toward artists. In my experience artists are far more liberal "generally" than the nine-to-fiver's I know and work with. Or course, my roommate is a writer and ex-marine who is blazingly pro-war, yet socially very liberal. My favorite writer, Kurt Vonnegut, wrote one of the most pro-war novels I've ever read. He could also be considered a liberal. I am usually branded one, but I disagree with so many things on both sides that it's impossible for me to align myself with either one.

Without census data I think this is winless argument.
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That's the funniest post I've EVER read on these boards.
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
I dated a lovely Harvard grad who spoke six languages and couldn't operate an ATM.
You never like to admit when your wrong do you? How come you didn't check your various sources on Woods and Sorvino?
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I thought liberals were the ones who were snotty about education? I'm just pointing out that graduating from a good school doesn't make you a fucking genius.

And graduating a bad school, or not going to school, does not make you any dumber than someone who did graduate a good school.
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