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post #51 of 63
3/26/03 at 3:18pm
That's just it. No one is CONCLUDING anything. These are ALL just assumptions. My point is that the possibility/probability of these deaths as execution must be taken seriously and are just as likely as the opposite. I just don't understand how it could be considered a stretch to assume these guys were summarily executed after capture/surrender. Especially considering the participants and the circumstances.

Of course, to conclude emphatically that these were executions would be premature. So would dismissing the notion outright due to political bias and/or a complete distrust of the U.S. government and war media.
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post #52 of 63
3/26/03 at 3:19pm
Sorry, Devin, for not continuing my side of the discussion; other things came up.

Also, the mechanics were supposedly executed when they jumped off the truck with their hands in the air trying to surrender. Just the facts; no argument.
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post #53 of 63
3/26/03 at 3:47pm
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killbotfactory:
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Jacob Singer:
The evidence, which is still under investigation, is from one eyewitness report that some of the soldiers of that mechanic's group were executed in public in front of villagers.
Who is this eyewitness and who interviewed them?
I think this was picked up in cell phone chatter, like the reports that Saddam was taken out of his bunker on a stretcher after the first day, but I could be wrong.
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post #54 of 63
3/26/03 at 3:54pm
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We'll find out what happened when one of the POWs gets a movie on the PAX Channel.
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post #55 of 63
3/26/03 at 5:29pm
[quote]killbotfactory:
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So they supposedly were trying to surrender, and they each let the Iraqi's come up and shoot them in the head close range? And then the Iraqi's dragged them to another location and bandaged their wounds?
I would think the chain of events if this was true, would be that they were captured, fixed up so they didn't die, pumped for info, and then killed.
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post #56 of 63
3/27/03 at 2:51pm
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killbotfactory:
And now <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36959-2003Mar27.html" target="_blank">Tony Blair</a> is claiming they executed British soldiers. Amazing how our soldiers are invincible to Iraqi bullets unless surrendering.
Well, that stands to reason when the soldiers are a hundred miles away lobbing missiles.

But I don't know if these soldiers were murdered, I just pointed out how they could have been using the points you outlined. Haven't they said that five of them have bullet hits to the forehead? Sounds pretty dicey.

Also, I guess now they're thinking the soldiers had their hands up when they were supposedly shot close up. That's why their hands weren't tied. And even if they were tied up when they were shot, they would have certainly been untied before the cameras started broadcasting the footage, wouldn't you think?
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post #57 of 63
3/27/03 at 3:37pm
Been slammed forever, but this is the link to Al Jazeera's official website:

<a href="http://english.aljazeera.net" target="_blank">http://english.aljazeera.net</a>
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post #58 of 63
3/27/03 at 3:42pm
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Carl Cunningham®:
Been slammed forever, but this is the link to Al Jazeera's official website:

<a href="http://english.aljazeera.net" target="_blank">http://english.aljazeera.net</a>
this link doesnt work
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post #59 of 63
3/27/03 at 4:24pm
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killbotfactory:
I've heard lots of claims about the video, like Iraqis dancing jigs over the bodies, bullets between the eyes or forehead, Iraqis playing with the bodies, and now you're saying you heard five of them have bullet wounds to the head. Well, I downloaded and watched the video and that's all false. They have irregular wounds all over their bodies, one or two with head wounds that aren't between the eyes or in their center forehead. They can spread these rumors because thye know that most people won't take the time to find and download the video to verify their claims.
I took the "five guys with bullet holes in the head" from CNN...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/27/sprj.irq.pows.executed/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/27/sprj.irq.pows.executed/index.html</a>

...this was before I saw the video, which I now have. I don't know if they're even talking about the same video.

I would say that in the video you provided a link to, not all of those soldiers were executed. But the couple with holes in their heads look like it's a good possibility. Those corpses are fresh...look at the blood pooled up under their heads. The ones with head shots looked to be new kills, at least to me.
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post #60 of 63
3/27/03 at 4:28pm
One way or another, if there were/are executions of Coalition POWs we'll definitely find out. Because either the current POWs will tell us everything that happened in detail upon their eventual release... or they themselves will be killed and there you have it.
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post #61 of 63
3/27/03 at 4:47pm
Sadly, on 60 Minutes last night (I believe), a former Iraqi Officer who has been in contact with current Iraqi military speculated or at least intimated that the surviving POWs are now a permanent fixture in Saddam's entrourage. I hope this is not the case but it would not be surprising.
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post #62 of 63
3/27/03 at 4:54pm
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killbotfactory
But there really isn't much blood, is there? I would expect quite a bit more. Where is a forensics expert when you need one?[/QB]
Yeah, that would be good, and I imagine we have guys looking at it. But I don't think they were actually shot where they lay. If they were executed, they would have been shot outside and dragged in, most likely. Just the way most of those other bodies look a little older...there's no fresh blood coming from their wounds, at least not as I recall. Even the guy who they show a close up of his side wound was dry. These two weren't. Of course, it proves nothing, I just find it interesting. Plus, it's really kind of hard to make out detail in this compressed video file. Maybe in the broadcast footage it's easier to see head wounds. I mean, CNN says five. I see two definites. It's just hard to make out.
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post #63 of 63
3/27/03 at 5:03pm
This discussion has turned decidedly ghoulish.
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