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post #1 of 22
3/26/03 at 10:26am
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2887555.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2887555.stm</a>
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post #2 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:14am
Oh shit. God only knows what's happening that isn't getting major news coverage.
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post #3 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:51am
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?

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post #4 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:54am
And Carl brings oranges to an apple debate.
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post #5 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:58am
I'm bringing nothing... nor am I necessarily entering the debate. Just asking a question.
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post #6 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:58am
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Carl Cunningham®:
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?
Carl

I haven't supported the bombing of civilians or a shoot to kill policy in N.Ireland.
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post #7 of 22
3/26/03 at 11:59am
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The Watcher:

I haven't supported the bombing of civilians or a shoot to kill policy in N.Ireland.
But do you support the occupation of Northern Ireland by British military and police forces?
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post #8 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:12pm
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Carl

No I don't but then there is the arguement that perhaps the "occupation" saved lives etc
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post #9 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:16pm
Once again the trust news organizations place in the Iraqi officals is mind boggling.

According to the Red Cross, the last time I checked, there was a total of one civilian dead.

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post #10 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:20pm
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Swords N' CTDeLude:
Once again the trust news organizations place in the Iraqi officals is mind boggling.

According to the Red Cross, the last time I checked, there was a total of one civilian dead.
as is the trust put in allied control news stories

FYI Sky News showed the impact of the TWO CRUISE MISSILES after they hit the market in Baghdad
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post #11 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:20pm
Delude, the Reuters reporter SAW 15 corpses. Your lacky-ism when it comes to this administration is frightening. I don't think any other pro-war person on this board would believe only one civilian has dies (especially as 5 were killed on that Syrian bus, but hey).

Actually, the death toll counted at <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.net" target="_blank">www.iraqbodycount.net</a> seems LOW to me.
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post #12 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:26pm
I also find it humourous that it is believed only one side has a agenda.

BBC has painted the picture that this war is going horribly and we are being defeated at every turn.

Simply not true.

As for civilian casualties...sure there is probably a lot more.

But considering that fact far more could have died...well I count ourselves lucky that more haven't died as expected.

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post #13 of 22
3/26/03 at 12:34pm
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Delude - i'd be surprised if anyone believes that only one side has an agenda - as far as I can see ALL parties involved have lied, spun the truth and acted in an illegal fashion to one degree ro another.
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post #14 of 22
3/26/03 at 1:08pm
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2888429.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2888429.stm</a>
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post #15 of 22
3/27/03 at 3:10am
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The Watcher:
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Carl Cunningham®:
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?
Carl

I haven't supported the bombing of civilians or a shoot to kill policy in N.Ireland.
Whilst I likewise do not support our involvment in Northern Ireland I have to ask how the situation where troops are stationed in your own country is comparable to that of invading another country?
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post #16 of 22
3/27/03 at 3:12am
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BBC has painted the picture that this war is going horribly and we are being defeated at every turn.
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This is bullshit. Perhaps you might care to supply the myriad of stories that supposedly exist that state that we are being defeated at every turn.
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post #17 of 22
3/27/03 at 4:42am
I just walked past the TV screen a couple of minutes ago and caught something weird by accident. There's this live press conference with SOme British officer on NBC right now and a reporter asked about some Iraqi civilians that were killed.

Something about "20 killed the other day, would you like to apologize...." The british officer says something like "i don't know what you're talking about" and starts saying something else and then.......CUT TO A NBC WAR COVERAGE PROMO (your #1 news source...blah,blah,blah).

.....then CUT BACK to the british guy talking about something different when the promo was done.

Wha....?
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post #18 of 22
3/27/03 at 4:56am
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Carl Cunningham®:
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?
Actually, Northern Ireland is a great example of how using military muscle to fight terrorism only makes the situation worse. The harder England squeezed Northern Ireland, the more determined and violent the IRA became. I can see post-war Iraq being a lot like Northern Ireland in the 70s.

If Bush and Blair genuinely believe that this war will curb terrorism, they're not paying attention to history.
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post #19 of 22
3/27/03 at 7:18am
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Dan Whitehead:
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Carl Cunningham®:
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?
Actually, Northern Ireland is a great example of how using military muscle to fight terrorism only makes the situation worse. The harder England squeezed Northern Ireland, the more determined and violent the IRA became. I can see post-war Iraq being a lot like Northern Ireland in the 70s.

If Bush and Blair genuinely believe that this war will curb terrorism, they're not paying attention to history.
Damn right! If Bush or Blair genuinely believe that this war in Iraq is going to reduce terrorism and make the world safer for the US/Westerners then they are being very naive.

Every orphan produced in this war is a potential terrorist with an axe to grind against the US/UK in 10-20 years time.
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post #20 of 22
3/27/03 at 8:28am
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I suspect you may be right about an increase/commencement of terrorism from Iraq - against any peacekeeping force as well as directly against US/UK, but dont forget alot of people in the middle east and more importantly within the UK and US, who are moderate/liberal in their thinking, will now become extremist in their views. I have seen this happen first hand in a number of countries.

I strongly believe that the level and type of terrorism will shadow anything that has come beforehand.
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post #21 of 22
3/27/03 at 9:12pm
At the same time, kicking back and doing nothing would be just as harmful. If the Arabs that talked to Thomas Friedman on his Discovery Channel special last night are any indication, we aren't doing enough to help free them from repressive regimes.
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post #22 of 22
3/27/03 at 9:24pm
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Dan Whitehead:
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Carl Cunningham®:
Watcher, I'm curious... are you as persistent in your utter disdain for military action when it comes to the troubles in Northern Ireland? Or is it only when it's timely and convenient for you?
Actually, Northern Ireland is a great example of how using military muscle to fight terrorism only makes the situation worse. The harder England squeezed Northern Ireland, the more determined and violent the IRA became. I can see post-war Iraq being a lot like Northern Ireland in the 70s.

If Bush and Blair genuinely believe that this war will curb terrorism, they're not paying attention to history.
How is this the same situation? The USA proper is not the overlord of Iraq the way England was/is over Northern Ireland. In that case the terrorists were fighting what amounts to a civil war. As long as we don't occupy Iraq for too long, any terrorists generated would not apply to your thesis ie they'd be pro-saddamites.
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