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Iraq Faces Massive U.S. Missile Barrage
WASHINGTON, Jan. 24, 2003

They're calling it "A-Day," A as in airstrikes so devastating they would leave Saddam's soldiers unable or unwilling to fight.

If the Pentagon sticks to its current war plan, one day in March the Air Force and Navy will launch between 300 and 400 cruise missiles at targets in Iraq. As CBS News Correspondent David Martin reports, this is more than number that were launched during the entire 40 days of the first Gulf War.

On the second day, the plan calls for launching another 300 to 400 cruise missiles.

"There will not be a safe place in Baghdad," said one Pentagon official who has been briefed on the plan.

"The sheer size of this has never been seen before, never been contemplated before," the official said.

The battle plan is based on a concept developed at the National Defense University. It's called "Shock and Awe" and it focuses on the psychological destruction of the enemy's will to fight rather than the physical destruction of his military forces.

"We want them to quit. We want them not to fight," says Harlan Ullman, one of the authors of the Shock and Awe concept which relies on large numbers of precision guided weapons.

"So that you have this simultaneous effect, rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima, not taking days or weeks but in minutes," says Ullman.

In the first Gulf War, 10 percent of the weapons were precision guided. In this war 80 percent will be precision guided.

The Air Force has stockpiled 6,000 of these guidance kits in the Persian Gulf to convert ordinary dumb bombs into satellite-guided bombs, a weapon that didn't exist in the first war.

"You're sitting in Baghdad and all of a sudden you're the general and 30 of your division headquarters have been wiped out. You also take the city down. By that I mean you get rid of their power, water. In 2,3,4,5 days they are physically, emotionally and psychologically exhausted," Ullman tells Martin.

Last time, an armored armada swept into Kuwait and destroyed Saddam's elite republican guard divisions in the largest tank battle since the World War II. This time, the target is not the Iraqi army but the Iraqi leadership, and the battle plan is designed to bypass Iraqi divisions whenever possible.

If Shock and Awe works, there won't be a ground war.

Not everybody in the Bush Administration thinks Shock and Awe will work. One senior official called it a bunch of bull, but confirmed it is the concept on which the war plan is based.

Last year, in Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan, the U.S. was badly surprised by the willingness of al Qaeda to fight to the death. If the Iraqis fight, the U.S. would have to throw in reinforcements and win the old fashioned way by crushing the republican guards, and that would mean more casualties on both sides.

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post #2 of 25
I am opposed to the war in Iraq. I think we're in there for all the wrong reasons.

But goddamn if that isn't a bad-ass sounding plan.

Wrong, mind you. But still bad-ass.
post #3 of 25
Isn't this the kind of thing that's supposed to be secret?
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Z-Man:
Isn't this the kind of thing that's supposed to be secret?
at the bottom of the article it says:

Statement from CBS News Anchor Dan Rather: "We assure you this report contains no information that the Defense Department thinks could help the Iraqi military
post #5 of 25
lol yeah cuz nothing is gonna prepare that military for the hellstrike all these missles will bring.
post #6 of 25
Oh, and nothing seems to be preparing the United States for the next onsoil attack.

Borders, anyone?
post #7 of 25
This is like The Rock picking on Stephen Hawkings. It's fucking disgusting that you people think it's cool.
post #8 of 25
And...who said it was cool?
post #9 of 25
Shakes head. No need for this war.
post #10 of 25
Quote:
Alvy Singer:
This is like The Rock picking on Stephen Hawkings. It's fucking disgusting that you people think it's cool.
Who said this cool? I laughed at the stupidity of the situation. As I am sure you laughed when you found out G.W was your president.. Perhaps you cried in the corner.
post #11 of 25
Quote:
Muad'Kronos:
And...who said it was cool?
::raises hand::

That would be I, Master Kronos.
post #12 of 25
Nice to see that Gulf War 2: Bush Harder is going to come with just as much mindless and masturbatory reportage of the glistening phallic weaponry as the last one.
post #13 of 25
300 and 400 cruise missiles at targets in Iraq= thousands of "collateral damage" (civilian casualties for those who still have a shred of humaity left in them) from the missiles that will stray off course.

post #14 of 25
And this little show of military power, which of course won't hurt any civilians, is for what purpose now?
post #15 of 25
Given that we never actually stopped bombing Iraq after the Gulf War, I'm curious as to what's left that could require this amount of ordnance to wipe out. Or is it just a wanton act of military dick-waving?

Hmmm...
post #16 of 25
This much hand-wringing over a clear story plant is kinda making me laugh.

Cause the military is really in the business of announcing it's war plans looooong before the war starts. Yeah. We want to make things fair.

Maybe next weak they'll hold a press conference to announce that they intend to approach Baghdad from the south with a force of 500 or so men disguised as Republican Guards. And they might kill some people along the way.

Clearly this is a new, more open strategy by the U.S. military to gain support. Maybe they'll put things up for a vote even!
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Call:
This much hand-wringing over a clear story plant is kinda making me laugh.

Cause the military is really in the business of announcing it's war plans looooong before the war starts. Yeah. We want to make things fair.

Maybe next weak they'll hold a press conference to announce that they intend to approach Baghdad from the south with a force of 500 or so men disguised as Republican Guards. And they might kill some people along the way.

Clearly this is a new, more open strategy by the U.S. military to gain support. Maybe they'll put things up for a vote even!
Yup.

I guess military information and manuevers isn't the forte of CHUD really.
post #18 of 25
Military strategery teasers during The Super Bowl I suppose would have been nice.
post #19 of 25
So you posit that the US has no plans to bomb the living shit out of Iraq? That the idea of using overwhelming and cruel firepower is out of the question in this coming conflict?
post #20 of 25
Well Dev *whispers " I didn't want anyone to know but I was gonna use the Green Goblin to bomb the shit outa Baghdad. I just really wanted to see Saddam's face before he vaporized. "
post #21 of 25
Quote:
Call:

Clearly this is a new, more open strategy by the U.S. military to gain support. Maybe they'll put things up for a vote even!
My guess is that the military hopes this information will reach the civilians(sp?) living in Bagdad. Giving them time to get out of the city if they want to.
post #22 of 25
Shock and Awe...

Don't they mean Terror?
post #23 of 25
No, terror is eeeevil. Shock and awe are the weapons of truth and justice.
post #24 of 25
Several people in this thread thought (or still think) this "shock and awe" tactic is total bullshit. Since we're all about to find out, I thought it was worth dragging this back to the top.

Given that I'm favoring the idea that Bush wants to scare the shit out of any nation that looks cross-eyed at the US, I'm thinking it's going to happen. And I'm thinking Bush will let out a little "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-hawwwwwwwwwwwww" under his breath right before he hits the "Level Everything" button.
post #25 of 25
America is the Evil Empire...that's going a bit too far.

Disagree, fine. Exaggerate? That's a bit silly.
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