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post #51 of 63
1/29/03 at 11:51pm
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Did anybody notice that the President singled out -this time- Iran in his State of the Union address?

Last time he singled out the Axis of Evil and brought Iraq to center stage. We currently don't have a particular beef with Iran yet he singled them out...why? This part of his address had/has me so bugged I can hardly stand it. No code words or anything, just some sort of inexplicable...

There just hasn't been much if any talk of Iran since this whole thing began. And suddenly in the Address? Wierd.
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post #52 of 63
1/29/03 at 11:56pm
Because Iran is finally making some roads into revolution.

It is still a brutal, backwards country, but the Iranian people are FINALLY starting to stand up and ask for some freedom, any freedom. It was calculated to spread to Iran, to those people and say "We support you, in the only way we can."
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post #53 of 63
1/29/03 at 11:58pm
Remember: NOTHING is an accident in a SOTU address.

I expect some pressure on Iran to start mounting sometime soon. You don't just single them out and let it rest. They have more pronounced internal dissension than the other two members, so it's feasible we might back the opposition more vocally in the future.
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post #54 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:00am
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See? *scratchscratchscratch* That's what's got me bugged(not buggered, heh).
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post #55 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:01am
Good bugged or bad bugged?
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post #56 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:18am
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Bad bugged. Get one side or another onto "our" side, etc. Awww...geeeezzz...

There's all this circular thinking that security here inside our borders begins over in Iraq. I'm sorry, I just don't see it being in that order.

Put in place a series of border/homeland initiatives...then respond overseas to a seemingly unenforceable UN mandate that's 12 years overdue.

I was pleased to see the whole trucks-from-below-the-southern-border issue has been turned around. But there still hasn't been enough.

So committing this many assets overseas in a war that we'll just have thrown in our faces five years from now by, say Pakistan, or some such shit, is...nuts.

I know, I'm a broken fucking record. I'm no anti-war nut though. I believe in overwhelming force when needed. And eventually Saddam is going to need it.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia sits there calmly and controls a lot of this shit.
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post #57 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:20am
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And I also still have faith in my Brink for Votes© scenario.
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post #58 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:22am
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The Kronos Newshour:
Did anybody notice that the President singled out -this time- Iran in his State of the Union address?

Last time he singled out the Axis of Evil and brought Iraq to center stage. We currently don't have a particular beef with Iran yet he singled them out...why? This part of his address had/has me so bugged I can hardly stand it. No code words or anything, just some sort of inexplicable...

There just hasn't been much if any talk of Iran since this whole thing began. And suddenly in the Address? Wierd.
Although I believe that a lot of the fundamentalist Islamic hatred of the US is rooted in Iran, I still think this is a dumb move. We did the same thing with North Korea. Instead of pursuing peace and the progress we were making at the time Bush made an enemy out of a nation that seemed like it was beginning to get ready to move back into the world community. Rhetoric will never solve anything with these types of countries, action is they will understand.
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post #59 of 63
1/30/03 at 12:23am
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The Kronos Newshour:
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increasingly less fuel efficient cars
Patently false, but not for this thread so I won't comment further.
Can you explain this in a PM if you dont want to here?
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post #60 of 63
1/30/03 at 9:55pm
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Ned Fats
Although I believe that a lot of the fundamentalist Islamic hatred of the US is rooted in Iran
Correct in that it is to some extent spurred on by Iranian leaders, the fact is that the younger generation in Iran is VERY pro-Western - they look at the US, and see prosperity and democracy, and they LIKE what they see. That generation of Iranians are the people the US must support and cultivate; a free, democratic state in the Middle East would do much to help the US in that region.
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post #61 of 63
1/30/03 at 10:04pm
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Ned Fats:
Although I believe that a lot of the fundamentalist Islamic hatred of the US is rooted in Iran, I still think this is a dumb move. We did the same thing with North Korea. Instead of pursuing peace and the progress we were making at the time Bush made an enemy out of a nation that seemed like it was beginning to get ready to move back into the world community. Rhetoric will never solve anything with these types of countries, action is they will understand.
All that Bush did was out N. Korea. They were still our enemies, they were still building nukes, they were still covering it up. Perhaps we should have kept the blanket on them for a bit longer, but nevertheless, I don't think they would have become part of the world community in any meaningful sense of the word.
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post #62 of 63
1/30/03 at 11:31pm
Considering the two groups currently at work in Iran:
radical, anti-American Islamists
and
sorta pro-west reform minded students

I'm surprised that nation isn't tearing itself apart in a civil war.
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post #63 of 63
1/30/03 at 11:37pm
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Perhaps they are and the Western Media.com don't give a dookie about it. After all, how many Americans used the word Taleban before 9/11?
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