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State of the Union

post #1 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:08pm
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Two minutes in and I already want to vomit.

And the fact that my roomate is baby-talking his girlfriend isn't fucking helping.
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post #2 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:26pm
Yeah. He's saying everything he should be saying, and thats why I know its a load of bullshit. Fuck Bush.
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post #3 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:40pm
That's what every SOTU has been about since I've watched them. And your comment seems to be the "Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't." sort. Keep in mind I am a Democrat, so he isn't "my guy".
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post #4 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:43pm
SOTU is always bullshit. This is the bullshit masterpiece, though.
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post #5 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:44pm
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Conflict Lad:
SOTU is always bullshit. This is the bullshit masterpiece, though.
You're right. I actually groaned when he started staying "In the rubble of two towers..."
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post #6 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:46pm
He was quoting the trailer for Return of the King, though, right?
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post #7 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:49pm
I love when he says "Nucular".
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post #8 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:55pm
"Deadly havoc"...this is better than a comic book.
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post #9 of 165
1/28/03 at 11:56pm
Now I'm certain he's reading trailer copy.
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post #10 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:03am
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"We will prevail"

Jesus George, fire your fuckin writers.
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post #11 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:03am
The bit about shadowy terrorist networks is from the next Jack Ryan film!
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post #12 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:06am
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Suddenly all the anti-Bush/anti-war sentiments that have been eloquently and intelligently expressed on these boards over the past months makes a hell of a lot of sense.
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post #13 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:08am
That's it Rath. Go with the flow.
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post #14 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:10am
I just have this vision of Rath walking down the street past these people holding "war is bad" signs everyday with a confused look on his face. Then one day, pow, this revalation hits him.
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post #15 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:16am
God Bless America.

God Bless our President.

May God lead us to the path this nation must take.

Righteously and compassionately but not forgetting what must be done in the face of such a world that we now live.

May we not stumble when so much depends on the choices we make.

Amen.
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post #16 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:17am
Worst post ever.
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post #17 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:19am
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Quote:
capteucalyptus (Scott Roche):
That's it Rath. Go with the flow.
What do you mean? This is something I've been doing a lot of thinking about...
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post #18 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:23am
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Conflict Lad:
Worst post ever.
Fine.

What shall be the rebuttal?

God curse this land.

God curse this President.

May our path lead to our destruction.

Foolishly and ignorantly may we decide that we are no longer needed in this world and thus remove ourselves from its face.

May we stumble, may we fall and our choices all be for naught.

That about right>?
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post #19 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:26am
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How about we take God out of the equasion all together and focus on the fact that the reasons he presented for going to war in Iraq were not the reasons we're actually going to war at all?

Like Devin said, the masterpiece of bullshit. The Mona Lisa of bullshit.
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post #20 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:27am
That wasn't a bad speech. There was nothing wrong with it from a "speech" standpoint.

The Iraq part was very very good.

The rest...twas ok. Not bad not great.
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post #21 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:27am
I say we wait for Powell's release next week.
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post #22 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:28am
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Oh, I'm well aware that Saddam is a madman with no redeeming qualites. But that's not the reason we're going to war...
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post #23 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:29am
One thing most of you do not know. The UN resolution does not say inspectors have to find anything in order for Saddam to not be in Material Breach.

It says that HE must PROVE that they do not. He has not. In fact, it is quite the contrary.
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post #24 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:29am
What is the reason, Rath?
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post #25 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:30am
I think we're going to war to remove one of Smirk's negatives...

Oh, and Smirk, I think you meant to say the exact opposite of what you DID say.

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post #26 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:34am
I'm off to gas up the SUV, be back in a few.

God Bless Exxon.

God Bless the Black Gold.
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post #27 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:38am
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capteucalyptus (Scott Roche):
That's what every SOTU has been about since I've watched them. And your comment seems to be the "Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't." sort. Keep in mind I am a Democrat, so he isn't "my guy".
Do you vote straight ticket? Or are you just registered that way, because you come off (and this is not meant to offend) as the least Democratic Democrat ever.

As for the speach, it is true that the State of the Union is always bullshit, but I think its just wrong for Bush to actually speak about alternative energy sources and the enviroment when everything he has done up till now has shown his complete disinterest in those subjects. I mean honestly, you really think Bush is trying to take medicare away from the HMO's and Pharmaceutical company's? Especially when his plans are completely supported by those industries....
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post #28 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:39am
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Conflict Lad:
Worst post ever.
Have to agree with that one.
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post #29 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:45am
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CTDeLude:
May God lead us to the path this nation must take.
He did, but then the Supreme Court stepped in and put Bush in office.
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post #30 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:46am
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Blofeld and Forwards:
What is the reason, Rath?
To me it looks like Death Wish on a Global Scale with an added oil bonus.
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post #31 of 165
1/29/03 at 12:53am
This is about a president who realizes he has no way to leave a legacy unless he beats the crap out of someone. His economic plan got skewered by everybody, he couldn't string two words together with a magnetic poetry kit, and any president who wasn't completely insane could have done what he did post-9/11 and watched their approval rating go up. He won't be remembered for his policies or his great speeches or his leadership, but by God, he kicked the shit out of Saddam, didn't he?

That's if he actually finally gets off his ass and does something instead of talking about it for sixth months.
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post #32 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:00am
I wish they just played Anthrax's State of Euphoria CD instead. That way, they'd know who the man was.

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post #33 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:05am
*shakes head*
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post #34 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:07am
I love this part:

"If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means, sparing, in every way we can, the innocent.

And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military, and we will prevail."

If war is forced upon us? Tell me again which country is saying they're going to fight even if the entire world is against it? And yet somehow we're being forced into this....
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post #35 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:18am
I read this thread and just think why bother.

Why bother stating that his case for war was put forth eloquently and intelligently when those here just fall back on the tired "oil hunt" accusation. Why bother pointing out the continuous deceptions and missing weapons Saddam has, or the tortured Iraqi people, when the left holds the view that apparently nothing is worth fighting for.

Why bother applauding AIDS relief for Africa or mentoring to kids whose parents are in prison. That's just part of the "bullshit".

And Rath, only you could form your political philosophy and world view from a CHUD message board and SOTU address.
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post #36 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:19am
I don't think the case can be made for oil. The direct line to war over oil isn't there.

I think it boils down to wanting to do something about the regime before it's too late to do anything (like with North Korea).
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post #37 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:24am
He's just trying to right the wrongs done to and by his loser old man. Like his pops, he too lacks any clear vision of what Ammerica needs to accomplish.
If I see another Bush in office in my lifetime I may have to jump a boat to England. These people have no business in political office, besides their crooked dealings, they do not seem to know what they represent, other than elitism snobbery and love for all things oil.
At least the Kennedys, Jack and Robert that is, made us believe they gave a shit about the common man. Whether that was true or not, who knows, but at least they appeared to care. I can accept that.

Bush seems very benign to anyones pain or anything at all, really. A total and complete dolt.

Like I have always said, George W. is like a sequel to a bad movie and no matter how bad you may think the movie is someone out there will like it, some will even love it. Some may even think its the best movie ever made.

But, even though the bad movie may have fans it's still a lousy movie.

George W. Bush is "Sister Act 2."

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post #38 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:25am
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Jabbadonut, Ha.:
Poxy, you're an intelligent human being. Don't the atrocities that Saddam Hussein has committed, and continues to commit against his own people warrant some kind of action? Have you forgotten what this man did to his neighbors in Kuwait? Have you forgotten what he did to his own Kurdish people? Our President's agenda with Iraq stretches back many years, Our motivation to rid the Iraqi people of this man isn't something that is recent or new.
And yet we continue to turn our backs on China, with nary a word about the atrocities they commit. We continue to support Israel despite some of the questionable actions they've taken against the Palestinians. We have a North Korean government that is actively rattling their nuclear saber at us, yet we go after a country that has never directly attacked us for fear they might have someone slip a box of anthrax into the country, a possibility which will in no way be eliminated and will probably be heightened by us plopping down troops in the middle of the Islamic world.

If this was part of some worldwide crusade against human rights violators, I'd have an easier time buying it. But this smacks of desperation in not having been able to hoist Bin Laden up before the nation and deciding to go after a target we can actually find.
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post #39 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:25am
As far as speeches go, there have been better, but I thought Bush was good. As far as ideas, I liked what he was saying, and I think he believes what he said is what is right and what should be done. Others may think it was just politiking, but it didn't strike me as that. Bush has said things in the past that were rhetoric, but I didn't feel this speech was one of them.

What's the deal with all this emnity toward Bush invoking God? I mean, really, y'all would have beat George Washington to death with some of the things he said. What is wrong with someone expressing things that he believes - that God is with us, that freedom is something given from God, etc. I know that recently referring to diety in some way other than cursing has become taboo, but I am happy to see that Bush does not fall into that trap.
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post #40 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:26am
I think seeing Bush in the office got Clinton into a lot of trouble.
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post #41 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:28am
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Blofeld and Forwards:
I don't think the case can be made for oil. The direct line to war over oil isn't there.

I think it boils down to wanting to do something about the regime before it's too late to do anything (like with North Korea).
Exactly.
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post #42 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:28am
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Jabbadonut, Ha.:
Poxy, you're an intelligent human being. Don't the atrocities that Saddam Hussein has committed, and continues to commit against his own people warrant some kind of action? Have you forgotten what this man did to his neighbors in Kuwait? Have you forgotten what he did to his own Kurdish people? Our President's agenda with Iraq stretches back many years, Our motivation to rid the Iraqi people of this man isn't something that is recent or new.
He wasn't bad enough for our government to sell weapons to back in the 80's, during senor Bushs stint as VP, so to villify him now, no matter how accurate doesn't ring true.

Fuck Bush.
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post #43 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:30am
I still say we should wait for Powell next week.
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post #44 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:32am
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about sorro:

What's the deal with all this emnity toward Bush invoking God? I mean, really, y'all would have beat George Washington to death with some of the things he said. What is wrong with someone expressing things that he believes - that God is with us, that freedom is something given from God, etc. I know that recently referring to diety in some way other than cursing has become taboo, but I am happy to see that Bush does not fall into that trap.
You're forgetting that a lot of people just don't like God around here.
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post #45 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:33am
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Poxy Bay Buccaneers:
And yet we continue to turn our backs on China, with nary a word about the atrocities they commit.
We have to be careful with China because of 1 word: nukes.
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We continue to support Israel despite some of the questionable actions they've taken against the Palestinians.
Who should we support - the Palestinians? Using this line of argument, we can only choose the lesser of two evils. What the Palestinians have done is worse than what Israel has done, ergo, we side with Israel. I believe there are other things, but within the context of this quote, that is the case.
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We have a North Korean government that is actively rattling their nuclear saber at us,
Again, nukes.
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yet we go after a country that has never directly attacked us for fear they might have someone slip a box of anthrax into the country, a possibility which will in no way be eliminated and will probably be heightened by us plopping down troops in the middle of the Islamic world.

If this was part of some worldwide crusade against human rights violators, I'd have an easier time buying it. But this smacks of desperation in not having been able to hoist Bin Laden up before the nation and deciding to go after a target we can actually find.
I see it more as we have this opportunity now, so let's take it before it slips through our fingers like N. Korea in 94. The dangers of waiting outweigh the dangers of acting now (with Iraq).
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post #46 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:36am
Wait, Saddam might have nukes, so we need to pound him, while the countries that do have nukes we just side-step?

I shudder to think what Bush would have done during the Cold War.
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post #47 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:39am
And actually, we're fairly convinced Saddam does have nukes, since we claim he's lying about having weapons of mass destruction. So if Kim Jong Il were lying about having nukes, we'd be going in there too, I suppose.
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post #48 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:42am
Actually, I think the weapons of mass destruction we're convinced he has are biologic.
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post #49 of 165
1/29/03 at 1:43am
Well, still, the point remains that there are plenty of regimes just as bad and dangerous to us as Saddam's who have the good fortune of never having tried to kill George W's daddy.
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post #50 of 165
1/29/03 at 2:10am
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Poxy Bay Buccaneers:
Wait, Saddam might have nukes, so we need to pound him, while the countries that do have nukes we just side-step?

I shudder to think what Bush would have done during the Cold War.
Deterrence and an arms race, just like every other Cold War president did. Look at what we are doing in N. Korea as a small scale example of that. We are practicing classic Cold War deterrence with them - they have nukes, we have nukes. We are rattling sabres and building up arms, they are doing the same. How is that policy any different than what Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan did?
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