State of the Union - Page 4

Maybe thats true Ned maybe. I mean when I look at it then I can understand to a point but the fact remains his inaction caused 9/11 as much as Bush's action now could cause WW3.

Clinton's problems were way over during the time of the Cole bombing and close to over during the embassy bombings. And strangely enough, during the impeachment the Clinton people were arguing perfusely that it did not take away from his duties as President. Interesting.

And your refusal to acknowledge the significance of an embassy bombing and a bombing of a major naval ship is appalling. Its not just about lives, which would have been more than enough cause for retaliation. Its the precedent, and something we should never forget. Good things don't happen when you ignore attacks, make the U.S. appear weak and unwilling to defend itself, and worry about everything but national security.

[quote]Ned Fats:
Yes, it does sound horrible, but I'm not surprised. Its about par for the course with the current Democrats too. Homeland Security Bill? No, let's worry about the unions. National Security? Not as big a priority as the stock market. Thankfully the American people don't agree with this, and they made it clear in November. The responsibility of the federal government, first and foremost, is the protection of its citizens. Not the Dow. Its sad that some don't get that.

So you must have despised Reagan for his inaction after the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon, and his promises of remaining there after the attack, only to withdraw all the troops four months later, right? Or is your disdain limited only to Democratic presidents?

Oh, you mean that 39% of the electorate that turned out in November? Just over half of which voted for Republicans? Yep, that's a helluva mandate ya got there.

Thats a great point Jacob. That was a blunder of the highest order in the Reagan Administration. I always thought that was a lame move.

[quote]Stew:
You make me laugh. All of what you just said means nothing considering that in this time of war Bush proposed a tax cut that would end dividend taxation. Yeah, he isnt worried about the market either.

"And your refusal to acknowledge the significance of an embassy bombing and a bombing of a major naval ship is appalling."

It may be appalling but it is reality, the vast majority of Americans could care less as long as they get a paycheck. Dont believe me...doesnt make me feel bad or anything.

"Its not just about lives, which would have been more than enough cause for retaliation. Its the precedent, and something we should never forget."

You may very well be right, but Americans will still forget...because they care more about there daily lives than world affairs, even events that involve there country.

"Good things don't happen when you ignore attacks, make the U.S. appear weak and unwilling to defend itself, and worry about everything but national security."

Good things did happen, we had a great economy for a good amount of time and a lot people were happy. I agree that we probably should have done something about those attacks...NOW, but then it wasnt a big deal to me. For now on we will have to pay more attention to any kind of terrorism. But I think if Bush really cared about wiping out terrorist organizations we would be spending a lot more time in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria...and I cant believe I'm saying this but making our borders more secure.

That was a mistake, so no, my disdain can go all the way around.

Its unfortunate Democrats couldn't get their people to even vote, it really is. Some might say that people don't vote when they are satisfied with the way things are going. Or at least that's how you guys like to explain George W. Bush's upset victory over Ann Richards.

Its sad to me Ned that this means nothing to you. I could say you make me laugh, but your posts in this thread show something I really just find sad.

"Who cares if all those people died in terrorist attacks and our inaction emboldened terrorists worldwide to do bigger things like 9/11. Hell, our economy was huge with all those dot coms!"

"Who cares if all those people died in terrorist attacks and our inaction emboldened terrorists worldwide to do bigger things like 9/11. Hell, our economy was huge with all those dot coms!"

I didnt say that I thought that way, I said that, that was the reality.

I agree 100%, and lament the fact that voters on "both" sides don't seem to give a rat's ass.

All in good time, Ned. I think have seen the beginning of pressure on these groups, especially the Palestinians. I think Bush hates Arafat almost as much as Sharon does. This isn't because he's an Arab, or anything like that, it's because he hasn't done anything to change. The only difference between Arafat today and Arafat 25 years ago is that today Arafat is smarter than he used to be and isn't directly involved in terrorist activities.

There was a story in the WSJ about that last week. It says that most of the Scuds died not because of the Patriot, but because they aren't great missiles. I think the new Patriot 2 will be better - it's a hit to kill missile, as opposed to exploding nearby, hoping for a kill.