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Richard Armitage: al Qaeda in Baghdad

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Did anybody catch the Deputy Secretary of State's Remarks to the Senate today?

He says they have evidence of al Qaeda actually in Baghdad. Coming from one of the biggest doves of the Bush administration, I'm surprised.
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Are you surprised by the rather dove-ish member of the admin. saying this, or by the fact that Al-Quaeda is in Baghdad?
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I'm surprised the president didn't bother mentioning it in his speech.

Interestingly, I heard there was evidence of Al Qaeda in Jersey on 9/11. We should bomb the fuck out of Trenton.
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Interestingly, I heard there was evidence of Al Qaeda in Jersey on 9/11. We should bomb the fuck out of Trenton.
Why not? After all, it is the Trenton School District still has an amazingly anti-Semitic Amiri Baraka "teaching" children. Fortunately, the State of New Jersey came to its senses and gave him the heave ho.
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Are you surprised by the rather dove-ish member of the admin. saying this, or by the fact that Al-Quaeda is in Baghdad?
The dove-ish member of the admin. saying it. However, I'm also surprised that Saddam would actually host members of al Qaeda. I'd think he'd want to distance himself from it.

Here's more detail on the story from <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/30/eveningnews/main538648.shtml" target="_blank">CBS News</a>
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Conflict Lad:
I'm surprised the president didn't bother mentioning it in his speech.

Interestingly, I heard there was evidence of Al Qaeda in Jersey on 9/11. We should bomb the fuck out of Trenton.
"And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own."
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Again, I pose the same question:

Since all of this information comes from "inside sources" like the militant kurd factions who war with Hussein and have a lot to gain by him being taken out, and because some of these SAME factions ALSO aid Al-Queda in the parts of Iraq that they control, how reliable is this information?

Yes, Al-Queda is IN Iraq. Are they being assisted and sanctioned by Hussein? Unlikely given the following facts:

- We're still offering him taxpayer-provided exile/haven for him and his family. An offer that hasn't been extended to not ONE other Al-Queda-associated individual on the PLANET EARTH.

- He and Bin Laden are ideaologically opposed and have clashed in the past.
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You say that our only sources are the Kurds (just from the Safire article), but I'd imagine that those who have said al Qaeda is in Baghdad are not Kurds. Our HUMINT sources from there, combined with multiple people at Camp X-Ray telling us Saddam and al Qaeda have had multiple talks before is building a decent little case. Not rock solid, by any means, but it is being built.

As far as why are we giving Saddam the option of exile when we don't do that for other al Qaeda types, I'd imagine it's a bow to pressure from the Gulf.

In addition, he and bin Laden are ideologically opposed, but why does that matter. You have Iran, Iraq, and Syria all helping with the terrorist group in Northern Iraq, and Iran and Iraq fought a war for eight years. The old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes to mind.
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You say that our only sources are the Kurds (just from the Safire article), but I'd imagine that those who have said al Qaeda is in Baghdad are not Kurds. Our HUMINT sources from there, combined with multiple people at Camp X-Ray telling us Saddam and al Qaeda have had multiple talks before is building a decent little case. Not rock solid, by any means, but it is being built.
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It's a non-existent case. Virtually everyone in that region wants to see that guy go, and they have every bit of motive to make something up.

The wonderful things about rumors is that when they're being repeated enough, people just start accepting them as fact. It's not. I have "sources" that tell me this allegation is a crock of poop. There. Now, I'm just as credible with just as reliable a foundation.

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As far as why are we giving Saddam the option of exile when we don't do that for other al Qaeda types, I'd imagine it's a bow to pressure from the Gulf.
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Huh? What pressure? From who? He's hated as Bin Laden is, and not loved nearly as much. If we have anything near reliable proof, shouldn't THAT be the focus of our invasion NOW without UN approval just as it was for us invading Afghanistan to engage The Taliban?

It's not because we don't have any such link. If the proof was even close to being real, we'd have stormed in already.

And we CERTAINLY would not be dangling "exile" in front of him.

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In addition, he and bin Laden are ideologically opposed, but why does that matter. You have Iran, Iraq, and Syria all helping with the terrorist group in Northern Iraq, and Iran and Iraq fought a war for eight years. The old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes to mind.
Why does them being ideologically opposed matter? I dunno. Maybe because you'd consider that person AN ENEMY, and therefore not aid their cause?

There's a bazillion and one terror networks who have problems with the US. Why would he choose the most infamous and scrutinized - that also happens to be headed by a rival - to support?

Face it: Almost every known circumstance of our stance toward Iraq, Hussein and Bin Laden's relationship, and simple political relaity suggests that Saddam being an Al-Queda patron is a crock of crap. No one is saying they don't have operations in Iraq, but sponsored by him? Very unlikely.
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