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My fellow Americans:

After consulting with our loyal allies in Europe, speaking with United Nations officials, reading major American newspapers, listening to National Public Radio, consulting with Hollywood movie stars, and meeting with professors from our universities, I have changed my mind.

They are right.

I now realize that the most important goal America and its president can pursue is to be liked, hopefully loved, by mankind, and especially by France, Germany, China and the Arab world.

I now realize that we Americans who think in terms of good and evil are simpletons. We should think, as the professors do, in multicultural terms and, therefore, render no moral judgment over Iraq or any other nation except Israel. Who am I to declare any regimes an "axis of evil"?

I now realize that it was arrogant to make such a judgment on three regimes governed by men whom I should have tried better to understand. Now that I realize America's primary goal is to be liked, I will never again call any regime evil. In fact, in consultation with the presidents and deans of our major universities, I have decided to rename the governments of Iraq, Iran and North Korea an Axis of Diversity.

I now realize that the only reason I ever considered putting thousands of young American lives in jeopardy was because of oil. I was deluded in thinking that Saddam Hussein might use his weapons of destruction against vast numbers of innocents, or to think because Saddam erased a sovereign nation from the map in 1991, he would contemplate doing such a thing again. The French have taught me that the way to deal with people whom I used to believe were evil is by giving them business contracts.

Yes, all these people knew better than I that I considered attacking Iraq only in order to obtain cheap gas for American SUVs. Even though it would have cost us far more money to topple Saddam Hussein than we would make from Iraqi oil. Even though I could simply have done what the French and Russians have done; make deals with Saddam to buy all the oil we want. And even though we publicly promised that after Saddam, Iraqi oil will belong to the Iraqi people.

Despite all that, the left somehow recognized that a war against Iraq was really only a way to enrich my oil buddies. The left, whom I used to foolishly identify with appeasing and defending evil, have opened my eyes. They are right that nothing America does is out of a sense of mission to lead humanity in confronting evil. That was all a cover up for our true motivation; more wealth. That is why we alone stand by Israel; for all that oil in the Negev. That is why we protect Taiwan; for Taiwan's bounteous natural resources. From now on, our moral model must be the Europeans who shape their Middle Eastern policies so as to be loved by 200 million Arabs rather than by a few million Israelis.

I now realize that America must be guided by Germany with its 100-year record of moral leadership; by France with nearly as long a record of standing up to evil; by our university professors, who almost alone in America understand that America and Israel are the world's villains; by the United Nations, which was so prescient in doing nothing during the Rwanda genocide and today provides more moral light with Syria on its Security Council and Libya heading its Human Rights Commission; by the New York Times and other newspapers that so insightfully attacked President Ronald Reagan for labeling the Soviet Union an evil empire; and by China, which I used to identify with cultural genocide in Tibet ? but thanks to my new desire to be loved, I will now regard only as a huge potential source of love and cheap imports.

My fellow Americans, I will no longer be calling you "my fellow Americans," but rather, "my fellow earthlings" or "my fellow citizens of the world." Nor will I conclude this or any future address by asking that God bless America. That annoys secular Europe, and if we aim to be loved, we can no longer speak in religious terms.

Finally, given my new belief that America's task in the world is not to lead but to be loved, I have decided to step down from the presidency as soon as Congress and the states pass a constitutional amendment allowing Al Gore to be president. He, my predecessor President Clinton, and the whole Democratic Party have long believed that America's purpose is to be loved. They should be governing.

My fellow world citizens: peace and love.
<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30854" target="_blank">From California Senate candidate Dennis Prager (and that's no joke).</a>

post #2 of 76
Classic.

Truly the world would be safer if dictators with weapons of mass destruction could just be left alone. More just if we could just excuse the 9/11 terrorists and the ilk as legitimate soldiers against the evil America.

I mean, this must be what the American public wants to hear from our President. Why else would they elect all those Republicans (against all historical precedents) back in November?
post #3 of 76
I've always had a lot of respect for Dennis Prager. He's not the most charismatic of speakers but his intelligence and insighfulness more than make up for what he lacks in entertainment value on the radio. He doesn't rant, he doesn't berate.
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It'd be slightly amusing if it wasn't dripping with the same contempt for education that empowers the fanatics on the other side of the coin.

Damn those high-falutin' University Professors and their book learnin'! Viva Ignorance!
post #5 of 76
It'd be slightly amusing if it wasn't dripping with the same contempt for education that empowers the fanatics on the other side of the coin.

It's not like academics are above contempt, but these things always seem to go beyond bearded socialists to the essence of higher education. In a creepy, flat-earth and common sense sort of way.
post #6 of 76
lol that was pretty good.
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Yeah, but it's a caricature, and does what it can to take the humanity out of the people who may or may not have opinions this extreme or ridiculous. This is just propaganda for people who are rightwing or conservative or both. A comedy act. Sure, it's pretty benign, but it's also the tact of people who are looking to discredit and dehumanize a huge segment of the population and lump them all in the same basket so they can be ridiculed.

Very mature.

The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.

Not everyone critical of the governement is a card carrying nancy-boy with a poster of Neville Chamberlain on his wall.

I wish we'd just bomb the fuckers already and get this shit over with.

The guy who wrote this article is an asshole.
post #8 of 76
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Clarence Beaks:
It'd be slightly amusing if it wasn't dripping with the same contempt for education that empowers the fanatics on the other side of the coin.

Damn those high-falutin' University Professors and their book learnin'! Viva Ignorance!
So you're saying a highly educated man such as Dennis Prager has contempt for education?

Faaaascinating...
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The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.
Hmmm...you're right. Read any left-wing column oozing with things like "Bush is a moron", "it's all about oil", then follow up with burning a parking lot full of SUV's(true story) and bashing windows at a "rally".

Yup. You've described much of what the left does.

Funny how that works, eh?
post #10 of 76
There's so much contempt for the high falutin' professors and their book learnin' ways because the socialists and radical liberals have a firm grip on university studies in this nation. It's easy to lump them together because it's true.

Finding a conservative or even a (hate this god-awful term) moderate Republican on a faculty list at most major universities in America is near impossible.

The contempt is well founded and on target. It's not disdain for education (though that would make it much easier for some to play the victim), but disdain for a radical agenda that's out of step with a vast majority of the country.
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The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.
Hmmm...you're right. Read any left-wing column oozing with things like "Bush is a moron", "it's all about oil", then follow up with burning a parking lot full of SUV's(true story) and bashing windows at a "rally".

Yup. You've described much of what the left does.

Funny how that works, eh?
Indeed.

I love when the left so conveniantly ignores the immense hate pouring from it's own ranks to seize on some imagined conservative example of hate speech.
post #12 of 76
Every word out of a conservative's mouth is hate speech.

The conservative movement seems to be aping all the best aspects of the 20th century - the anti-intellectualism of the Cultural Revolution, the xenophobia of the Nazis, and as always, the soul deadening greed of the capitalists.
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Majin Kronos:
So you're saying a highly educated man such as Dennis Prager has contempt for education?

Faaaascinating...
Yes, if it serves his means.
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Call loves Branson.....really:
There's so much contempt for the high falutin' professors and their book learnin' ways because the socialists and radical liberals have a firm grip on university studies in this nation. It's easy to lump them together because it's true.
Of course, higher education and intelligence are qualities of socialists and radical liberals.
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Majin Kronos:
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The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.
Hmmm...you're right. Read any left-wing column oozing with things like "Bush is a moron", "it's all about oil", then follow up with burning a parking lot full of SUV's(true story) and bashing windows at a "rally".

Yup. You've described much of what the left does.

Funny how that works, eh?
Well, honestly, it really isn't very funny. I wish there was a way to ban political parties from our political system, because when frustrated it seems that most people just adopt a party line and start hating on everyone who differs with them even slightly. Hiding under the umbrella of a perceived common ideology.

I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I seem to remember one of my history professors telling us that in Washington's exit speech he warned the nation to not develop political parties. He supposedly said this because he felt that it would only evolve into endless bickering, us-against-them style, and ultimately corrupt democracy. I couldn't agree more.

Without political parties, or gangs (which is what they really are), we probably wouldn't have to deal with a lot of the wing nuts that end up in politics merely by manipulating their own affiliation with an ideological agenda like "liberalism" or "conservatism." The more moderate, realistic, compassionate and intelligent politicians from both sides of what we currently perceive as left and right might be able to work together for once.

What a fucking pipe dream?
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Call loves Branson.....really:
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Majin Kronos:
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The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.
Hmmm...you're right. Read any left-wing column oozing with things like "Bush is a moron", "it's all about oil", then follow up with burning a parking lot full of SUV's(true story) and bashing windows at a "rally".

Yup. You've described much of what the left does.

Funny how that works, eh?
Indeed.

I love when the left so conveniantly ignores the immense hate pouring from it's own ranks to seize on some imagined conservative example of hate speech.
Hey, I never said this was an example of conservative hate speech. I'm only pointing this out because you're a conservative and probably didn't have good enough grades to go to college. (I like to call that turnaround "The Cleveland Steamer")

I was pointing out that it is an effort to marginalize people for their ideas. The left isn't above it either. Honestly.

Lawyers do this sort of thing in court rooms all the time to discredit their opponents, it's not hate speech then, is it?

Something has always bugged me: Why is it that Liberalism and Higher Education are perceived to be directly related, when Conservatism and Higher Education are perceived to be inversely so?

I don't believe it to be true, but then again, you don't see a lot of people who are "conservative" and culturally diverse. You see a lot of "liberals" downtown, hanging out with a wide, diverse group of individuals.

When in contrast you see a lot of conservatives out in the suburbs, living in houses that all look the same, wearing the same clothes, having the same short haircuts...

Where does this bullshit come from?
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[quote]Nick Luskmonster:
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Something has always bugged me: Why is it that Liberalism and Higher Education are perceived to be directly related, when Conservatism and Higher Education are perceived to be inversely so?
I don't think conservative thinking is that of the uneducated, but I do think that socialist thought comes through in people who are highly educated. Obviously not all of them but I think it's safe to say that the percent of socialists who are highly educated is much higher than the percent who are not. It's something that has to be learned. Which, is probably it's downfall in western society.
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Something has always bugged me: Why is it that Liberalism and Higher Education are perceived to be directly related, when Conservatism and Higher Education are perceived to be inversely so?
I don't think conservative thinking is that of the uneducated, but I do think that socialist thought comes through in people who are highly educated. Obviously not all of them but I think it's safe to say that the percent of socialists who are highly educated is much higher than the percent who are not. It's something that has to be learned. Which, is probably it's downfall in western society.
Hrm, okay, but I don't think socialism has anything to do with the price of eggs here.

I might know one socialist, but on the other hand I know a lot of liberal-intellectual types, who are decidedly not socialist. Most of the socialists I've known in the past are fairly well-read, but too lacking in mental dexterity to understand most of what they've read (if they really even read the shit). Typically hanging around a lot of college kids and musicans, but being only a grunt laborer themselves. I've personally never met a socialist I could take seriously for five minutes.

...so back to the question??
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Call loves Branson.....really:
There's so much contempt for the high falutin' professors and their book learnin' ways because the socialists and radical liberals have a firm grip on university studies in this nation. It's easy to lump them together because it's true.

Finding a conservative or even a (hate this god-awful term) moderate Republican on a faculty list at most major universities in America is near impossible.

The contempt is well founded and on target. It's not disdain for education (though that would make it much easier for some to play the victim), but disdain for a radical agenda that's out of step with a vast majority of the country.
True only in the minds of those who want it to be.

I went to a university in South Carolina, and I wouldn't be able to tell you about the socio-political beliefs of a single one of my professors or any other faculty because they didn't offer any, as it should be.

There was no "grip" from anyone in the political spectrum. And that's because most students as well as most people in the USA have choosen a different platform.

Truthfully, conservatism and ilberalism are BOTH "radical agendas out of step with the vast majority of this country."

America prefers blissfully ignorant indifference, and the majority vote on that platform in virtually every single recent presidential election proves it.

But if you want to get snippy, 52 percent of the people who showed up to vote Presidentially in 2000 voted either Democrat or Green.
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Conflict Lad:
Every word out of a conservative's mouth is hate speech.
Well, that explains it.
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Funnily enough, there was an article in the campus newspaper for the university whose law school I go to talking about a very similar issue.

It was about how a few students were pissed off when the school put together a meeting for everyone to watch the State of the Union address and then various professors would talk about it. The meeting was entitled, "A Fair and Impartial Look at the State of the Union".

As you can guess, it was anything but fair and impartial. It degenerated into a string of professors (8 to be exact) bashing Bush and his policies on Iraq, etc. None mentioned AIDS relief or the hydrogen cell car.

Ironic, yes?
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It's weird that smart people are liberal.
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Before that stupid hydrogen cell thing is mentioned ever again, I want to point out that - according to the new Bush budget - the initiative for hydrogen fuel cells is as woefully underfunded as homeland defense is. It might as well have never been mentioned at all.

It's great to announce your "dedication" to these matters, but when you fail to put your money where your mouth is, it's pointless.

Likewise, while I commend the AIDS mention, the funding is but a drop in the bucket being that it's divided up amongst several countries. We're still spending a lot more to bomb people than to try and save lives.

As for the professors, Bush bashing isn't the sole province of liberals. Just ask Kronos...
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Conflict Lad:
It's weird that smart people are liberal.
No, what's weird is that liberal people think they're smarter.
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It's weird that smart people are liberal.
No, what's weird is that liberal people think they're smarter.
I don't think they've cornered the market on it, though.
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It's weird that smart people are liberal.
No, what's weird is that liberal people think they're smarter.
Booooooooooooooooooooo!
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Majin Kronos:
No, what's weird is that liberal people think they're smarter.
K, don't you think both sides are convinced the other is "dumb" from their respective positions of moral superiority?
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I'm convinced the other side is dumb from the people who call into their radio programs.
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[quote]Nick Luskmonster:
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Something has always bugged me: Why is it that Liberalism and Higher Education are perceived to be directly related, when Conservatism and Higher Education are perceived to be inversely so?
I don't think conservative thinking is that of the uneducated, but I do think that socialist thought comes through in people who are highly educated. Obviously not all of them but I think it's safe to say that the percent of socialists who are highly educated is much higher than the percent who are not. It's something that has to be learned. Which, is probably it's downfall in western society.
Hrm, okay, but I don't think socialism has anything to do with the price of eggs here.

I might know one socialist, but on the other hand I know a lot of liberal-intellectual types, who are decidedly not socialist. Most of the socialists I've known in the past are fairly well-read, but too lacking in mental dexterity to understand most of what they've read (if they really even read the shit). Typically hanging around a lot of college kids and musicans, but being only a grunt laborer themselves. I've personally never met a socialist I could take seriously for five minutes.

...so back to the question??
I was basically replacing liberalism & socialism. Yes, most college people who call themselves socialist are morons and they just go on to become members of yuppie society anyways. I'm talking about people after college who actually sustain liberal agenda. The leaders of leftist parties & orginizations that promote their beliefs. I'm not really including democrats in this because most members of the party are barely left & more centrist anyways. That's why I used socialism because it is the most recognizable leftist political system. Just an example.
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Majin Kronos:
No, what's weird is that liberal people think they're smarter.
K, don't you think both sides are convinced the other is "dumb" from their respective positions of moral superiority?
Oh, I'm convinced both sides think that way!

The reality of life is somewhere in between. This is not to say moderate. But politics is the art of the possible.
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I'm convinced the other side is dumb from the people who call into their radio programs.
Well-crafted statement. Equally applicable from a right or left paradigm.
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Yeah, callers to NPR are as dumbass as the crackers Rush puts on the air.
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I'm convinced the other side is dumb from the people who call into their radio programs.
Well-crafted statement. Equally applicable from a right or left paradigm.
Definitely limited to political or news programs. Folks that call into sports talk radio and music stations are certainly above average in intelligence.
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Yeah, callers to NPR are as dumbass as the crackers Rush puts on the air.
No clue...haven't heard either in years.

But the callers to Ray Taliafero are pretty "out there". Yes, I've listened to some liberal hosts...although they are few and far between.
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I went to a fairly liberal school in Ohio, but nearly half of the political science courses I took were taught by people I knew to be conservative through their published works and/or ties to the first Bush administration. Still, liberal or conservative, a firm POV was never expressed, even in the most heated debates. Without exception, these teachers would see where the class was leaning, and try to balance it out with devil's-advocate-questioning if one side seemed to dominate.

Interestingly, I remember taking a small Poly-Sci class in which only two of the twelve students were conservative. The teacher was an old-time, dyed-in-the-wool liberal who personally played a part in the Civil Rights Movement. But because the class was ideologically stacked to the left, he essentially played the role of conservative almost exclusively throughout the quarter to keep the two students on the right from feeling attacked.

Just because there are more liberals in academia nationwide does not mean that students are being indoctrinated. Forming this opinion based solely on these numbers is classic specious reasoning.
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I'd like to hear about more of such teachers. They deserve the name teacher.
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Indeed.
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Yeah, I think a good college professor should play that role...encourage people to see both sides. I got the same in college...I didn't know which way my professors really leaned.

And basing intelligence on radio call in shows? Aaiieiee!
post #39 of 76
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Conflict Lad:
Every word out of a conservative's mouth is hate speech.

The conservative movement seems to be aping all the best aspects of the 20th century - the anti-intellectualism of the Cultural Revolution, the xenophobia of the Nazis, and as always, the soul deadening greed of the capitalists.
The midterm Republican victories and consistently high approval ratings for the President have finally driven you completely insane.
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And basing intelligence on radio call in shows?
Exactly. Actually, the really intelligent people are too busy working to call into shows.

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Clarence Beaks:
I went to a fairly liberal school in Ohio, but nearly half of the political science courses I took were taught by people I knew to be conservative through their published works and/or ties to the first Bush administration. Still, liberal or conservative, a firm POV was never expressed, even in the most heated debates. Without exception, these teachers would see where the class was leaning, and try to balance it out with devil's-advocate-questioning if one side seemed to dominate.

Interestingly, I remember taking a small Poly-Sci class in which only two of the twelve students were conservative. The teacher was an old-time, dyed-in-the-wool liberal who personally played a part in the Civil Rights Movement. But because the class was ideologically stacked to the left, he essentially played the role of conservative almost exclusively throughout the quarter to keep the two students on the right from feeling attacked.

Just because there are more liberals in academia nationwide does not mean that students are being indoctrinated. Forming this opinion based solely on these numbers is classic specious reasoning.
Hey Clarence, if you don't mind, where did you go to school? I go to Ohio State and have lived in Ohio all my life so I was just curious.

I agree that teachers aren't always trying to indoctrinate. And if you are truly conservative its not like there's a danger of being brainwashed. However, I have had a few classes where there was definitely a liberal bend. But when a majority of the professors are liberal, some sort of bias is natural.

I don't hate higher education, not at all. I just wish my classes weren't dripping with moral relativism, discussion on why we might have deserved 9/11, and a wide-eyed look of disbelief when I offer up even a moderately conservative viewpoint.
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lol that begs the question uh Dev why are you listening to Rush? Oh you're intelligent that’s right.
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And basing intelligence on radio call in shows?
Exactly. Actually, the really intelligent people are too busy working to call into shows.
Or posting on internet message boards.
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The next step in the evolution of this kind of thinking is to just go ahead and be outright cruel to people. Start with marginalizing them, then taunting, wrongful prosecution and if you're lucky you can polish it all off with some violence.
Hmmm...you're right. Read any left-wing column oozing with things like "Bush is a moron", "it's all about oil", then follow up with burning a parking lot full of SUV's(true story) and bashing windows at a "rally".

"Yup. You've described much of what the left does."

So "much of the left" burns parking lots full of SUV's? Well then....all you righties must be blowing up Abortion clinics...
post #45 of 76
lmao Touche Ned.
post #46 of 76
Most professors are balanced in the classroom. If they weren't, universities would have daily academic shitstorms; there are a lot vocal people in higher education.

But the fact remains, outside the classroom, professors entitled to any belief they wish to hold. Believing AIDS can be cured by eating Brazil nuts, for instance. So don't judge what's going on at a university until you've parked your ass in a lecture hall. And I think it would become appearant that most university subjects are a-political — or is that calculus formula really a subversive communist device?
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Most professors are balanced in the classroom. If they weren't, universities would have daily academic shitstorms; there are a lot vocal people in higher education.

But the fact remains, outside the classroom, professors entitled to any belief they wish to hold. Believing AIDS can be cured by eating Brazil nuts, for instance. So don't judge what's going on at a university until you've parked your ass in a lecture hall. And I think it would become appearant that most university subjects are a-political — or is that calculus formula really a subversive communist device?
In all fairness, Calculus is a bad example. I spent a year at Georgia Tech, where everyone has to take Calc, but when I transfered to get a tv/film degree at a liberal arts university the only requirment was something like Statistics. At a technical institution vs liberal arts, the room for talking about political subjects is completely inverted.
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Hey Clarence, if you don't mind, where did you go to school? I go to Ohio State and have lived in Ohio all my life so I was just curious.
Ohio University, or, as I like to call it, The Place Where We Don't Burn Down The Campus When Our Football Team Loses (though you guys didn't have that problem this year).

I'm interested as to how these debates you mention are framed. I mean, if the teacher is looking to provoke debate over how our foreign policy helped create an atmosphere in which a guy like bin Laden could thrive, I think that's just good critical thinking no matter where you end up on the issue, even if it's one of "we did nothing".

Are you an undergraduate, or a grad student? If the former, I can understand how debate can be frustrating in a large class where uninformed blowhards from either side of the spectrum can too easily derail the debate.
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Stew:
Hey Clarence, if you don't mind, where did you go to school? I go to Ohio State and have lived in Ohio all my life so I was just curious.
Ohio University, or, as I like to call it, The Place Where We Don't Burn Down The Campus When Our Football Team Loses (though you guys didn't have that problem this year).
Hehehehe, nice. Its a good thing you guys didn't burn the campus every time your football team lost, because the fire department would never be able to do anything else

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I'm interested as to how these debates you mention are framed. I mean, if the teacher is looking to provoke debate over how our foreign policy helped create an atmosphere in which a guy like bin Laden could thrive, I think that's just good critical thinking no matter where you end up on the issue, even if it's one of "we did nothing".

Are you an undergraduate, or a grad student? If the former, I can understand how debate can be frustrating in a large class where uninformed blowhards from either side of the spectrum can too easily derail the debate.
I'm an undergrad, and this stuff has mostly happened in classes like Sociology. Kids who don't really seem to know what they're talking about take the professor's bait about "How do you think the 9/11 hijacker's felt?" and run with it into the whole "nobody is right or wrong, its just your culture" which I of course disagree with. Once you decide to murder 3,000 people I think you can be called "wrong".

And then there was the class when a friend of mine merely said he supported the war in Iraq and some asshole stood up and said "Hey, the KKK meeting is down the hall". Not only did the professor not say anything to the student, but he cut the conservative kids off before they could even reply. By no means am I saying that this applies to all liberals or schools, but its my example.

post #50 of 76
"Hey, the KKK meeting is down the hall"

I never knew Dev attended your university.
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