I found some racists who admit it - Page 2

Well, Dan, I'm trying to help him. When he made that nonsense thing about hate crimes, I clarified his rambling a bit, and I want to work with the guy, but he seems kind of slow.

I mean, he's arguing against prohibition and legal prosecution of racism, when it doesn't even exist. What do you do with a guy like that?

You got me there. A real stinger. Ok...now that you've scraped the rather shallow bottom of your Witty Comeback Barrel, do you have anything relevant to the issue at hand to say?

Almost forgot...anything that pertains to things that really exist. Not your internal make-believe creations. Do you have anything based on real-life things to add?

This thread went south pretty quick.

Right around the 3rd post, I'd say.

Please, don't bring the south into this.

Technically, he's actually being facetious.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Please, make your jokes and cracks in your own world where no one can hear you and you can laugh giddily. Comparing racist remarks with a 'why are politicians villified' thread is all I needed to read to see where your structure for decency is. It sounds like it's alright by you for people to continue to remain ignorant. But I guess that would by kinda hard for the ignorant to recognize ignorance, right?

We didn't ignore your "points". We watched them swim slowly around in the barrel, and then shot them.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until it fucking sinks in - you are making inaccurate and unsubstantiated statements on a subject you have admitted to having no experience of. Excuse me all to fuck for not taking anything you say remotely seriously.

It's not up to us to prove your assumptions are wrong, it's up to you to prove them right. But as everything you've said is based on your own skewed perspective, there's no way you can do that.

Got that?

I'll spell it out for you, just in case:

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT LEVELS OF RACISM ARE OFFENSIVE TO PEOPLE OF OTHER RACES BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.

Oh, I'm sorry. That one throwaway comment by one person gives you all the insight you need into what it's like to deal with racism every day, and thus decide what should and shouldn't be offensive to other people. You're an expert on the effects of racism now. Shit, you're practically Nelson fucking Mandela. I bow before your in-depth knowledge of the effects of racial abuse.

Seriously, you should go out and actually meet some black people. Speak to them. Explain to them how there's no such thing as discrimantion anymore, and how racism is only harmful if it's violent in nature. I'm sure they'd be fascinated to hear your views on the subject, given your own long and tortured personal battles with discrimination at the hands of an "asian lassie" from work.

You see, I've seen racism. Up close. I was driven from my home by it. Micah is a black man living in Georgia. I'm sure he's seen and heard things that would open your sheltered eyes in a fucking heartbeat. When we say that racism is harmful - whether it's just words on paper, or a burning cross on your lawn - we're speaking from experience. You are not. Ergo, your arguments are baseless.

Do you understand that? By your own admission, you do not speak on this subject with any authority.

But you won't listen, because you live in a dreamworld where your experience of something determines how the rest of the world reacts to it. You can never understand this argument because you have never experienced it, and are apparently incapable of identifying with people who have.

I hope you wake up tomorrow morning as a black woman. Maybe then you'd understand just how crushing and frustrating day-to-day discrimination can be. Maybe then you'd understand how racist ideas are harmful, no matter how they're presented.

Until then, stick your head back up your ass and carry on in blissful ignorance.

What the fuck are you talking about? Since obviously it's not getting through to you, i'm going to try once more what Micah and Dan were trying. If you don't get it after this, you should be banned from any sort of discussion from here on in.

There are no double standards here. You tried to compare your being called white trash to hundreds of years of oppression and verbal/physical abuse.

See, there is no comparison.

And your white guy punches a white guy is the same as black guy punches a white guy or vice versa is completely insanely idiotic. What does that have to do with racism? It's just another phoney ploy to help your already dead-in-the-water stance. Verbal abuse equates to about the same as violence in this case, I don't care what anyone says. That word cuts like a knife. You know what word I mean.

See, because when someone utters that word once, it's like a clock has been turned all the way back to a time when we were a lot less civilized than we are now. That's what happens. Any progress made so far seems like a waste. Any speeches, any civil rights declarations, any activism. The effects felt over time as a result of things like that just seem....lessened.

Look, no one said you weren't offended by what happened with the Asian woman, but like I said....it can't compare to a history of discrimination of a particular group of people with a different color of skin than you.

So, once more with feeling:

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. STOP.

I've re-read this thread and I can only find one instance where you've made that point, and nobody disagreed with you. This imaginary conversation you're having never took place. Nobody has said any of the things you're claiming. If that was the only thing you said in this thread then we'd all be much happier.

Firstly, I can criticise you for pontificating about what sort of racism poses a problem, when the racism in question doesn't affect you.

And you were the one who said your "little incident" didn't matter, remember? In your own charming words: " I saw it for what it was, a bad attempt at provocation, and just left the sad bitch to her own devices".

Once again, being told by someone that they don't like working with white people is, yes, a racist thing to say - but it affected you NOT ONE FUCKING BIT and you admitted as much. So how come, when I relay this info back again, it's wrong?

Thinking about it logically would be a nice idea. You should try it. You were the one who said that your "incident" didn't matter. You were the one who tried telling us all what sort of racism "poses a problem". You're the one extrapolating fantasy scenarios from your one minor brush with racism.

This is going nowhere. When we end up arguing about what you said, or meant, or imagined somebody else said then we've left whatever sanity this thread ever had far behind.

As long as you're content to spout off on subjects you know nothing about, and hurl abuse at people who disagree, then any thread you rear your head in will turn into a shitstorm. And you've proven this twice now.

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Dude, what conversation were YOU carrying on?

The one WE were involved with went like this:

- Someone pointed out a racist message board
- You came right on in and said "What's the problem? It keeps them from abusing [minorities] in public?"
- We all asserted that it doesn't necessarily keep them from doing anything because you can be racist on a message board AND committ racial violence in public. They aren't mutually exclusive.
- You said posting on message boards doesn't cause anyone any harm.
- We said it most certainly can if people can organize their real-life violent activities on a message board, and even beyond that the simple proliferation of racism itself is harmful
- You start babbling about what racism that minorities SHOULD be concerned about and how you've "experienced" it. You also delusionally believe that we want racist message boards silence and/or prosecuted simply for being racist.
- You say racism does no harm except for physical abuse or harrassment
- We shake our heads and ponder using pop-up books or sign language to get you to comprehend that you don't understand racism at all, and probably shouldn't act as if you do much less advise others on how to deal with it.

No one is saying that you shouldn't be offended by what happened. But for you to say that you've "experienced racism" from that incident is like saying you're an aficionado of Hispanic cuisine because you had a breakfast burrito at McDonalds.

Only in the most technical, literal, and mild of circumstances would that be true. Dribbling a ball doesn't make you a basketball player, and one incident wherein someone says they don't like working with people like you doesn't mean you know anything about racism.

You weren't abused. Your rights weren't infringed upon. And quite frankly, if you were one of the few or only white men she's ever known, after observing your conduct in this thread, I can COMPLETELY sympathize with her point of view. She should spend time with other white men to get past the rancid impression you left upon her.

You used that insult already. Try again.

Please don't.

Talking of racial misunderstandings, I think it fairly ironic, given the current political climate, that you take to describing your own personal racial abuser as both Indian and Pakistani.

Something else you're a little fuzzy on by any chance ?

It's easy to argue against someone when you make up their arguments for them, isn't it? Your assertion that you understand more about racism than people of colour just heaps arrogance upon arrogance. We know racism is bad because we've seen its effect. You can babble about hatred all you like, but when you compare racism to gun control or discussions about politics and business then you demonstrate that your grasp of racism is based on your own imagination.

I'd love to know what this car crash of words is supposed to mean. Do you just type what the voices tell you, or do you think about it first?

How the fuck does your mind work? You think that racists can't use the internet to organize their activities, or spread their hate...and why? Because you've decided that wouldn't happen. OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES. Take a look <a href="http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Cultures_and_Groups/White_Pride_and_Racialism/" target="_blank">here</a> and then tell me that racist organizations don't use the Internet to organize. It's not hypothetical - racism exists.

Well this one's easy enough. Or did I imagine it when you said...

"The only problem racism can cause is violence or abuse of differently-coloured folk. THAT is what you should be worried about."

If we're "misinterpreting" your points it's because you make them badly. This forum is frequented by people of every political orientation - notice how many of them are agreeing with you? Precisely none. Maybe that should tell you something.

So? She's still made a racist statement, and your passing brush with the world of is still nothing compared to the abuse you claim doesn't matter. Imagine if you heard that abuse every day, whispered under peoples breath as you passed, if you woke up each morning to find it spray-painted on your house. How easy would you shrug it off then?

You see this is what you utterly fail to understand. You can't tell people how and when racism should be an issue when you have no idea what it feels like to live with it. I'm sure you have an opinion for everything, but in this instance your opinion is based on nothing.

I don't think you should be banned either, but if it makes you feel better to take one persons comment and apply it to everyone in order to prop up your increasingly aimless arguments, go ahead.

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I read this 10 minutes ago, and just now stopped laughing. Where do you get off thinking we're hating you? WHy do you even think you'd be worthy of that strong of an emotion. You're a routine, dime-a-dozen jackass. Plenty have crossed paths with this board. I'm not going to waste perfectly good hate on them or you. I let people like you do that. I let children like you tell me to "fuck off, prick," and then claim moral superiority as if I'm "hating" or "abusing" them.

Don't be such a drama queen. You're an amusing buffoon who both entertains and confuses me. When I am so inclined, I point that out to you in different ways and watch you jump around insulted by being confronted with your true nature. That's it. Sorry.

I am against hatred in all forms. But I'm confused by those individuals like yourself that seem to actively court it and then spew it at others.

But hey...we all have our quirks.

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Oh, racist groups DO NOT use the Internet to organize their activities, which include racial abuse and violence. These same sites are NOT monitored by federal law enforcement authorities precisely because of this reason. It's hypothetical.

Ok. If you say so, then it must be. Sorry for adhering to Reality. I'll work on cutting that out.

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What misinterpretation? You said "To sum up- actual racial assault - big deal. Posting racist comments on a message board - no big deal. Get a life." and you also said "If you say it is, then you have to concede that I 'experienced racism'(and couldn't give two hoots).

Fairly cut and dried there. I did all but directly quote you.

What in the blue hell are you on about? Who is trying to ban or supress you? Simply by continuing to interact with you, we're tacitly ENCOURAGING you to express yourself.

I'm starting to reconsider doing that, tho. Between making up things that people never say along with accusing us of "misrepresenting" you by presenting something you said almost exactly as you said it....I don't see how any productive conversation can take place between us.

You have to get the basics of human communication down before you get all big and mighty and start debating, sparky.