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Shocking and awful terrorism

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ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

OK, so how is a pre-emptive war that is against international law NOT terrorism under this definition, taken from the lefty American Heritage Dictionary?
post #2 of 15
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I'm watching coverage of this grenade attack on the US base in Kuwait and it is being called a "terrorist" attack. Huh?
post #3 of 15
I'd guess that throwing grenades at soldiers during a war would be a military and not a terrorist act, but then again I'm not Ari Fleischer.
post #4 of 15
Wow the sympathy displayed here is overwhelming.
post #5 of 15
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Sympathy for what? The doublespeak used when the US engages in terrorism?
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Devin, im glad there are some other vocal anti-war people on this board. I was frankly getting tired of listening to everyone giving the benefits of this war. Yes, this war is terrorism.
post #7 of 15
So, would you then say that all war is terrorism? The aggressor is invariably doing something that you could call that.

I would argue that terrorism is a deliberate targeting of civilians. If you target combatants, it is not.

post #8 of 15
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george w. sorro:
So, would you then say that all war is terrorism? The aggressor is invariably doing something that you could call that.

I would argue that terrorism is a deliberate targeting of civilians. If you target combatants, it is not.
You can argue that, but the bombing of the Cole is considered terrorism.

I don't believe all war is inherently terrorism. But some actions in war - for example the Blitz or the bombing of Dresden or Guernica - ARE terrorist activities.

I believe that the bombing of Baghdad and other Iraqi cities are EXPLICITLY terrorism, down to the "Shock and Awe" title.
post #9 of 15
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Mike Defeated (Devin):
ter?ror?ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

OK, so how is a pre-emptive war that is against international law NOT terrorism under this definition, taken from the lefty American Heritage Dictionary?
Well, to be honest, I don't really like that definition. On the other hand, I don't particularly like the definition in use by the administration, even though I support them.

When I think of terrorism, I think "targeting civilians, " and I expect that that would have been the most common definition a couple of years ago. Now, though, "terrorism" has come to mean "unexpectedly attacking Americans," either combatants or non-combatants. So, the attacks of 9/11 and the USS Cole both count, as does the grenade attack by the American soldier on his own men.

Terrorism is the new buzzword. Anything we don't particularly like will be branded as terrorism, if possible. This is similar to how everyone had to "think of the children" a few years ago; find something that causes an emotional response, and run with it. This frustrates me to no end.

When you fight, you want the other guy to be terrified, end of story. From the boxer giving his opponent a wild look across the ring to the aircraft carrier launching missiles from hundreds of miles away, if you can instill terror in your opponent, it will be that much easier to defeat him. Terror is, or at least should be, a cornerstone of any competent military strategy.

What we are seeing today, with the soldiers dressed as civilians, the fake surrender, etc, are the same tactics employed by the Viet Cong way back when. Gorilla action is the only logical resort when faced with a clearly superior military force. When you look at it from our side, however, all we see is that those evil bastards killed some of our guys, and since "terrorism" is the word we are using for evil these days...
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thomas.galvin:
Gorilla action is the only logical resort when faced with a clearly superior military force.
Gorilla action is hard to beat, but the world will tremble at my cadre of orangutan super-soldiers.
post #11 of 15
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thomas.galvin makes great points. If the Revolutionary War were being fought with today's terminology, the British would surely have labeled many of the American Army tactics as terrorism.
post #12 of 15
It's ironic that their willingness to engage in underhand guerilla tactics and terror-based strategies were one of the major reasons why the West loved guys like Saddam and Bin Laden back in the 80s. Of course, back then, said tactics were being used against the Russians and Iranians, so that was OK...
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Dave B-eat on the Brat:
Quote:
thomas.galvin:
Gorilla action is the only logical resort when faced with a clearly superior military force.
Gorilla action is hard to beat, but the world will tremble at my cadre of orangutan super-soldiers.
I used to know a guy named Chas on rec.martial-arts that talked about radioactive orangutans. Is this a movie reference?
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Simpsons reference.
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Actually, I thought I had come up with it independently. But I've probably seen the episode.
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