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Support/Opposition to the War: the numbers

post #1 of 21
3/22/03 at 10:30pm
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CNN is reporting polls that place national approval for the war at something around 70-74%.

Interestingly, the local NYC news channel, NY1 reports that 51% of NYers OPPOSE the war, with African Americans "overwhelmingly" opposing it (no number was given).

I have been long interested in the NYC opposition to the war, which has been happening for a while. You would think that the city that was actually involved in 9/11 would be full of people who suddenly realized the need for a strong arm in the middle east, yet the people here keep being for peace. I can't tell if it's a push for peace, actually, or just an awareness that the Gulf War II will bring new terrorism, and that NYC is target #1.

I'm interested in what people think of these numbers, especially the overwhelming anti-war feelings in the black community (in NYC at least, but I bet that goes for the country).
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post #2 of 21
3/22/03 at 11:26pm
These numbers aren't terribly surprising. New York tends to skew more left then the rest of the nation. In addition, I suspect that there is a general fear of terrorism since the city is, perhaps, the number 1 target in the world. A sort of "if we don't bother them, they won't bother us" attitude. Whether this is an acceptance of the truth or a misconception is open to individual interpretation.

(edited for spelling)

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post #3 of 21
3/23/03 at 12:00am
Perhaps after the horrors of 9/11, New Yorkers are more empathic towards victims of similar predicaments.

I don't think it's fear of being a target but gaining a greater insight of living through a tragedy especially since it's a city that is populated with multiple races.
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post #4 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:42am
Major demonstrations in NY, Chicago, and SF/CA. Funny that's the places Gore won. Alot of these demonstrations are that these people hate Bush and haven't gotten over the election.
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post #5 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:43am
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Also in every major city in the world, more or less. But these foreign people all just hate America because of our freedoms, right?
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post #6 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:44am
And we all know that African Americans hate freedom.
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post #7 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:46am
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Quote:
Crash-Man:
And we all know that African Americans hate freedom.
It's why they're so uppity now. They were much happier as slaves.
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post #8 of 21
3/23/03 at 12:55pm
Came home from running errands yesterday, and the missus was watching MSNBC. Chris Matthews was discussing these numbers (support in the 70s), very happy of how the numbers support the Bush administration. The wife informed me that 10 minutes earlier they had been discussing the same numbers on CNN, which broke down to upper-90s% for registered republicans, and just over 50% for democrats, THE LOWEST CROSS-PARTY SUPPORT FOR A WAR IN US HISTORY.
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post #9 of 21
3/23/03 at 12:57pm
I saw those numbers yesterday as well. CNN also showed how much MORE support Desert Storm had among Democrats, something like 81%. The Republican numbers were pretty much the same for both wars. They just like blowing shit up more, methinks...
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post #10 of 21
3/23/03 at 12:58pm
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Yeah, I saw a report on that too. The Dems supported GW1 in the 90% approval area.

Some news analyst said that he felt that ALL these numbers are wrong, as most are politically motivated: the Dems are showing their lack of support for the PRESIDENT.

On the other hand, he said that he thought that the high approval numbers of the American people showed not that they support this war but that they feel they should be supporting the troops and the president in time of war. Any war would have these sorts of numbers in the early days, he said. I tend to agree - approval on Viet Nam used to be high, but I don't think anyone could REALLY argue that that was a war we should have been fighting.
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post #11 of 21
3/23/03 at 12:59pm
Quote:
Jacob Singer:
. They just like blowing shit up more, methinks...
Nice
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post #12 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:20pm
I heard the turnout in Atlanta for yesterday's protest was about 500.

Hmmm...Atlanta has how many people again?

Once more, statistics mean very little. There is probably more than 500 opposed to the war in Atlanta.

By the same token a poll doesn't accurately represent true opinion.
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post #13 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:26pm
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I think the Atlanta turn out is more cultural than anything. The south did have the biggest pro-war rallies, after all. That's a part of the country that has historically been really into the military. I can't think of many huge 60s peace protests in the south, either.
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post #14 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:46pm
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Mike Defeated (Devin):
I think the Atlanta turn out is more cultural than anything. The south did have the biggest pro-war rallies, after all. That's a part of the country that has historically been really into the military. I can't think of many huge 60s peace protests in the south, either.
They were too busy fighting for Civil Rights.
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post #15 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:46pm
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Quote:
Anyawatcher:
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Mike Defeated (Devin):
I think the Atlanta turn out is more cultural than anything. The south did have the biggest pro-war rallies, after all. That's a part of the country that has historically been really into the military. I can't think of many huge 60s peace protests in the south, either.
They were too busy fighting for Civil Rights.
Or crushing them. Give me a break.
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post #16 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:53pm
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Mike Defeated (Devin):
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Anyawatcher:
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Mike Defeated (Devin):
I think the Atlanta turn out is more cultural than anything. The south did have the biggest pro-war rallies, after all. That's a part of the country that has historically been really into the military. I can't think of many huge 60s peace protests in the south, either.
They were too busy fighting for Civil Rights.
Or crushing them. Give me a break.
get over yourself already.
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post #17 of 21
3/23/03 at 1:54pm
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I don't understand your point. How am I not over myself?
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post #18 of 21
3/23/03 at 4:58pm
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1000 people gathered for a pro-war rally in Times Square.

Interesting numbers.
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post #19 of 21
3/24/03 at 1:12am
I dont believe that 70+ percent agree with this war.

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post #20 of 21
3/24/03 at 1:14am
They must be assholes or something.
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post #21 of 21
3/24/03 at 2:14am
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70% + of Americans believe that to support the troops that they have to support the war. If they understood that they can support the troops without supporting the war those numbers would be different.
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