PROTEST WARRIOR

Which wars ended communism and fascism?

And why are these geniuses not organizing their own pro-war rallies instead of "infiltrating" anti-war rallies? These guys are going to find that not everyone on the left thinks that being anti-war means being anti-violence.

Well atleast we know the anti war people will FIGHT FOR SOMETHING.

They'll fight for lots of things. Just not for your oil or your empire.

Which is it: Are the protesters violent thugs or peace loving fags? Make up your minds.

There are some people to whom I would like to prove it again and again.

I would assume they are stating that WWII ended fascism (it didn't end it everywhere but it certainly halted its spread) and that the Cold War ended communism. Fascism seems redundant with nazism and the Cold War was, of course, not a war but a long stand-off with peripheral bout of violence. They probably could have found better examples such as the Holocaust or Imperialism (debatable, but WWI marked the beginning of its death). There are probably others I'm missing.

I tend to think the whole situation is a bit goofy. Most protestors are not "anti-American", although there may be a few more who fit that description then would admit it. Most are reasonable, sane people, some informed, some not. Just as on the other side of the argument. "Infiltrating" is a bit goofy but not terribly offensive. Threatening violence against them, however, makes anti-war folks look less then desirable.

I think the billions of people in China would be shocked to discover communism is over.

And the violence is my take on it. Why should that make one less than desirable? Obviously these guys are pro-violence.

This is how the thread should have been started in the first place.

Good job.

This site is creepy; particularly the posters section.

Why is it that some right-wingers automatically label anyone on the left as being Soviet-style Communists?

I suppose they mean communism in Russia. Since the Cold War isn't an actual "war" of the sort they are defending, the point is moot.

However, the sign's basic point, that war has stopped some bad things, has some merit.

Agreed. There are SOME extremists who would say that all war is bad (and all war IS bad, but sometimes painfully necessary), but I think that most of the people who protest today would NOT have been out protesting World War II.

These protests are caused by the fact that Bush has been unable to show the people a single reason to invade this country that makes any real sense. There is no reasonable justification for this war.

Where do you get this knowledge? From your time in the movement?

Up into Pearl Harbor the country was against going to war, it was Europe's problem. If we went before Pearl Harbor many people would have protested and been against it.

You're not worth a discussion. And I really don't care who you think is behind the movement, or what you think of them. You're meaningless.

Are you talking about yourself again? Way to debate!

Wait, a guy who "infiltrates" a rally to make lefties look dumb is NOT consumed with hate?

Aside: You can not get that "12 Galaxies" guy away from a camera! A San Francisco legend! I see him nearly every day downtown... obviously insane but quite the colorful character nevertheless.

(Seriously, if there's a protest anywhere in the Bay Area... he is there. He's on the local news constantly!)

Edit: Digging deeper, I see even this website needs more Frank Chu. Bizarre.

That guy didn't even scratch the surface of the San Francisco protest movement with that video.

What a disappointment.

Didn't see anybody I know though (save for the 12 Galaxies guy)... whew!

From what I hear (and heard) the Washington Square scene got prety messy this afternoon.

Hey Mike Defeated (Devin). I like your arguments, they are entertaining. But man, you seem pretty pissed towards those of us that are pro-American involvement in this war. Just as an FYI, your opinions don't rule the world. Mine have just as much weight as yours do. And believe it or not, I know of 100s of people for this war, 100s who believe America is 100% correct in this coflict, and 100s who enjoy seeing dissentors lose the moral argument as the locals in Iraq praise the liberating force. I respect your opinion, but in this case you sure as hell may not be in the majority.

Not having the majority didn't stop Bush from becoming president, so I feel like I'm on the right track.

Cynicism alert:

The average American is ignorant.

Cynicisim (sp) alert. I sure as hell don't consider myself ignorant and I am a damn proud American. I am a fine scholar of geography and culture (from college in the US) yet I still consider myself an indepentdent (leaning conservative) American, proud of my pro-liberate Iraq stance.

Should have taken one more spelling class.

Nice argument Mike, attack my spelling. I'm not writing a PHD discourse, just a late night rant.

It's cute that you don't know me.

"Cute"? C'mon Mikey, don't tell me you are sweet on me?

I like how the smiley makes things all better.

The smiley is the Chud placebo.

Mmmmm that's good placebo!

I once had a placebo that involved a wet midget and a drum of calamine lotion. Not fun.

I am confused.

The protests against U.S. involvement in WWII were extremely vociferous both in front of Congress and inside Congress. There was huge opposition internally to our involvement.

Yet a leader ignored all the opposition -opposition which we really don't hear about anymore- and took the United States to war in Europe even when we were attacked directly by only the Japanese.

Just a mild historical perspective.

I was talking about the Japanese theater, which is what people seem to keep wrongly referencing as a historical analogue to this war.

The full story of what Hitler was up to was not known here in the States. I mean, that would be the only reason we would turn away a boatload of Jewish refugees, right?

And the message is: God Bless The Information Age.

The thing I find sad about people who support the war in Iraq is that when this war was first being discussed, it was never about regime change and was all about getting rid of WMD. When the politicians couldn't get decent numbers supporting the war on that platform alone, all of a sudden it was "We are liberating Iraq." Personally, I think this war will accomplish neither. Saddam or one of his sons will still be in power by the end, and Iraq will still have whatever weapons they had before the war. Given that none of these weapons have been used yet, it leads me to believe that these weapons didn't exist in the first place.

The Protest Warrior website is hateful. They try to be clever, but really, all the site's creators have done is taken the typical "We don't take shit from anyone" US attitude towards the pablum being fed to them by the media and the government and run with it. Oh, so some protestors are dolts? Statistically speaking, if you get that many people in a group together, yeah, there will be a certain percentage that are wacked out of their skull.

I have yet to see a compelling reason for this war. To those of you claiming that the Iraqi's are giving GI's flowers and are welcoming them with open arms, keep this in mind:

Iraq has been consistently bombed by US and British forces for the last 12 years, ever since the end of the first Gulf War. Is it possible that the Iraqi's who support the Americans being there are more afraid of the US than they are of their own leader?

[edited to make more sense]

"Oh, so some protestors are dolts? Statistically speaking, if you get that many people in a group together, yeah, there will be a certain percentage that are wacked out of their skull. "

Great point. You think that these people seek out the most extreme seeming wack jobs in the crowd? Or maybe they had to interview ten people to get the one real idiot?

In the year 2003 we should better understand how editing shapes what we see.

I don't know the leadership of ANSWER personally and as such cannot tell you their political affiliations beyond their feelings on the war.

Call, don't call me ignorant. I in fact read through the entirety of the Protest Warrior content. I also watched the video (had to dl it to my computer) and yes, my original obsevration still stands. The creators strike me as white college kids who are intolerant and lacking in life experience. The video proves nothing. Sure, some of the people they spoke with may have 'looked' normal, but what does that mean? That all protestors are freaks in disguise? What is this, fifth grade all over again? Grow up.

[edited to correct spelling]