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post #1 of 13
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<a href="http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020402/1/2ncc1.html" target="_blank">http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020402/1/2ncc1.html</a>

This is a key reason we should be striving for oil independance from the middle east. Drill where we HAVE TO to get the power and energy we require.
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Iran would 'consider' using oil as weapon against US over Israel



Iran would consider using oil as a weapon to force the United States to pressure Israel into withdrawing from Palestinian territory, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi said.

Responding at a news conference to a proposal floated by Iraq Monday, Kharazi said the use of Arab oil to turn the screws on the US and Israel would depend on a collective decision by Islamic countries.

"If they decide to use oil as a weapon certainly Iran will consider it. It will be effective if all Muslim countries would take such a decision," he said on the sidelines of an Organisation of the Islamic Conference meeting on terrorism.

Iraq's ruling Baath party on Monday called on Arab countries to use their oil power against Israel and the United States to ensure the liberation of Palestinian land.

"Use oil as a weapon in the battle ... otherwise it will become a burden which will lead to (more) humiliation," the party's national command said in a statement.

Arab oil producers, who account for half of world supplies, have not used the oil card since the 1973 crisis, despite repeated calls by Iraq and others to do so.

The statement branded the United States "an enemy and a partner of Zionism," and alleged that the Israeli military offensive in the Palestinian territories "was mounted in joint agreement with the American administration."

Washington dismissed Baghdad's call as "random musings".

Deputy State Department spokesman Philip Reeker said the idea was not being taken seriously in the Arab world.

"I just don't have anything on random musings from the Iraqi regime," Reeker told reporters when asked about Iraq's call. "I don't think the Arab world takes that seriously," he added.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri, who is also attending the OIC conference here, told reporters: "It is up to the Arab oil producing countries.

"But in general terms the Arab world has the right to coordinate their policies and efforts to stand by their brothers to defend themselves.

"The Israeli threat is not only designed against the Palestinian people but against the whole Arab world."

The Minister of Justice and Human Rights of Southeast Asian oil producer Indonesia, Yusril Ihza Mahendra, said however he believed it was "quite impossible" to use oil as a weapon.

"It is quite difficult now. Oil is not so easy to be used as a weapon," the representative of the world's most populous Muslim nation told reporters.

"A lot of other countries like South America and China are also producing oil as well as other countries outside OPEC.

"Competition among these countries is quite high. Also it is not easy to reach consensus in OPEC about oil prices. What more the use of oil as a weapon? I think it is quite impossible."
post #2 of 13
"Drill where we HAVE TO to get the power and energy we require."

You understand that the oil reserves in Alaska would only last us so long. I agree, drill there if it would help...but what do we do when its all dried up? Why dont we all start putting pressure on the current administration to research alternative energy.
post #3 of 13
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I said to drill where we have to. If that means Texas, Mexico, Alaska, whatever.

Deal with Mexico: Legalize your aliens and we get to drill in your country. Fair deal to me.
post #4 of 13
Kronos, the Middle East has 67% of the world's proven oil reserves. We have 4% (Im not sure how much Mexico has to be honest)...it will not take us long at all to consume our oil. Why should we keep on pushing for temporary solutions that will only help us for maybe 5, 10 or 20 years? Why not try to fix the entire problem at once?
post #5 of 13
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I have a feeling that 4% is a little low considering the wells that were capped during the seventies which still produced but were unprofitable due to cheap Arab oil.

But that aside, have you flown over the country lately? This huge nation runs on petroleum. There's no way you're going to fuel a nation on the dream of alternate fuels. Sure, research them and develop safe ways of dealing with them.

But meanwhile we need the trucks moving and people on the road to get to work.

Alternate fuels are always a nice warm fuzzy idea.
post #6 of 13
An idea that needs to be one of our TOP TOP priorities.
post #7 of 13
Warm Fuzzy Idea?

What are we going to do Kronos when the oil reserves do eventually run out? All of us will die and society will end? I mean 20, 30, 100 years is that what will lead to the end of the world? I agree with you, lets drill if we need to, but to not prepare for the future is...suicide.
post #8 of 13
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I never said not to prepare...and to the dismay of some of my fellow technicians when I was in the industry I have ALWAYS advocated the strong researching of Hydrogen Fuel Cells. I even feel they have an application in motorsports eventually.

But to concentrate on "alternates" and not to keep lettuce flowing from California to New York is myopic at best.

Mass transit is never going to work in the U.S. And plug-in electric vehicles are dangerous on California highways due to their lack of torque, speed and range. I know, those damned things are constantly by the side of the road or in the way.

The founder of Compaq I believe has founded a company that has created a flywheel-based hybrid that has a lot of potential.

But gentlemen, this is America...more specifically, this is California. We tend to like cars that snap our heads back.

Build me a clean-burning head-snapping, ground-pounding hot-rod and you might make billions.

Hey, it's our culture as Americans. Can you imagine a Harley-Davidson with an electric motor? Who would want one?
post #9 of 13
In my opinion, Bush needs to stay the fuck out of there, because all he is going to do is screw things up more then they already are.
post #10 of 13
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My sentiments exactly...until one of the surrounding Arab Nations rolls in. Then I feel we might be obligated.

God forbid.
post #11 of 13
Ned: No one in charge of the money is concerned with anything further then the next two presidential terms. Reason? Logic? Forethought? Give it up. I mean, I'm still staggered that fuel-efficiency legislature was shot down. Twice. Quite possibly this is the dumbest thing to come out of Washington since ketchup became a vegetable.

Your government is totally against anything but burning oil because there's no money in it for their masters, plain and simple. It sounds paranoid, but it's the only reason I can think of for being so damned stupid as to think lower efficiency is better than higher efficiency.

If anyone has a better theory, let me know.
post #12 of 13
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You mean CAFE standards increases? They are cost prohibitive. Simple as that. If they passed the draconian standards recently submitted there would be no more trucks of any size that could meet them.

Try building a pickup with a hybrid-electric-gasoline engine that didn't cost $50,000.00 to the consumer and didn't come with an enormous maintanence bill then maybe you'd have something.

Please, be reasonable. Research all you want but meantime we've got to keep things moving.

Progress doesn't mean change at all costs. Could you afford the vehicles that the new improved CAFE Standards would create? My guess is no.
post #13 of 13
I say don't use our oil and dry everyone up....

...then the US would be the only country in the world would have to buy from the USA.
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