A flat tax works. - Page 2

If my taxes were spent the way kronos' were, I'd be upset too.

Sorry, Karl Marxx and his believers have never made anything out of what you define as the "redistribution of wealth." (Robbing people at gunpoint is redistribution of wealth, as is taking that which you didn't earn through taxes.)

I will repeat again and use smaller words for those having a hard time understanding it. 1. I have NEVER advocated a flat tax. 2. A Consumption tax is NOT a flat tax.

Since we need some kind of tax system, I suggest you research the Consumption tax, since, if you work and earn money and don't live off of other people's earnings, then you will be paying some form of tax. Remaining ignorant of what each type of tax will do and how it works will probably result in your being ripped off.

If a third or more of everything you earn is going to wind up going for taxes, doesn't make sense to learn as much as you can about how each form of taxation works?

One last point. The income tax is illegal as it was never ratified by the states needed to make it a law. The founders of this country believed that an income tax was an evil thing and never advocated it.

The above being said, I must give you snaps for those people here who are pretending that such a repressive thing, as our current income tax and redistribution of wealth are a viable way of life, despite the fact it has met with failure everytime people were stupid enough to allow it to take effect.

Those who have and have earned it, naturally want to keep it. Those that love to NOT earn, but feel they are entitled to the fruits of the labor of others, have been a scourge on society for a long time. They used to be called highwaymen or thieves, later communists.

All criminal activity could accurately be defined as "a lack of proper exchange." If someone broke into your house, stole your TV and left you $10,000 in cash, I doubt you'd feel like you'd been robbed. But to take without working, without having earned, is simply criminal and something those that know they are not capable of making their own way in life have advocated to the terminally stupid throughout time.

This thread is rife with such nonsense. The good news is such people will argue their side, but rearely are capable of actually doing anything about it and when confronted by those who can make their way in life, sit and complain but they take no effective action.

Those of you who intend to work and be successful have nothing to fear from such people as long as you never relax your guard and you keep up with their efforts to legallly rob hard working people who actually contribute to our way of life. Just humor them and tell them, "Yes, yes, you are probably right" and allow them to believe that their view of "From each according to ability, to each according to need," is some kind of original thought and is not the same as what Marxx and other idiots have avocated for a long time without a shred of success.

Arguing this point with those that feel the world owes them a living is like trying to talk a junkie into not robbing you. It ain't gonna happen.

Simply look at what such taxation does to insentive, creativity and wonder why would I want to spend all my efforts on a bunch of losers who wouldn't have a clue as to how to manage anything, nor have any idea to actually get something done.

Give em food stamps and let em eat the surplus grown by those who know how to produce, leave them the leftovers that the productive don't want, but don't allow them to control any political activity or they will spend all their time trying figure out how to legal rob everyone that is more successful than they are, which amounts to about most people.

The "I am incapable of earning anything, so I want what you earned," crowd is a small, small, but annoyingly vocal percentage of our society. Since those of us who can, either have accomplished something or shortly will do the same, we can afford to buy ear plugs if they get too loud.

The evil communist argument is not a valid attack on taxation. Neither is slandering people who argue against flat or consumption taxes in this thread. Silly accusations of 'idiocy' demonstrate only ignorance and a limited understanding of how a society works.

Furthermore, I do not advocate redistributing wealth in a literal sense, perhaps I should have clarified this earlier. Taking money from one person and giving it to another is rubbish. Having rich people pay more into the society from which we All benefit is not rubbish—the rich are obviously benefiting the most.

Frankly, I've seen little from those arguing for flat or consumer taxation—and those espousing the evils of taxes—in the way of informed, intelligent, or logical argument. Not willing to play juvenille games of slander the other side, I'm withdrawing from this debate until a mature argument worthy of my attention is produced.

Yes, yes, I'm sure you are probably right.

And I should clarify that I'm not attacking anyone's intelligence. We're all capable of creating good arguments, it's simply a question of whether or not any of us want to at any particular moment. This thread, at this time, does not appear to be one of those moments.

But if you feel like hurling shit around and degrading yourself, feel free. I'm happy to watch.

Are you talking to the mirror again?