France...go figure

Yeah, it's totally out of line for the silly liberal French media to freak out about a guy from the National Front potentially getting elected.

<a href="http://www.adl.org/international/LePen-1-introduction.html" target="_blank">http://www.adl.org/international/LePen-1-introduction.html</a>

Some Le Pen highlights:

"In 1987, he said that the Nazi death camps were "a mere detail" of World War II. In 1990, he was convicted of incitement to racial hatred by casting doubt on the Nazi persecution of Jews and Gypsies under a French law banning such rhetoric. He was fined the equivalent of $233,000 and has appealed the sentence to the European Court of Human Rights."

"LePen’s most egregious recent’ comment, evoking widespread protest from parties across the political spectrum and from human rights and Jewish organizations, was that "the races are not equal’ It was a comment that was repeated by the newly elected Mayor of Vitrolles, Mine Mégret, and seems to be a staple of the FN ideology. Both LePen and Mme Mégret elaborated on the statement by noting that, after all, different races have different strengths. Thus, both said, Blacks are better at sports."

This guy isn't Bush or Reagan "conservative." He's more Hitler "conservative." I think the headlines are somewhat justified.

I thought American liberals were nuts, but these French never fail to surprise me.

I think you doubt the french. They are in disbelief. A protest happened yesterday as well.

This is not good news. This is what affects our world, this is what changes our world.

These are the changes that scream for red flags.

Anti-Semites are on the rise and its got me a little bothered.

Okay, nelson, re-read my last post. Then do some reading on the National Front.

Then tell me again exactly why both liberals and conservatives shouldn't be concerned about someone who's essentially a neo-nazi getting into the last round of elections?

Maybe I didn't make moi clear. I'm not comparing liberal and the French, I'm just saying that in degree of surprise, the French startle me more THAN the liberals...and conservatives too.

Well I'm glad to see that this news makes you react. i'm French, and let me tell you I'm pretty fucking digusted and angry at the people of my country as of now. The worst thing is this: if so many people voted for him, it's because they felt sick with the regular major candidates and wanted to send a protest. I find this absolutely insane. If they so much wanted to protest against Jospin or Chirac they could have voted for one of the many smaller candidates, but no, they go voting for a FASCIST? What kind of sick twisted way of reasoning is that. Sure, the guy will never be President, but it is an alarming fact nevertheless and tells a lot, I think, about the current way of thinking in the country, especially considering the way we reacted when fascist entered the government in Austria or Italy. The worst thing is that the resurgence or extremis right wing movements is spreading all over Europe. This doesn't bode well for the future.

Does this Le Pen guy look like Jerry Lewis or something?

Le Pen said today that he would pull France out of the EU if elected president.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/22/france.election/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/22/france.election/index.html</a>

well, Le Pen will not win the second round, but of course, the they are stuck for a lot more of Chirac, who's official media nickname these days is "super-menteur" AKA SUPERLIAR. the man has more scandals surrounding him than any other politician I know of, usually dealing with gving friends political clout, building contracts etc. but I'd rather have a corrupt bastard like him in office than fuckin Le Pen. that dude scares me (what's even scarier is that there's also a Le Pen type guy in my country now, who's set to win a lot of seats in May as well... what the fuck is wrong with people these days?)

Yeah if only he wanted to exterminate all Arabs!

Believe me devilf, he wants.

It is in part right. A lot of people who voted for him did this as a warning sent to the two great political figures of the country (Chirac and Jospin), a message that basically means "we are fed up of your policies, we don't see any difference between you two and it's time for a change". But the problem is this: this election had the highest number of candidates ever: 16. So, if people wanted to show their dissaproval they could have voted for a wide array of candidates, ranging from ecologists to communists, trotskist to center-right, moderates to radical, etc etc. But no they choose to vote for the one candidate that is an outright racist,
fascist,antisemite, a threat to individual liberties and whose running of the country would be a disaster. THIS is a problem, one which should not be overlooked. I think that a vast number of French people, are at their core racist. It ranges from a little racist to outright hating, but we can't deny our country has a problem, one that needs to be solved quickly.

Man, this guy is France's answer to Pat Buchanan.

I understand the wanting of alternative politicians, but to vote for a guy who is a brown shirt away of being a Nazi.

I remember reading about him a few years ago. I think he wanted to pay white French to have white babies. Correct me Blunttmatt if I am wrong.

I was just appalled when I heard about this. That in this day and age a government official would propose such an idea. I thought there is noway this guy could go any further in politics.

God I hope this is far as he goes.

Whenever I make the ill-advised choice to pop my head into this forum full of morons raging against a few well-spoken people, it is what i see you want, judging by your endless racist spew.

Only those who I do not feel are worth my time.

You didn't mention arabs in this thread - but you have mentioned them in other threads that i have subjected myself to in fits of boredom when looking through these forums.

As predictable as ever. Make up your damn mind. In or out. Are you gonna stick around and try to make a coherent point, or are you gonna keep doing this silly, childish name calling? You continue to post in this forum even though you seem to have a holier than thou attitude about keeping out. Talk about mixed messages. I enjoy your absence, but I am sick of this half-assed stuff.

Have you heard the tale about the duck and the scorpion?

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devilf
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Member # 443 posted 04-23-2002 12:30 PM
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i think the subject covers it all

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So is this a no?

Devin, if you're going to try and make your point, you're NEVER going to get it made doing what you did in this thread and what you took part in previously.

My advice to you is to do it constructively and not divide everyone against you. But this is my opinion. You can do it your way and be all like you are. Or you can try and do it another way and not make enemies on this board.

I am just one sewer chewer with no power. I respected you, but after your comment to Kronos, that was just uncalled for. And if my respect does not matter to you, thats fine as well. I'm just speaking out and trying to make a point.

I believe if you didn't use you current techniques, you might be farther ahead, but this is again, my opinion. You don't have to listen, read or even look at it.

Devin, we've had enough mud flung on these boards before, does it really need to start again?

Good Day,
Aaron

so i guess no one wants to hear the tale. huh?

A scorpion and a duck are standing by a stream. The duck begins to waddle into the stream, headed for the other side when the scorpion says "Hey, take me with you."

The duck replies "You're a scorpion. You'll sting me while we're crossing and then I'll drown."

"No I won't," implored the scorpion. "Why would I do that... I would die too!"

"I guess you're right," said the duck. "Hop on."

The scorpion quickly gets onto the ducks back. The duck heads into the stream. Halfway through he feels a sharp sting.

"What did you do that for, " cried the duck. "You've killed us both."

The scorpion replied, "It's my nature."

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Ah the lessons of childhood

Now, Jab, see how this applies to "some" people?

The story applies to everyone. We are all ducks or scorpions from time to time. No one here has the moral fortittude to rise above playing the scorpion, just as none of us posesses an intellect above becoming the duck.

Absolutely not true.

I rest my case.

I'm not going to answer... awwwe FUCK!

That's called moral relativism, and it is a complete crock. Not everyone IS the same Adam. There are distinct differences in morals and ethics on this board. It's true no matter what side of the political aisle you fall on.

The Scorpion King!

Geeze Krono's, you're getting slow...

A well reasoned and well stated post, Seahawk. Good on ya.

If you look closer, you'll see that the scorpion-duck tale I spoke about was in response to Call's post which was refering to Devin.

This story is not meant to be a moral one...it's lesson is analagous to the fact that a leopard can not remove it's spots.

The story means to show that it is the nature of the scorpion to sting even though it says it won't. Similiar to Devin saying that he'll stick to posting in the main chewer sewer, and not post here...he'll always be posting; it is his nature to do so, even though he says otherwise.

And yes, like Call said, this doesn not apply to everyone.

Dude, it wasn't a duck, it was a frog. I agree that it's more practical to consider a scorpion riding on a duck's back than a frog's, but geographically speaking, I think the scorpion would be more likely to find a frog to hitch a ride on than a duck.

Duck or frog, however, I very much agree with your sentiment. A spot-on assessment, in my opinion.

Nelson, I'm quite capable of reading into your witty fable. I also posess the ablility to put my own twist on the story, which is inherently open to interpretation.

Frankly, the leopard and his spots is a crock of shit(certainly in this context) as far as lessons go—especially since not all leopards posess spots. And most scorpions don't sting unless threatened. It's for simple school children. But perhaps it's Devin's nature to be a scorpion. So, one could justly ask, maybe some people are ducks by nature: gullible enough to give the scorpion a ride. From this anology, one would conclude, that some of us are inherently malicious, and others stupid. But is it really Devin's nature to post caustic barbs in this forum?

Seems a bit simple doesn't it? it is.

So I say, given certain situations(on message boards), perhaps some of us act like scorpions. All of us post barbs from time-to-time. And we are all dumb enough to respond, at times. Which is hardly "Moral Absolutism." Just moral observation.

Actually I said moral relativism. And I think I, along with most here, have wasted enough time and space concerning devilf. He loves this shit, and this continuing dialogue probably makes him as happy as a schoolgirl. This is pointless, and it's time to move along to more important things.

Agreed.

Time for....

BOOBIES!

Man, this guy makes Pat Buchanan look like Jimmy Carter.

You talk about Devilf being predictable...Every thread you post either praises conservatives in some way or another or bashes liberals. At least Devilf cuts through the bullshit and says what he means.

You know what I meant, call(how your accusations of moral 'relativism' have no basis[by way of non-sequitur], since I never alluded to something concrete like homogenized moral standards). Sorry about the the mix-up. I should have read your post carefully.

It's true. You're right. I don't mean a word I say.....

I'm a conservative! Of course I praise other conservatives. What the hell kind of point is that?!?!

Anyway....let's talk about boobies!

The direction this thread has taken is 100% less interesting than French nutjob political demagogues and the electorates that produce them.

Ever hear the one about the fox and the crow?

Let's! I see a whole thread of them. Non-partisanly speaking, of course. wink