France...go figure - Page 2

Cause god knows I don't wanna see breasts that lean to the left OR the right.

Excuse me, I dont think I was very clear. You do mean what you say, but at least Devilf is is not long winded....You could just as easily post "Conservatives Rule" or "Liberals Blow" in each of your posts and it would pretty much accomplish the same thing you are doing now.

Long winded....that's a new one. But thanks for your constructive criticism. I'll therefore only post using acronyms.

ITYAFIWNTMHOFB. How's that?

LE PEN'S POLICIES

Gwladys Fouche and Simon Jeffery
Monday April 22, 2002

For the survival of the agricultural and rural world

Priority to French-produced food, guaranteeing decent incomes for farmers, declaring a moratorium on farmers' debts, defending family farms and acting to end the depopulation of rural areas.

Jobs for the French

Giving priority to French nationals for jobs and developing continuous professional training.

Family preference

A "respect for life from its beginning to its end" [seen as reform of liberal abortion laws], benefits for French parents equal to the minimum wage, allowing adoption before birth and simplifying adoption procedures for young French orphans.

Stopping the flow of immigration

Establish French and European priority in housing, jobs and social support, immediately expelling all illegal immigrants, stop family regrouping and the automatic acquisition of French citizenship.

Ending red tape

Abolishing inheritance tax for children, progressively bringing down income tax and lower taxes on small businesses.

For a Europe of nations

"Denouncing" the Maastricht, Schengen and Amsterdam treaties, ending the right of foreigners to vote in French elections, abolishing the European commission.

For a new protectionism

Re-establishing France's commercial border for French jobs and products, helping companies with markets at home and abroad and cutting back state and public expenses.

To transmit knowledge

Depoliticise teaching and schoolbooks, establish "conditions of free choice" in schools, improving the teaching of French cultural heritage and promoting merit in schools.

Helping the health service

Separating the social insurance held by French citizens and foreigners, assuring identical social protection for all French people.

For law and order

Zero tolerance, reinforcing policing at national borders, and dismantling delinquent gangs.

Reconstructing the army

Creating a national guard for territorial defence, modernising strategic nuclear forces and improving living conditions for military personnel.

For French prestige

Refuse the "new world order" imposed by the US on Nato and preserving French sovereignty in its overseas territories.

— The Guardian.

And they also sound like they could lead to the next Naziesque country. Start with a dislike of foreigners (and Im sure the foreigners in question are of the dark skinned kind), create a strong internal military force and begin isolation.

Which could also be said for Germany before Hitler came into power, kronos. It was their country.

Granted, I don't think this is near the same level, but occurrences in other countries absolutely SHOULD concern us.

You seemed pretty aware of happenings in the middle-east well before 9/11, so I'm surprised to see you, of all people, writing this off as irrelevant.

And, yes, Le Pen's policy on face-value, doesn't seem extremist (though pretty damn contrary to liberal thinking, which is the weird part, considering the splintering left you mentioned). But his past comments are cause for alarm, I'd think. We wouldn't let David Duke off the hook so easily here, even if he whitewashed (no pun intended) his message for the sake of politics.

Before debate gets too involved, it should be noted that LePen has not actually been elected. He merely received a “larger than expected,” percentage of votes(which still left(no, its not a fucking pun...wait...shit) him in second place) in the first round of French elections(note: everything in Europe must resemble a soccer tournement in order to function).

Results of first round:

<img src="http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2002/04/23/france2002_resultsmap.gif" alt="" />

I find the strong LePen support in Alsace-Lorraine[55 Meuse (20.3);
57 Moselle (23.7); 67 Bas-Rhin (23.4); 68 Haut-Rhin (23.5)] rather amusing, since most regionalists(likely LePen supporters) in those departments don’t consider themselves French.

Anyhow, one should note that official party policy, and the sentiments held by party supporters(and leaders) are entirely different things.

Guradian “le election de frog” site:<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/0,11882,681877,00.html" target="_blank">Guradian</a>
Le LePen site(au française):<a href="http://www.lepen.tv/" target="_blank">LePeni...</a>

Because no matter who wins, they will still be French.

I'm psyched that Kronos doesn't see why this is a big deal. A large number of people voting for evil is no biggie.

Awesome. Please, continue to show your true colors.

Borders language and hate.

Except for answer B...man I'd put money that you would have initially supported Hitler if you lived at that time. From the American perspective early on what was the difference?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Am I everyone who brought up WW2? Not to my knowledge...

My point is that you probably sound exactly like the people in the US who ignored Hitler when he came to power.

I can't imagine why some people would be equating the rise of a racist hatemonger in Europe with Hitler.

Please, keep telling us this is no big deal.

And Hitler and WW2 could not be less relevant to the situation with bin Laden and terrorists. If you can't understand that, all those drugs you did damaged you more than I imagined.

Yeah right this is no big deal. I may wake up in less than one week in a fascist country with all my liberties took away from me because I'm not on LePen's side but hey as long as it is not in the US; who gives a flying fuck? You know that's probably what a lot of americans thought when Hitler rised to power, in the same democratic way. And we all now how good that turned out for the US. People's egoism is really fucking scary at times.

That's why people are ganging up on you.

You are an apologist for a bad person.

Get a clue.

Either you fail to understand the gravity of the situation or you don't want to.

He gets it.

Problem is he AGREES with it.

Kronos, I don't think anyone has delusions of invading France[insert German joke here]. Of course the world isn't going to do anything except condem French politics. Who would dream about meddling in the affairs of another country—its not as though they're electing a socialist leader. That's so mid-eighties.

Any how, the issue is very debatable, since it signals the rise of right-wing sentiments in the western world. Furthermore, the policies of LePen are open to discussion, as they will affect global politics should he be elected. France withdrawing from the EU?

Let’s go through LePen’s policy:

For the survival of the agricultural and rural world

Priority to French-produced food, guaranteeing decent incomes for farmers, declaring a moratorium on farmers' debts, defending family farms and acting to end the depopulation of rural areas.

—I can only agree with this. Urbanization and the death of family farms is a serious problem.

Jobs for the French

Giving priority to French nationals for jobs and developing continuous professional training.

—Not a healthy policy in the homogenized European job market, where any individual member of the EU is employable throughout the EU. Possible platform for legitimizing race-based hiring.

Family preference

A "respect for life from its beginning to its end" [seen as reform of liberal abortion laws], benefits for French parents equal to the minimum wage, allowing adoption before birth and simplifying adoption procedures for young French orphans.

— Kooky right-to-life religious tripe. Encouraging ‘pure’ French babies(they do this in Quebec too), a precourser to more Hitlerian policies. Basically a call for French racial strength.

Stopping the flow of immigration

Establish French and European priority in housing, jobs and social support, immediately expelling all illegal immigrants, stop family regrouping and the automatic acquisition of French citizenship.

— I know France has HUGE illegal immegrant/crime problem which needs to be addressed. Possibly in a less controversial manner.

Ending red tape

Abolishing inheritance tax for children, progressively bringing down income tax and lower taxes on small businesses.

—Bald-faced appeal to old-money.

For a Europe of nations

"Denouncing" the Maastricht, Schengen and Amsterdam treaties, ending the right of foreigners to vote in French elections, abolishing the European commission.

—Seems like a harkenning back to the good old days of surrendering to Germany. A Europe of nations invading each other.

For a new protectionism

Re-establishing France's commercial border for French jobs and products, helping companies with markets at home and abroad and cutting back state and public expenses.

—Backwards but understandable policy. Dangerous only to the econemy of France.

To transmit knowledge

Depoliticise teaching and schoolbooks, establish "conditions of free choice" in schools, improving the teaching of French cultural heritage and promoting merit in schools.

—Nationalism in schools.

Helping the health service

Separating the social insurance held by French citizens and foreigners, assuring identical social protection for all French people.

—More nationalism.

For law and order

Zero tolerance, reinforcing policing at national borders, and dismantling delinquent gangs.

—Who knows what this means. Certainly more than what it appears to.

Reconstructing the army

Creating a national guard for territorial defence, modernising strategic nuclear forces and improving living conditions for military personnel.

—Militarism. Utterly stupid, since it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nuclear weapons and so on.

For French prestige

Refuse the "new world order" imposed by the US on Nato and preserving French sovereignty in its overseas territories.

—Extreme nationalism. Imperialism. Bolstering the military. Encouraging French babies. What next, an act declaring the party with over 46% of the seats gets complete control over Parliment a la Mussolini? In and of themselves, these policies are relatively inoccuous, together—as a whole—the tone is oddly familiar, in 1930’s Europe sense.

Maybe my advice for some of you a few months back to go live in France might not have been such a bad idea after all.

I just love the fact that you guys are in such a lather over this, but when I dared mention the hypocrisy of SOME in Europe for criticizing the United States and her policies some time back I was blasted for my failure to understand and be tolerant of the views of other nations.
Talk about hypocrisy.
I think this is a terrible thing, but France has no one to blame but herself.
Anti-semitism is on the rise in France, and it's Muslim population (which dwarfs the Jewish pop.) is beoming increasingly powerful and dangerous.
This was a vote that showed just how backwards and dangerous France has become, and will continue to be.
I find it hard to understand how fascism could gain such a foothold in a nation that was one of the primary victims of Hitler.

Call, this potential government is more anti-American than the current one. They consider NATO a "new world order."

The Muslim(read: North African) community happens to represent the very illegal immigrants LePen suggests deporting—he is not a result of Muslim-caused anti-Semitism,

France is no-less backwards and dangerous than the United States or any other country.

Facism is not an inherently Hitlerian concept. Russia was a primary victim of Hitler, and that certainly didn't them from being facist or Tito in Yugoslavia, or that Romanian guy with the un-typable name in Romania.

Facism is by-product of certain social ideals: extreme nationalism; isolationaism; concepts of racial purity; militarism; imperialism, and so on. LePen flirts with those ideas.

And we blasted you because the European criticisms of America were valid. Just as these criticisms of French sentiments are valid.

And why is this a bad thing and the converse not true?

I stated that the rise of the right was debatable, and the form by which it rises in France a bad thing.

I should have said far-right. Which is a bad thing in my opinion.

I wish that was a shockingly racist thing for you to say, but it's par for the course. Why are Muslims inherently more dangerous than any other group?

Hey there coward! You gonna try to make real point tonight, or just pull out all your old cliches about me being a racist?

Forget it. You never have a point to make. All you have is hate and smugness.
So let me try one of the new features of the new C.H.U.D. message boards: the ignore list!

I asked you a question.

Damn....doesn't work for the forums. Only in pm guess. Oh well.....

And you avoid the issue. Way to be cowardly.

Islam is more dangerous than other main-stream religions due to its parochial, and needless to say, patriarchal tendancies. The prodigous ability of Islam to create a thearchy wherever it takes-root is similar to that of the Catholic church, circa 1400.

In fact, one could view the present glut of jihads and intafadas as one of history's briliant ironies. Rather than an advanced Muslim culture being rampaged by backwards Christian crusaders, our modern world has regressive fundimentalists jihading against the Judeo-Christians. Whoop-dee-doo.

Anyhow, Islamist extremism, and the pervasive synergy of church and state in Islamic countries makes Islam the most dangerous religion going. Which provides nothing upon which to judge your average Muslim. Merely the religion as whole.

Cults on the other hand...

I just love the way that the losers on these boards, when they are getting their asses kicked on a political point, ALWAYS, ALWAYS try and equate what the opposite's side views are, to Hilter and the Nazis. Very cool and a tired and tested tactic when your side has been shown to be suffering from terminal ignorance.

Those who want to forcible take money away from those who earned it, those who hate and want to punish a segment of society (remember, those who have earned money are evil!) those who do the most bashing of their opponents, no matter what, love to call those who oppose them, NAZIS.

From this point forward just realize that when you are called a Nazi or are equated with the Nazis, it simply means you have won the argument.
At that point just thank them and move on.
Cool. eh?

Ok thats it. WILL YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING HYPOCRITE EVER. Go back and read our thread about the protests in New York a while back when you compared the protesters to Nazis.

The funny thing is this one of the few threads when you can use the comparisions to Nazi's. This takes place in Europe where Facism seems to be on the rise, it is not just the people on the boards condemning his rise to power but most other nations as well.

By the way, just to point this out....you just called yourself a LOSER HA, Will's a loser.

Mikah is right by the way, their is no point in talking to you and I keep on getting sucked in...that is my stupidity.

"...that is my stupidity."

THERE! You see Ned, we DO agree on somethings.

And no reply.

Sorry! I'll try and use smaller words next time so you can understand what was said.

Not you dummy. Read the rest of a thread before responding. Or have someone read it to you.