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post #1 of 97
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<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=4&u=/ap/20030501/ap_on_re_us/separate_proms_2" target="_blank">Jesus.</a>

It is somewhat amazing that shit like this still goes on, yet not.
post #2 of 97
Sad, but not very surprising.

Albany is cockfist and the armpit of Georgia. And that says A LOT.
post #3 of 97
Is Georgia in some sort of time hole where it's the 1950's? I heard about this last year and was stunned and glad they started to change. Now they want to go back. I can't believe there aren't parents or students there who can't band together and end this bull shit.
And the South wonders why it still has a bad name.
post #4 of 97
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Anyawatcher:
Is Georgia in some sort of time hole where it's the 1950's?
Thankfully, the entire state is not stuck in said hole as the heart of the Civil Rights Movement (including Dr. King himself) was born right here in Atlanta.

Sure, rural areas (like Albany, which is one of the worst if not THE worst) still contain lost souls continuing to fight the civil war. But Atlanta is a pretty sprawling metropolitan area as diverse as any you'll find anywhere. Don't paint all of Georgia with that broad a brush. You'll sound like those snotty Euro and Northern journalists that were shocked when they discovered that 1996 Olympics were not being run by rednecks in 4x4s with gunracks.
post #5 of 97
not to get too far off topic but up until 2 years ago Georgia had the Confederate Battle Flag in their state flag and still have a smaller version on their current one. The Civil War is over, The South lost and it's time to move on.

The General Lee is about the only thing that the Confederate flag looks good on.

How big a story is this in Georgia? I hope it's huge and the people who are organizing this whites only dance are shown how racist they are.
post #6 of 97
Actually, the ridiculous GA flag debate is ongoing. But that's only because the recently elected Governor Purdue (the first Republican governor in GA since Reconstruction) used the sensitive flag issue as a rallying cry for the rural 'necks. But... this will soon end as state lawmakers just decided on two flags which will be voted on by the public (I suppose in November). One of them is the current one (which was always temporary until the matter was finally settled) and the other (which I personally like better) is a return to something similar to the pre-1956 flag (it looks like the one on the bottom, only the seal on the left is gold and circled by stars like the current one) :

<img src="http://www.sos.state.ga.us/museum/images/state_flag_2001_330px.jpg" alt="" />

<img src="http://www.sos.state.ga.us/museum/images/gaflag3.GIF" alt="" />

There were some reports on the ALbany prom story on the local news here and in the AJC. Basically, the attitude here is "I can't believe there are still backwards fucks like that near us."

But remember, there are TWO Georgias. There is the Atlanta Metro area... and then there is the rest of the state.

post #7 of 97
Interesting to see how the vote turns out. Second one is better
Illinois has it's own red necks I wish didn't exist(in southern illinois). Fucked up people down there.
Wonder why this hasn't been picked up by the National networks? They are probably working on Tim Robbins and Sean Penn stories. Or that stupid Scott Peterson case.
post #8 of 97
Not that I blame this kind of ignorance on the country's recent seeming nosedive into conservatism, but how much you wanna bet these kids'll all vote Republican someday?

I know, sorry, cheap shot. Still probably true, though.
post #9 of 97
Thread Starter 
Not true at all.

Many of the racist rednecks in the South STILL blame the Republican Party for the Civil War, believe it or not, and are stalwart Southern Democrats. Although that has changed drastically in recent years.

And Republican does not = bigot, just like Democrat does not = communist.
post #10 of 97
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Matt Sutton = Smirk:
And Republican does not = bigot, just like Democrat does not = communist.
I realize that. Like I said, it was a cheap shot. But I've been living in Georgia a long time, and I'd be willing to lay cash money on a bet that if you polled those kids at that prom, they'd be HUGE Bush supporters.
post #11 of 97
Most teens love Bush and Dick.
post #12 of 97
Heh heh...
post #13 of 97
A few years back I read a story of this happening more and more around the country. Locally here where I live it happened too only there were 4 different proms at this one highschool (1 for whites, 1 for mexicans, 1 for african americans and 1 for everybody). I think its all pretty silly honestly. Basically these kids are all getting ready for prison or something. I keep thinking about that saying about the past repeating itself.
post #14 of 97
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Jacob Singer:
Not that I blame this kind of ignorance on the country's recent seeming nosedive into conservatism, but how much you wanna bet these kids'll all vote Republican someday?
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. First of all, Albany is DEMOCRAT territory. And you live here, so you should easily know by now that many Southern Democrats are actually WORSE when it comes to racism.

You've easily let partisan politics influence your thinking. Otherwise, you would not have made these comments. Let it go and see the big picture here. You're better than this.

P.S. I'm not a Republican, contrary to popular assumption.

post #15 of 97
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Jacob Singer:
Not that I blame this kind of ignorance on the country's recent seeming nosedive into conservatism, but how much you wanna bet these kids'll all vote Republican someday?

I know, sorry, cheap shot. Still probably true, though.
Jacob, come on.

You think it's part of the Republican doctrine to be racist? So, that means that it's part of the Democrat doctrine to be a Vegan enviromentalist?

I can't beleive you have a problem with the "ignorance" of this story, yet type what you did.

Yeah, it was a cheap shot.
post #16 of 97
Jacob is partly correct, being republican isn't automatically akin to being in the klan but it is just as ignorant to say most racists are not conservative leaning. Many of these in the south are democrat. David Duke was actually elected as a dem. It takes all kinds.

And as great as the city of Atlanta is, you don't have to drive too far in any direction to enter a world of 100 years ago.
post #17 of 97
DONALD BYRD

Said it before Kronos could.

Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
post #18 of 97
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Devin moves 4th dimensionally:
DONALD BYRD

Said it before Kronos could.

Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
and how VAST is your experience?
post #19 of 97
It's not too shabby.
post #20 of 97
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Carl Cunningham®:
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. First of all, Albany is DEMOCRAT territory. And you live here, so you should easily know by now that many Southern Democrats are actually WORSE when it comes to racism.

You've easily let partisan politics influence your thinking. Otherwise, you would not have made these comments. Let it go and see the big picture here. You're better than this.
Folks, you can try to contribute my sentiments to political ideology all you like, the fact is that in my very own personal experience the vast majority of 'open' racists I have met or known personally vote Republican. This includes members of my own family, unfortunately, like my grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins.

The Old South Democrat barely exists any more, and lasted as long as it did more because of the Old Boy network than political beliefs. Tradition is big in the South, and if yer Daddy voted Democrat, then so did you. Times are changing.

Did I EVER say all Republicans are racist? Hardly. But it doesn't take a genius to look at both party's platforms and figure out which one is likely to be more attractive to people who don't like non-whites.
post #21 of 97
What does Donald Byrd have to do with this convo? I'm sure you meant "former" KKK member the "honorable" Sen. from West Virginia (D)Robert Byrd.

I love how this turned into Republicans are racists and Democrats just love the black man.
post #22 of 97
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But it doesn't take a genius to look at both party's platforms and figure out which one is likely to be more attractive to people who don't like non-whites.
Jacob, thanks for bringing this up. If you would be so kind, please point me to where that would be obvious in the Republican party platform.

Thanks.
post #23 of 97
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Anyawatcher:
What does Donald Byrd have to do with this convo? I'm sure you meant "former" KKK member the "honorable" Sen. from West Virginia (D)Robert Byrd.

I love how this turned into Republicans are racists and Democrats just love the black man.
I think you should re-read the posts.

I think it's been made obviously clear that there are racist democrats.
post #24 of 97
I have read the posts. The open minded people know there are racists on both side of the fence. But there are people who brought up race and attached it to Republicans who fail to see that it's not the point of the artice.
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Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
Especially since the vast majority of the kids at this prom can't vote yet or haven't had the chance to.
People's hatred of Bush and Republicans have made them attach everything that's wrong with Bush or Republicans instead of concentrating on the bacward nature of these racist kids.
post #25 of 97
Their backwards nature involves supporting Bush.
post #26 of 97
Thread Starter 
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Devin moves 4th dimensionally:


Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
Oh please. That would be like me saying, in my experience, most Democrats are bigots (against religion, opposing viewpoints etc). Or, although its certainly not the same thing, most women are bitchy, or most Mexicans are lazy.

Let's try and be civil and avoid broad, ignorant generalizations. I know its hard, because you really really want to believe these things, or do to a certain extent, but you would CRUCIFY me if I said those other things.
post #27 of 97
Keep in mind that Devin's definition of racist includes people who order egg-white omlettes.
post #28 of 97
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Z-Man:
Keep in mind that Devin's definition of racist includes people who order egg-white omlettes.
I'm fairly sure that's homosexuals. Now, where's my mayonaise ...
post #29 of 97
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Devin moves 4th dimensionally:
Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
Although this will probably hurt your cause more than help it, I have to agree with Devin here.
post #30 of 97
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Sean Bateman, Master of Hyperbole:
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Devin moves 4th dimensionally:
Most Republicans are, in my experience, pretty racist.
Although this will probably hurt your cause more than help it, I have to agree with Devin here.
You guys need to meet some more Republicans.
post #31 of 97
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Grifter:
You guys need to meet some more Republicans.
Well, is there a Klan meeting this weekend?
post #32 of 97
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Jacob Singer:
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Grifter:
You guys need to meet some more Republicans.
Well, is there a Klan meeting this weekend?
Oh!! So witty you are Jacob.
post #33 of 97
actually, I believe Jacob has a pretty solid point, but it's a matter of semantics.

If you operate under the assumption that Republicans are conservative, than most outward racists lean conservative, and are therefore Republican-favoring people.

They make incessant complaints about the liberal media. Their advocacy groups, like the Council of Conservate Citizens (or CCC in lieu of KKK), welcome Republicans and garner the respect and admiration of the Trent Lotts and John Ashcroft types who grant interviews and endorsements as long as they aren't being watched by national media sources. They tend to lean pro-war like Republicans in order to make sure "that Bin Laden, Hussein, and all of them other non-English speaking blah blah blahs get theirs."

It's not a blanket generalization if the facts of the matter bear your point out, and all things considered, I think they bear out Jacob's point.

That's not to say that liberals and Democrats cannot be racist, for they most certainly can and are. BUT as far as outward, organized, and PHYSICALLY VIOLENT racists...they prefer to make theirs Republican.

The "Southern Democrat" archetype is just codespeak for a Republican "liberal," just as the Northeastern Republicans like Olympia Snowe and James Jeffords are more Liberal "Republicans."

But the funny thing is...this all rests on the fulcrum of modern day Republicans being conservative, and in the fidcal and civic senses of the word, they aren't in the least. Only in the social sense. But that's enough for most outwardly racist groups.

And that's why Bush can toe the line by saying after 9/11 that we shouldn't lump Muslims together, and then in the Iraqi buildup, he tried to blend them together to create some absurd terrorist coalition between Hussein, Al-Queda and other groups that never existed. Then, he gets the rep of being tolerant while placating the "Bomb 'em to hell, Dubya!" faction, too.
post #34 of 97
So, are Conservative Democrats racist? Or just likely?

So, Conservative Republicans ARE likely racist, yet Liberal Republicans are not? And, Liberal Democrats definitely are not racist?

This muddled mess of semantics confuses me so.

Or, it could just be that labels of ANY kind suck ass.

post #35 of 97
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Carl Cunningham®:
So, are Conservative Democrats racist? Or just likely?

So, Conservative Republicans ARE likely racist, yet Liberal Republicans are not? And, Liberal Democrats definitely are not racist?

This muddled mess of semantics confuses me so.

Or, it could just be that labels of ANY kind suck ass.
Real simple: Anyone from any group can be racist, however American racists, especially organized ones, tend to lean Conservative/Republican - which excludes "Republicans" like Snowe.
post #36 of 97
So what you're trying to say is that most racists, be they republicans or democrats, are Southerners.

Good to know.
post #37 of 97
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Burke is Down in the Zero:
So what you're trying to say is that most racists, be they republicans or democrats, are Southerners.

Good to know.
Huh? Where'd I mention that geography is a determining factor? Culture, yes, but I don't think map coordinates and climate make you more or less prone to be a racist.
post #38 of 97
Well, you did go into detail about the differences between Southern Republicans and Northern Republicans, noting

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That's not to say that liberals and Democrats cannot be racist, for they most certainly can and are. BUT as far as outward, organized, and PHYSICALLY VIOLENT racists...they prefer to make theirs Republican.

The "Southern Democrat" archetype is just codespeak for a Republican "liberal," just as the Northeastern Republicans like Olympia Snowe and James Jeffords are more Liberal "Republicans."
and we've already heard that there are some Southern Democratic racists. Naturally, I just assumed that the binding glue for most racists was that they were from the South! wink

You might also want to mention that most hard-core racists who are "pro-war" are also steadily pro-choice, due to statistics showing that the percentage of minority abortions is higher than their current population level. That must be hard to reconcile when they're busy stuffing the republican ballot.
post #39 of 97
Just to keep things in perspective, I have a question.

If someone were to meet you in a bar, and mention to you, over casual conversation, that they were against things like welfare and affirmative action.

Would there be an automatic assumption that they were racist?
post #40 of 97
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Grifter:
Just to keep things in perspective, I have a question.

If someone were to meet you in a bar, and mention to you, over casual conversation, that they were against things like welfare and affirmative action.

Would there be an automatic assumption that they were racist?
Not necessarily racist, but definatly gullable.
post #41 of 97
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Burke is Down in the Zero:
and we've already heard that there are some Southern Democratic racists. Naturally, I just assumed that the binding glue for most racists was that they were from the South! wink
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No, just noting that in some areas, POLITICAL IDEOLOGY is particularly of one stripe or another - despite what they may try to name themselves - , and that, too, has to do with culture.

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You might also want to mention that most hard-core racists who are "pro-war" are also steadily pro-choice, due to statistics showing that the percentage of minority abortions is higher than their current population level. That must be hard to reconcile when they're busy stuffing the republican ballot.
That wouldn't be pro-choice, but rather pro-abortion - specifically minority abortion - completely in-line with the Pro-Life/Abortion is Murder ethic native to social Conservatives, and so I wouldn't imagine they'd have to work very hard at rationalizing it at all.
post #42 of 97
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Grifter:
Just to keep things in perspective, I have a question.

If someone were to meet you in a bar, and mention to you, over casual conversation, that they were against things like welfare and affirmative action.

Would there be an automatic assumption that they were racist?
No, because people are rarely completely against either thing.

I'd want to know if they were against government subsidies to businesses and relief payments from organizations like FEMA that help victims of weather and disasters get on their feet, and if they said no, then we'd have to specify which KIND of welfare they were against and why they approved of the other welfare types.

As for Affirmative Action...same thing. I'd ask a host of questions about that before I could make any sort of determination on where they stood.
post #43 of 97
Mikah, BRAVO.

As for:

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Not necessarily racist, but definatly gullable.
What?

How is gullable even remotely usable here?
post #44 of 97
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Grifter:
Mikah, BRAVO.

As for:

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Not necessarily racist, but definatly gullable.
What?

How is gullable even remotely usable here?
Because the new thing in modern times is how 'racist' affirmative action is racist. About how it actually holds down minorities. Neither of which are true.
(can apply to welfare as well, because like it or not, welfare is often associated with urban minority areas)

Most people I know who are against affirmative action give the same response as to why - "It's racist".

Racist is perhaps the most feared word for white people. People have gotten so worried about being labeled as such that political correctness has become dominant in society. If you explain to a white person (this is most effective if it is coming from a minority) that supporters of affirmative action are actually racist, you can get their attitudes to shift quickly and ignore what these initiatives have actually done to help both minorities and white americans.
post #45 of 97
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mikah912:
That wouldn't be pro-choice, but rather pro-abortion - specifically minority abortion - completely in-line with the Pro-Life/Abortion is Murder ethic native to social Conservatives, and so I wouldn't imagine they'd have to work very hard at rationalizing it at all.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here so you can correct me if I misinterpret. Pro-abortion and pro-choice are pretty much the same thing in their results, which is dead babies. However, it's interesting that you're willing to deflect the genocide of minority babies, gleefully supported by hard-core bigots, because they're only pro-choice for some as the conservative viewpoint on abortion. Are any pro-choicers really pro-choice for everyone or are there some babies that shouldn't be aborted? If so, if there are degrees of choice, then the bigots are right in line with the current pro-choice thinking. Ergo, they are pro-choice.
post #46 of 97
GFC, I just find it interesting that you repeatedly equate racist with white people.

post #47 of 97
You can be racist without wishing all children of another race are aborted.
post #48 of 97
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Grifter:
GFC, I just find it interesting that you repeatedly equate racist with white people.
How intriguing! Maybe I'm racist!
post #49 of 97
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Guttenberg Fan Club:
You can be racist without wishing all children of another race are aborted.
I'm only talking about the hardcore Aryan Brotherhood style bigots, not the run of the mill Archie Bunker type.
post #50 of 97
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Guttenberg Fan Club:
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Grifter:
GFC, I just find it interesting that you repeatedly equate racist with white people.
How intriguing! Maybe I'm racist!
I would never imply any such thing, my friend. Simply stating that I found that pattern interesting.
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