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[quote]Guttenberg Fan Club:
I was using the DC sniper thing as what the legislature was using as a high profile example. If it wasn't that case it be another.
It wasn't meant to read that beacaus of thiat case, not the thousands of others killed by guns, only the sniper case is why the Bill was being introduced.

Anyawatcher, any individual occurance might be the catalyst for introducing a bill, but it doesn't mean there isn't other precedence to support it.

He advocated that His followers carry swords. I'm generally more comfortable with blades.

The AMA does not, however, report how many of those deaths were committed by guns that were already illegal, nor how many crimes were prevented by a weapon. In fact, they have no way of doing so.

BINGO

So because they can't report something it simply doesn't happen???

I know that, but these politicians are using this high profile case to stir up emotions.
The bill was doomed from the start and was probably put in to make the wacky left in the Dem Party(small minority) happy.

No, but if your going to make a claim, there should be facts that back it up.

Not entirely a bingo. I would think if you wanted facts about crimes thwarted by guns, you'd have to consult FBI crime statistics or something, not the AMA. Why would they have that info?

Pirahna, there are no statistics that show that guns deter crime. Seriously, find some. It's like the Death Penalty in that way.

As for Poxy's question - you shouldn't claim something has an effect you can't prove.

[quote]thomas.galvin:
If there were a large number of crimes being pevented by guns I can practically guarantee that those stats would be plastered all over every piece of paper the NRA sends out. The fact that they are not says a whole bunch. Pro-gun groups will latch onto any story that even implies that a gun somehow prevented a crime and yet these stories are still very few and far between.

I'm not saying for certain that they do. Only that I've heard statistics that say they do. I don't subscribe to them because I haven't read them.

But to say that since the American Medical Association can't figure out how many crimes are prevented with guns is like saying that no one can...that's screwy, because why would they figure this out? It's not their job. Why don't comic book stores determine how many planes take off each day? Why would they?

Certianly somewhere there are statistics going into this. What they prove or don't, I can't say.

Because they are a medical association, and do not have access to police reports.

Well, somebody must, right? Yet we don't see them here. We see made up numbers only, nothing backed up.

When a claim is made, you ask where the numbers are. When you are shown numbers, you say there is no correlation. It would be much simpler for you to say "I just don't like guns."

Guns are weapons of mass destruction?

I'm a liberal, and I have to say that's a bit of a stretch.

Let's not let flawed metaphors keep us from the true argument.

A gun, that's not very dangerous.

Gun FREAKS, now they're dangerous.

You show me numbers that have no substance. Just because a flyer SAYS 2 million crimes are stopped doesn't mean that it's true. There is no documentation of that number.

Tell you what - I'll whip up a PDF that says that guns are bad, Jesus is fake and you should send me all your money. Since you believe anything you read, I take PayPal.

Then please use your above statistics to explain Japan.

And try to find "facts" that aren't thinly disguised NRA releases.

Just thought i'd mention that half of gun deaths in this country are suicides. I bet the NRA wishes these people would just stick their heads in the oven and let the gas rip. That'd bring those gun death numbers down.

Yes, instead of getting killing machines out of the hands of mentally troubled teens (many of the suicide victims) let's wish they'd die another way.

The ever-looming threat of Godzilla.

Some of the people in this thread seem to downright fetishize handguns.

Creepy.

Good one, Pox.

Would you be happier if they jumed out of windows.

It's a lot easier to pull a trigger than to jump out of a window.

Besides, what if they live in a one story house?

Maybe I'm the onlt one who's not getting it, especially since I don't have time to read those reports, but...

What about Japan? What's the issue there?

Grifter, despite your attempt at sarcasm, I did indeed click on every link you supplied. Not one of them took an objective stance, each link you provided started with a pro-gun stance and then proceeds to substantiate it.

I could link to just as many anti-gun essays, from law-enforcement, civilian and political angles.

We need reliable numbers on handgun deaths and so-called prevented crimes, not inflated and dressed up op-ed pieces.

But thanks for playing. See, I can be sarcastic too.

Japan: no guns, and probably one of the most murder-free industrialized nations on Earth.

The "jumping out of windows" was what Archie Bunker said to his daugter about gun control.

That's like quoting Hitler in a Kabbalah discussion.

It was a joke dumb fuck. Get the stick out of your ass and realize that.

Interesting how you skewed it to think I wish they'd die another way when I mentioned as a joke what the NRA thinks of these people jumping up the gun death rates. I don't wish anyone would die. Leave your assumptions at the door sparky.

Culture explains a lot of this. Conformity is a national obsession, and even the non-conformists conform to a standard type of non-conformity.

Also, it is an island, with a history of not having guns (yes, only since 1945, but they were all taken away). The US has porous borders on both sides, and you can smuggle through anything you want. If you make guns illegal, the only people that won't have them are those who obey the law.

That being said, this will never pass.

I'm not into banning firearms or anything, but I do have a question:

All you gun-nuts out there, or even the casual enthusiast, why do you want a gun and why do you like them? What is the whole attraction of having something that can kill? Seriously, I never understood the American love for weapons. It reminds me of the pointless love for the Confederate flag. Is it a self-esteem thing?

It's a substitute penis for many, Boomstick. Makes 'em feel like a real man.

I have absolutely no problems with guns themselves, just the religious-like obsession some seem to have for them. Like I said earlier, it's like some weird sexual fetish for some people.

Just wanted to tick a few people off here and make mention that I will soon obtain my gun permit and will be picking up the Sig p229 handgun.

Of course the whole reasoning behind this is my desire to become active in federal law enforcement but I must admit once you start learning guns and firing them they are not as scary as one would think. Proper knowledge of the weapon and handling of course should be a prerequisite for a gun owner. In fact I was surprised at how non intimidating the handgun is once you begin to handle it and make use of it.

I would recommend everyone at least to fire a gun off at a proper shooting range that gives a proper instruction just to get an idea of what you are either for or against. Just for some perspective. Don't have to but I think it would be benefical.

And, I must admit, trap shooting is quite fun.

I know, and I heartily agree. I just want to hear it from someone who's 'packin' heat.'

I enjoy violent movies, I can see the allure of target shooting,and I love playing paintball, but I don't ever have the slightest desire to get a gun. I just don't understand the love.

Plus I have a HUGE cock.

That doesn't piss me off in the slightest. I just don't understand the lust-in-the-loins thing about owning something that was designed to fire bullets into living things. As far as you getting a permit, more power to you, and I hope you are successful in your quest to become a federal officer.

I admit I have no desire to readily kill anyone, or maim, or anything else really.

And luckily for me I have a girlfriend (that I am pretty sure I will marry unless I get killed by her wink ) that grew up around guns and is not fazed by them in any way.

Also going to the shooting range is a bit of a surreal experience (even here in California) but I don't really think anyone there is just waiting with baited breath to shoot anyone who tresspasses. I don't know. I don't believe the picture painted of gun owners is entirely accurate what-so-ever. Nor those of the NRA. But there are always those who will fit that descripition and get the most exposure.

As for children in the home...once your children reaches a certain age I believe that if you have a gun in the house they should be immediately taught the power of such a weapon and the respect must be paid to it. And that includes going to the shooting range. I don't believe a simple "Bad. Don't touch" will suffice. And nor would any other safety measure such as key guards and keeping ammo and gun separate (something you should do anyways). Now that idea probably scares some people. But know that it is harder to fire a gun (by a child) than it is to stab one self with the steak knife.

Also I admit there is a bit of coolness when loading a gun and sliding the chamber into place. The only thing is that you don't let that "coolness" overtake common sense and good judgement.

I don't carry, but I have been looking at getting a gun for quite a while. There are your stereotypical loons who have guns (like the guy at the shooting range who has a bin Laden target, doesn't hit it from 5 yards away, and then says "I can see why those boys can't get bin Laden. He was 5 yards away and I couldn't hit him!"), but I would say most of them are your average guy on the street, even if they are gun fanatics.

Shooting is a hobby a lot of people like, but not necessarily people or animals (but there are people like that). In addition, gun collectors are in some sense just like comics collectors or those that collect stamps, cards, or whatever. To each his own.

Just think about a few things here:

1) Guns are aggresive cues. If you were even contemplating violent action and a gun is in your sight it will increase your aggresion and violent thoughts. Several scientific studies have proven this.

2) You are ten times more likely to kill someone in your own family with a gun then to defend yourself from an intruder. Everyone is all worked up about someone breaking into their home when the odds are so fucking slim it is ridiculous. Even if someone does break into your house you will most likely shoot the wrong person on accident.

3) Guns kill people. 'Nuff fucking said.

Thats very observant.

Yeah, if you are a drunk four year old special ed. student.

1) How about throwing up a link?

2) This is true, but they count suicides in the "killing someone in your own home" factor, making it look like they are all accidental deaths. They're not.

3) Tired.

Me too. Even thogh the guy came out and said he got it wrong. Fuck off! I was ENJOYING being lied to, leave me the fuck alone!