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Kerry to speak at Bob Jones University???

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<a href="http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=357" target="_blank">From the New Republic:</a>

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WHY DOES JOHN KERRY WANT TO SPEAK AT BOB JONES UNIVERSITY?: In 2000, while stumping for Al Gore, John Kerry quipped, "The definition of compassionate conservative is Bob Jones III forgiving John Rocker." At that point in the campaign, of course, Bush was struggling to overcome a media firestorm that had erupted after he spoke at Bob Jones University, a virulently anti-Catholic and anti-gay school that then had a ban on interracial dating. Bush, who declined to challenge any of the college's policies during his appearance, made his pilgrimage to the university en route to winning the crucial South Carolina primary.
To Democrats, BJU has been a symbol for Republican intolerance ever since. In 2001, when President Bush appointed John Ashcroft attorney general, much of the case against the recently-defeated Missouri senator was his association with BJU. "I also find it hard to understand," Kerry said on CNN, "how someone can be deemed to pull together the country when they have accepted an honorary degree from Bob Jones University and give a commencement address there with its policies that I think have been discredited to the point President-elect Bush had to apologize to the Catholic community."

Since then, Bob Jones University has removed its ban on interracial dating, and the Democrats have begun stumping in South Carolina for their own important presidential primary there. Then last weekend Kerry became the first Democrat to say he would visit the controversial school. At a candidate meet-and-greet in Columbia, South Carolina, on May 3, a 53 year-old mother of five asked Kerry if he would come speak at Bob Jones. "I would love to," the senator told her, without missing a beat. When asked by a reporter why she wants Kerry to visit, the woman, who declined to give her name, replied, "I just think it's time for Democrats to come across as Christian."

When one senior Kerry advisor who had not heard about the Senator's remark was asked about the exchange, he e-mailed, "Do you really think he would seriously speak at Bob Jones, c'mon." But it turns out Kerry is serious. Press secretary Robert Gibbs says the remark was "completely spontaneous on Kerry's part but very serious." Gibbs explains in an e-mail: "Senator Kerry would love to speak at Bob Jones, challenge the university and tell them everything that George Bush did not have the courage to say in 2000 about views that clearly have no place in our society."

So can a candidate who attacked others for speaking at BJU credibly go there himself? On the one hand, with all of the colleges and universities in South Carolina to pick from, why dignify the most intolerant of them with a high-profile visit, no matter what you say once you get there? The Democrats' previous position seemed to be to condemn and shun the school, not engage in dialogue with it. On the other hand, it's true that Ashcroft's and Bush's sins weren't just that they visited BJU, but that they failed to speak out against its reprehensible policies and, in Ashcroft's case, tacitly endorsed racism and bigotry by accepting an honorary degree there. The South Carolinian who started all this agrees: "The problem before was that the candidates didn't question the policies," the woman who queried Kerry told TNR.

No word yet on whether Bob Jones III will let Kerry speak.
This would be a very gutsy move on Kerry's part, and if it worked he would certainly be the candidate to beat in the Dem primary. I don't know how you go make a speech and inform a large group why everything they are doing is wrong but more power to him if he has the sack to do it.
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Ooooo...hypocrisy all around! First Bennett, now Kerry?

I feel my disdain about to rise due to politicians and their allies in the media again. Gak
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At the risk of being Mr. Leftie, I don't think he's being hypocritical if he explicitly condemned someone for speaking there because of "their policies," and now said policies have been lifted. And because he never denied making the statement and is openly owning up to it, standing behind it, and being challenging of their ideals at the same time, I don't see where he has done one thing and said another - as is the definition of hypocrisy.
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Is Kerry legitimizing Bob Jones if he goes there and rails against their policies and attitudes? I'll wait to see how he handles it before I condemn the guy, but I think the best course of action would be to ignore BJU altogether.
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I wish I had gone to BJU! Sounds fun.
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mikah912:
I don't see where he has done one thing and said another - as is the definition of hypocrisy.
Kerry or Bennett? Because you do know that you're describing both there, don't you?
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So you don't think that preaching against vices while all the time having a hugely expensive vice is hypocritical?
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Nope, not in Bennett's case for obvious reasons. And I don't see anything hypocritical in the Kerry case either.
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Kerry would be hypocritical if he simply used BJU (best acronym ever) as a beneficial campaign stop to play up his "faith". The only way going to BJU would *not* by hypocritical is if he goes there and lets them have it with both barrels. Of course, he would then likely run the risk of getting it with a non-figurative barrel, and I'm not talking about a run-in with Donkey Kong.
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Jacob Singer:
So you don't think that preaching against vices while all the time having a hugely expensive vice is hypocritical?
Ah, but Jacob, he wrote the book on vices (literally) and yet didn't include gambling. That means that it isn't one.
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Even though his precious Bible tells him so.
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The Bible does not (that I am aware of) specifically speak against gambling for money.
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Come on over to the Bennett thread, Scott. Your voice would be welcome. You, too, CT.

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Clarence Beaks:
Even though his precious Bible tells him so.
Also the tenenats of his church do not forbade gambling. It only forbades it when he can no longer provide for his family because of it. Of course I don't really believe in losing 8 million dollars on gambling myself but if he could still provide for his family then I guess he could.

Of course if I did this I would deserve it both barrels. Because I speak out against it.
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Scott Roche:
The Bible does not (that I am aware of) specifically speak against gambling for money.
Although it does speak of being a wise steward with what the Lord has provided to you. I don't think he was a wise steward what-so-ever but according to his church's doctrine he was not breaking that rule. I guess it comes down to doctrinal differences. Some churchs allow homosexual preachers, most do not. They just look at it differently or interpret it differently.
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Jacob Singer:
So you don't think that preaching against vices while all the time having a hugely expensive vice is hypocritical?
Ah, but Jacob, he wrote the book on vices (literally) and yet didn't include gambling. That means that it isn't one.
Fact check: HE edited a tome of stories which extoll virtues.
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Kronos vas in Munich Circus:
Kerry or Bennett? Because you do know that you're describing both there, don't you?
I don't believe that I've made ANY comment on Bennett, but if that's the case, good for him.
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Kerry will puss out of this and still figure out a way to get some pull out of it.
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Burke is Down in the Zero:
I wish I had gone to BJU! Sounds fun.
I'm glad someone else commented on that. The irony, that a place this intolerant, tight assed, and repressed, is named BJ-U is inescapable.
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Clarence Beaks:
Kerry would be hypocritical if he simply used BJU (best acronym ever) as a beneficial campaign stop to play up his "faith". The only way going to BJU would *not* by hypocritical is if he goes there and lets them have it with both barrels. Of course, he would then likely run the risk of getting it with a non-figurative barrel, and I'm not talking about a run-in with Donkey Kong.
And to ravage your poor innocent metaphor with an inappropriate pun, I think Kerry has Jones over a barrel, for down at the bottom of the last graf, we find:

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No word yet on whether Bob Jones III will let Kerry speak.
The administration at BJU now has the choice of letting a known liberal and papist set up in the auditorium and, quite possibly, give them a public pimpslapping in front of the student body, or of turning him down (publicly, through channels, it doesn't matter) and handing him an opportunity to a)look ballsy for even accepting the suggestion and b)paint them as chickenshit.

Exactly what Kerry might say to a BJU audience is an interesting topic of speculation, but I'm not so sure they're going to call his bluff and let us find out...

ETA: Lo and behold: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36954-2003May9?language=printer" target="_blank">Bob Jones University Won't Welcome Kerry</a>

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