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Lifting Ban on Low-Yield Nuclear Weapons

post #1 of 15
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Read the article:

<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=1512&e=13&u=/afp/20030510/wl_afp/us_politics_nuclear_030510122730" target="_blank">Yahoo news</a>

Then read a reaction:

<a href="http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm" target="_blank">Federation of American Scientists</a>
post #2 of 15
My opinion of nuclear weapons remains unchanged no matter how low-yield.
post #3 of 15
They're good to kill bugs with.
post #4 of 15
Sickening.
post #5 of 15
can't we just stick to the holy hand grenades and keep away from this nonsense? Ernest Borgnine isn't around to re-align the Earth into its natural orbit...

a bad idea.
post #6 of 15
Better yet...nuclear hand grenades. The grunts won't use them, they'll know better.

Why are we developing a 90kiloton yeild BUNKER BUSTER?
The panel also approved 15 million dollars for development of Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, also known as a "bunker-buster" for its ability to penetrate and destroy underground bunkers.
The new bunker-buster would be a redesign of an existing nuclear weapon, and would have yields six times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, The Los Angeles Times said.


The fallout from this would be devestating.
post #7 of 15
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Coyote has a Bathtub full of JAM:
Better yet...nuclear hand grenades. The grunts won't use them, they'll know better.

Why are we developing a 90kiloton yeild BUNKER BUSTER?
The panel also approved 15 million dollars for development of Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, also known as a "bunker-buster" for its ability to penetrate and destroy underground bunkers.
The new bunker-buster would be a redesign of an existing nuclear weapon, and would have yields six times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, The Los Angeles Times said.


The fallout from this would be devestating.
Actually, there probably wouldn't be much fallout from such a device.

Bunker-buster weapons usually burrow a considerable distance beneath the surface (anywhere between ten and forty-or-so metres) prior to detonation. Because of this, the actual ‘weight of earth’ above muffles much of the explosion and radioactive ejecta is invariably kept to nominal levels.

There’s plenty of good scientific evidence to back this up too (garnered from copious amounts of underground testing conducted by the US and USSR mainly in the seventies).

Of course, the question of what would happen if such a device detonated prematurely is another matter entirely.

IMO, this whole thing is a bit of a red-herring, as anyone with even a modicum of sense should realise that defending against such weapons is fairly easy: you just build your bunkers deeper where it becomes increasingly difficult for even high-yield nukes (one megaton upwards) to make much of an impression.

In all likelihood, this is merely a ‘backdoor method’ into some other kind of weapons research, which remains altogether nefarious and abstruse at this time.
post #8 of 15
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Agentorange, you need to read the second link above. Forty meters isn't going to cut it, and the nuclear device probably wouldn't survive the sudden deceleration on impact.
post #9 of 15
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billz3bub, Pity Sex King:
Agentorange, you need to read the second link above. Forty meters isn't going to cut it, and the nuclear device probably wouldn't survive the sudden deceleration on impact.
I've read the link, but I've been keeping tabs on this subject for quite some time (hey, you've got to take any edge on offer in war gaming! &lt;grin&gt.

'Clean' (in the relative sense) bunker-busters are perfectly feasible at such depths. In fact <a href="http://jdw.janes.com/" target="_blank">Jane's Defence Weekly</a> ran a couple of articles on this very topic late last year (IIRC).

I agree that the current crop of delivery mechanisms (GBU-28 & Co) probably wouldn't be suitable for such payloads, but the newer-generation stuff in production - who knows?

BTW did you know that the US and Russia have both conducted research into the use of satellite-deployed kinetic-weapons for just this role?

You'd need one hell of a bunker to withstand one of those. &lt;ouch!&gt;
post #10 of 15
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What becomes so dangerous is that we tempt other countries to think in these terms also. Nuclear war on any scale provides disasterous consequences.
post #11 of 15
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billz3bub, Pity Sex King:
What becomes so dangerous is that we tempt other countries to think in these terms also. Nuclear war on any scale provides disasterous consequences.
No doubts about that, and as stated previously: I don't see the point in such devices as you could quite easily design a conventional weapon to do the job with just as much efficiency (and a good deal less risk).
post #12 of 15
I think it's for the deterrant. Our city-buster nuclear weapons are all but worthless. Rogue states know we won't use them because they are too destructive. If we shrink the size, down to something like 5 kt, then they become "useable," and therefore, an effective deterrant, even if we don't ever use them.
post #13 of 15
There is no justification at all for the development of any new nuclear weapons, new nuclear weapon packaging, or new nuclear weapons classifications.

I'm one of the few non-nuclear right-wingers you'll ever find.
post #14 of 15
Then if it's just a scare tactic, why not just SAY that you have them, when indeed, you don't? Or maybe that's what's being done.

And if it is being done, why? It only promotes more countries to WANT nukes.

I fucking hate weapons.
post #15 of 15
That is the catch-22 behind nukes. I don't know if we will ever be able to put the genie in the bottle, so at best it can be used as a deterrant force. At this point, however, nobody thinks we'll use ours anymore. With Russia out of the way, I think there are many nations that think the US would absorb a hit and strike back conventionally instead of with nukes, because we wouldn't want to, say, nuke Pyongyang, killing a million Koreans, then have the prevailing winds blow fallout over Southern Japan and cause more deaths. I still don't think we'll use a smaller weapon because they are too dirty, but we do need something to replace all these 1+ megaton bombs designed for a) taking out cities or b) taking out Soviet missile silos.
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