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post #51 of 54
5/20/03 at 10:10am
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Dan Whitehead:
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Papa Trouter:
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Why would any private oil company start pumping in a lot more oil, when they are already making near-record profits ?

Simple economics, you don't increce the supply if there is still money to be made.
Even simpler economics: more often than not, it's just as important to stop other people having a resource as it is to make use the resource yourself.

The US has plenty of oil supplies that are more convenient and more plentiful than Iraq. Logically speaking, there's no need to possess the Iraqi oil fields. But since when has modern capitalism been about "need"?

It's better (from their perspective) for a US oil firm to control Iraqi oil even if they never use it, than to have someone else own it.
Hmmm, this sounds vaguely familiar to the diamond industry.

Create a dependence on product. Check
Control the supply. Check.
Slow output. Check.
Artificially inflate prices. Check.
Have lots of excess supply not in use. Check.
Lots of profits for many years to come. Check.
Lots of blood shed over the land which contains said resource. Check.

Sounds like a nice economic model to me. What company in their right mind wouldn't want a situation like that.
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post #52 of 54
5/20/03 at 12:38pm
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Beer Die:
The left will say that Bush accomplished nothing in trying to stop the attacks through the "war campaign on terror"...
Give the guy some credit. With all the collatoral damage accumulating around the rubble of Afghanistan and Iraq, the terrorist groups have probably been receiving a rush of new recruits at a rate not seen since Israeli troops rolled into Lebanon. Now that Dubya and crew have wiped out the "imminent threat" posed by Iraq, we're probably less safe from international terror than we have ever been since the Twin Towers fell.

So, really, you have to figure that he's breaking even on the terror thing, more likely than not.
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post #53 of 54
5/20/03 at 1:07pm
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Englebert:
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Beer Die:
The left will say that Bush accomplished nothing in trying to stop the attacks through the "war campaign on terror"...
Give the guy some credit. With all the collatoral damage accumulating around the rubble of Afghanistan and Iraq, the terrorist groups have probably been receiving a rush of new recruits at a rate not seen since Israeli troops rolled into Lebanon. Now that Dubya and crew have wiped out the "imminent threat" posed by Iraq, we're probably less safe from international terror than we have ever been since the Twin Towers fell.

So, really, you have to figure that he's breaking even on the terror thing, more likely than not.
I think this is what I was trying to say, but you said it much better than me. Basically, if there is another attack, each side will blame the other for differing reasons. Bush will get blame for "stirring up the hornets nest", and Democrats will get blamed because they didn't do enough to fight terror. Stuff like that.
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post #54 of 54
5/20/03 at 2:33pm
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Dan Whitehead:
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Papa Trouter:
Question:
Why would any private oil company start pumping in a lot more oil, when they are already making near-record profits ?

Simple economics, you don't increce the supply if there is still money to be made.
Even simpler economics: more often than not, it's just as important to stop other people having a resource as it is to make use the resource yourself.

The US has plenty of oil supplies that are more convenient and more plentiful than Iraq. Logically speaking, there's no need to possess the Iraqi oil fields. But since when has modern capitalism been about "need"?

It's better (from their perspective) for a US oil firm to control Iraqi oil even if they never use it, than to have someone else own it.
I think it is also political. Now this would not be an issue for years, but say we have another oil shortage. Maybe one of our suppliers become unstable. If energy prices soar, the Republicans will suffer. They will be blamed because it is there party that has at least less of a focus on alternative energy sources. With Iraq, they guarantee supply for years to come.
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