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At long last, it's a crime to be a Democrat in Texas.

post #1 of 31
5/13/03 at 1:10pm
Thread Starter 
Well, not really. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/13/texas.legislature/index.html" target="_blank">Read</a> and discuss.
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post #2 of 31
5/13/03 at 1:27pm
Finally, the Democrats have found their place in Government. somewhere else .
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post #3 of 31
5/13/03 at 1:29pm
Thread Starter 
No, it's a shame they had to LEAVE THE STATE to be a proper Democrat.

Or at least to practice democracy.
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post #4 of 31
5/13/03 at 1:43pm
Bizarre. But I do think they should return to their jobs pronto. Unfair seat grab or not, it's your duty to report and vote. If you want to abstain from that, resign.
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post #5 of 31
5/13/03 at 2:15pm
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Nordling digs the Smithsplosion:
No, it's a shame they had to LEAVE THE STATE to be a proper Democrat.
Or at least to practice democracy.
If by "practice," you mean "ensure nothing takes place," then yes. This is nothing more than the Dems taking their ball, or actually, everyone eles' ball, and going home.

This is a growing trend in politics today; parties that have suddenly found themselves out of power are looking to procedure, whether legal or not, to stop rightfully elected representatives from doing their jobs. Look at the judicial nominations ties up in the Senate.
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post #6 of 31
5/13/03 at 3:08pm
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Texas has been fighting the redistricting battle for years. And now that for the first time since Reconstruction the GOP have the majority in the State House Tom DeLay has pushed Congressional redistricting through the House more fervently than he ever did when the Dems were in control.

There is bitterness on both sides in this matter, to be sure, but this is nothing but a ploy by DeLay to shore up his district lines. He won by a majority in his last election, but he's been getting some flak for the way he's treating the city of Houston re: the rail and mass transit issue.

This is a power grab, make no mistake about it.
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post #7 of 31
5/13/03 at 3:22pm
You know what's funny? My last name is DeLay.

Yep. I'm related to the guy. Not like uncle, but still related. He showed up to a family reunion years ago as my parents tell me.
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post #8 of 31
5/13/03 at 3:24pm
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Seahawk, well, I don't know what to tell you, man. I'm no DeLay fan.

He used to be an exterminator, did you know that? He couldn't even kill a bug properly, so he ran for Congress. Actually, he ran for Congress so he could get some environmental pesticide laws repealed because they were mucking with his business.

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post #9 of 31
5/13/03 at 3:48pm
Why is it that we can see the problem that arises from the dems leaving the house, yet no one apparently has a problem with politicians re-carving the state so as to use it to their political advantage?
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post #10 of 31
5/13/03 at 8:50pm
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mikah912:
Bizarre. But I do think they should return to their jobs pronto. Unfair seat grab or not, it's your duty to report and vote. If you want to abstain from that, resign.
Exactly.
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post #11 of 31
5/13/03 at 9:00pm
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Guttenberg Fan Club:
Why is it that we can see the problem that arises from the dems leaving the house, yet no one apparently has a problem with politicians re-carving the state so as to use it to their political advantage?
See that problem, but this does nothing to solve that and only creates ANOTHER problem. Sometimes, you just can't win battles because you're outnumbered. Re-organize and find another way to fight this battle.

It's a bad precedent.
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post #12 of 31
5/13/03 at 10:49pm
It's also very childish.

I picture little kids hiding out in their secret clubhouse when they're supposed to be taking a test or going to the dentist. They're going to have to surface sometime and the consequences will be worse when they do.

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post #13 of 31
5/13/03 at 11:11pm
Yeah, I can't imagine a party doing something like shutting down the Federal government...
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post #14 of 31
5/13/03 at 11:36pm
Please. Read between the lines, people. There are reasons stated, and reasons that are less obvious. The republicans have taken the opportunity of majority to attempt to push through all manner of inane legislation. "Defense of Marriage" springs to mind. Legislation defnding that which is already illegal. In other words, the dems are calling attention to a "shock and awe" attempt at sweeping legislative agendas. Good for them for finding a legal way to tell the republicans "fuck you".
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post #15 of 31
5/13/03 at 11:45pm
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Paddy Whiskey:
Please. Read between the lines, people. There are reasons stated, and reasons that are less obvious. The republicans have taken the opportunity of majority...
Yet WHEN it's the other way 'round it's what? Reasonable?

Give me a break...care for more whine?
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post #16 of 31
5/14/03 at 12:44am
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mikah912:
See that problem, but this does nothing to solve that and only creates ANOTHER problem. Sometimes, you just can't win battles because you're outnumbered. Re-organize and find another way to fight this battle.

It's a bad precedent.
Setting precedent is the real reason why they shouldn't be doing this. Some day, they'll be back in power and the GOP will do this. Then they can whine all they want, but it will do just as much good as the Republican whining has.
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post #17 of 31
5/14/03 at 12:48am
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League of Extraordinary Kronos':
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Paddy Whiskey:
Please. Read between the lines, people. There are reasons stated, and reasons that are less obvious. The republicans have taken the opportunity of majority...
Yet WHEN it's the other way 'round it's what? Reasonable?

Give me a break...care for more whine?
Huh? Not whining. Just a fact. Or maybe you would enjoy living in a state where public funding of things like ... I don't know, say medical care for poor children and school art programs are cut while the corporate tax burdens are eased because, well ... why is that?
Or maybe you favor wasting legislative time on bills for PR bs like defense of marriage while the largest budget shortfall in TX history is left to stand in the corner like a wallflower?
It is only paritsan becaus it has to be.
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post #18 of 31
5/14/03 at 10:07am
Thread Starter 
The way DeLay wants the Congressional districts redrawn, Katy outside Houston would be connected to Austin in a Congressional district (more than 130 miles apart) and Beaumont and North Houston would be connected in a district (also more than 100 miles away from each other).

DeLay's redistricting looks like a pre-K kid drew the maps. And several neighborhoods that have been together since their inception would be separated politically so as to break up the ethnic groups.

Also, the Texas Supreme Court in 2001 said that these lines were constitutionally right and did not have to be redrawn.

The Orkin Man wants power, that's all this is.
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post #19 of 31
5/14/03 at 11:03am
So DeLay is gerrymandering the districts, just like everybody else in the country? That's reason enough to run away to Oklahoma. After all, it only happens in Texas.
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post #20 of 31
5/14/03 at 11:11am
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Actually, you'd be surprised. Hearing some of the local Dems talk, it's reinvigorated them. It's about time, they needed to stop rolling over in this state. Also many of the major state newspapers have written editorials supporting the absent Dems.

Besides, if the state Supreme Court (pretty conservative) says the lines are good, I think that should be that.
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post #21 of 31
5/14/03 at 1:46pm
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Paddy Whiskey:
The republicans have taken the opportunity of majority to attempt to push through all manner of inane legislation.
The Republicans have taken the opportunity of being elected to vote for the things they stand for. The fact that they are in the majority is the voter's fault. If the people had wanted the Democrats in control, they wouldhave voted for them.

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Good for them for finding a legal way to tell the republicans "fuck you".
Actually, in Texas, what they did was quite illegal.
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post #22 of 31
5/14/03 at 2:17pm
Thread Starter 
It's illegal, except for the fact that they can receive no criminal or civil penalties. All law enforcement can do is drag them to the House.

And if they can't get a hold of them, they can't. No jurisdiction outside of Texas.
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post #23 of 31
5/14/03 at 3:34pm
So all the Republicans here were outraged when their party shut down the Federal govt, right?
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post #24 of 31
5/14/03 at 3:55pm
Uh, yeah.
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post #25 of 31
5/14/03 at 4:07pm
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Devin is the Faux Elite:
So all the Republicans here were outraged when their party shut down the Federal govt, right?
I was, for one.

You are elected, to do a job. Do your job.
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post #26 of 31
5/14/03 at 7:13pm
Oh yeah! I remember that!
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post #27 of 31
5/14/03 at 7:39pm
I'd hate to curse in a serious political discussion, but this really just pisses me off.

Fucking pussies. Yes, gerrymandering is a really dirty trick, and the Texas Republicans sound like they're pulling another North Carolina District 12. I agree with them there, but to render the state government partially impotent for your own selfish needs is childish. Grow some sack and take it to the Supreme Court.

Addendum for the benefit of Mr. Kronos:

The Democrats are fucking pussies for not standing up to the Republicans when they do have the upper hand legally.
The Republicans are douchebags for pulling that gerrymandering crap.

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post #28 of 31
5/14/03 at 7:43pm
Are you refering to the Republicans as pussies or the Democrats? Your post seems unfocused on this point.
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post #29 of 31
5/14/03 at 9:36pm
I think this is a situation where we shouldn't say, "Fucking Republicans" or ,"Fucking Democrates". Both sides are not acting right. What do I say? Fucking politicians.
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post #30 of 31
5/14/03 at 11:45pm
You daaayamn skippy! It's playground politics at it's best.
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post #31 of 31
5/15/03 at 3:11am
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Cheese Biscuits:
I think this is a situation where we shouldn't say, "Fucking Republicans" or ,"Fucking Democrates". Both sides are not acting right. What do I say? Fucking politicians.
Exactly idiots the lot of them!
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