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post #1 of 25
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This story from the BBC website.

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/3028585.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/3028585.stm</a>

For a brief summary it states that the whole Private Lynch rescue as staged. Hence the memory loss thing.

Below is an excerpt

Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been slapped about on her hospital bed and interrogated.

But Iraqi doctors in Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for the soldier in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital and one of only two nurses on the floor.

"I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her.

"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

It goes on to say,

Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.


Dr Uday was surprised by the manner of the rescue
"We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital.

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

What do people think? I mean the American military wouldn't seek to stage something liek this to sway public opinion, would they?

Or would they?
post #2 of 25
How chilling is this?

'The Pentagon had been influenced by Hollywood producers of reality TV and action movies, notably the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer.'

What next?

Bruckheimer making policy decisions?
post #3 of 25
I was wondering about this the moment the media started crowing about the "heroic Iraqi lawyer", whatever his name is, who "saved the day by ratting to the good guys". From the tone of the media reports, you couldn't help think this guy would be dead meat the moment word got out back where he was.

Ultimately, though, it's not as much a surprise or a shock as it should be if this is true. They've been wagging the dog like crazy since the "decapitation strikes" began, and I don't see it being set down for a rest any time soon.
post #4 of 25
I also thought this might be the case. THey rescue a pretty little white girl, come on. It smacked of phoney.

post #5 of 25
Unbelievable...
post #6 of 25
<a href="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/lynch.htm" target="_blank">More on this subject (lengthy).</a>
post #7 of 25
No Moon landing either I suppose.
post #8 of 25
Yes, Kronos, it is insane to even begin to question the validity of what we are told by our government. And the very concept of a conspiracy - that people would work together in secret to further a goal - is ludicrous.

All of these crazy theories - JFK assassination theories, Watergate, fake moon landing, Iran-Contra, UFO abductions and CoIntelPro - deserve to be flushed in the toilet of history.
post #9 of 25
It is nearly impossible to say that our military/intelligence agencies do not engage in these types of performances. The proof is far too obvious and easily found. How many dodges and misdirections have the CIA alone been responsible for?
post #10 of 25
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Devin is the Faux Elite:
Yes, Kronos, it is insane to even begin to question the validity of what we are told by our government. And the very concept of a conspiracy - that people would work together in secret to further a goal - is ludicrous.

All of these crazy theories - JFK assassination theories, Watergate, fake moon landing, Iran-Contra, UFO abductions and CoIntelPro - deserve to be flushed in the toilet of history.
But to constantly question everything one sees simply due to the hatred one feels toward the Administration is coming very close to insane.

JFK = obviously a conspiracy/coverup
Watergate = Exposed
Moon Landing = Happened just as we've always known
UFO Abductions = I have no idea
CoIntelPro = Yeah, the 60's was an interesting time to say the least
Private Lynch = Please, what is to be gained from developing a vast conspiracy surrounding this?

Media circus? Oh yes, very much so. Conspiracy? To what end?
post #11 of 25
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billz3bub, Pity Sex King:
It is nearly impossible to say that our military/intelligence agencies do not engage in these types of performances. The proof is far too obvious and easily found. How many dodges and misdirections have the CIA alone been responsible for?
But in this case I simply see no logical purpose it serves.
post #12 of 25
I included some of those as a counterpoint to show that conspiracies exist. What purpose does this have? How about manufacture of a hero? Every war needs one.
post #13 of 25
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Starring Kronos as Himself:
Quote:
billz3bub, Pity Sex King:
It is nearly impossible to say that our military/intelligence agencies do not engage in these types of performances. The proof is far too obvious and easily found. How many dodges and misdirections have the CIA alone been responsible for?
But in this case I simply see no logical purpose it serves.
Saving Jessica Lynch certainly served a logical PR purpose.

The question is: was that purpose identified before the event.

I guess we'll never know.
post #14 of 25
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Devin is the Faux Elite:
I included some of those as a counterpoint to show that conspiracies exist. What purpose does this have? How about manufacture of a hero? Every war needs one.
And in many cases you're right. They're there, they're viable, and sometimes true.

Manufacturing a hero? In this case I simply don't see it...at least prior. Afterward? Well, the media gloms onto things you know.
post #15 of 25
In this war the media glommed onto what it was fed, and in this case it was fed a fake bill of goods about Lynch, if what the top story says is true. The other story seems wacky, but a story claiming that the US government lied about the circumstances of her rescue? Almost ridiculous to deny that. The question is to what extent.
post #16 of 25
To what extent indeed. Hey, you'll get no argument from me on the government/media complex and their lies.

I guess I've identified the source of my disagreement with this theory: I don't care too much about the whole Lynch story(which might make me a cold bastard, but let me deal with that) so I can't get into the headspace that has to manufacture either the story or the conspiracy theory.
post #17 of 25
Oh, and I'm extremely reluctant to assign the epithet Hero onto just anybody who survives a beating of any severity.

But I'm somewhat rigid as far as definitions go.
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post #19 of 25
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Starring Kronos as Himself
Oh, and I'm extremely reluctant to assign the epithet Hero onto just anybody who survives a beating of any severity.
Yeah, I recall talk about awarding her the Medal of Honor or some such.

Which, all due respect to Pvt. Lynch, would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to those who actually earned their medals. Happy for her and her family, but all she did was take a beating. Nothing "heroic" there.
post #20 of 25
Interesting attempt at discreditation. But frankly neither this nor the original BBC story seem completely kosher to me. I think there's some degree of manufacture at the heart of the Jessica Lynch story, but the degree of which is impossible to know.
post #21 of 25
Another UK article (which was quoted in yesterday's AJC) intimated that an Iraqi doctor was taking Lynch to the U.S. encampments in an ambulance... but when the vehicle approached the checkpoint they were shot at (and this is how the article claims Lynch received her bullet wounds) and they retreated, which resulted in an actual rescue attempt having to be performed.

True or not, I love this cloak & dagger stuff.
post #22 of 25
Before electronic satellite journalism you had film and to a greater extent the reporters from Stars & Stripes to bring stories of heroism and triumph on the battlefield. If anybody thinks these things were never embellished they're fooling themselves.

However: Except for outright lies there is nothing necessarily wrong with wartime reporting of this sort.

Inflating a story needlessly though is probably more destructive to the individual being uplifted than anything else.
post #23 of 25
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/19/cnna.kampener.lynch/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/19/cnna.kampener.lynch/index.html</a>

Not much evidence for this story at all. Seems like the BBC was mainly interested in embarrassing the Pentagon. Some scoop.
post #24 of 25
Just seems like a clarification to me, and doesn't lessen the overall strangeness of the "rescue" mission. And why has everyone involved, including her current medical attendees, been told not to talk to the press?

Also: is it standard operating procedure to take camera crews along on dangerous Special Forces operations?

I think there are many valid questions here that need answering.
post #25 of 25
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What do people make of this?
Well, I can make a hat, or a broach, or a pterydactyl, caw, caw, caw...

Sorry, I cannot pass up an opportunity to quote AIRPLANE!
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