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post #51 of 59
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Jacob Singer:
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Grifter:
If a company had to pay x to do something the right way, and was only forced to pay y (y being considerably smaller than x, mind you) to do something the wrong way, then it MAKES SENSE to do it the wrong way.
It only MAKES SENSE if the company has NO ETHICS.

You're almost Devin-like in your cynicism towards businesses being ethical, but you think that the government is made up of much more responsible and noble people, even though they come from the same backgrounds and have the same connections? Please.
I'm about to become Devin like in my name calling ability if you do not get your head out of your ass Jacob!

Look. Forget Ethics!!!

Company A and company B are the exact same company, doing the exact same thing, with the exact same financial situation. Company A plays "by the rules" and pays (an imaginary number!!!) 250 million/year for something. Company B can do the same thing for $25/year.

Ethics DO NOT MATTER if your company has to close it's doors. Everyone here wants to blame the company. I do NOT assume they are evil empires, out to screw the little guy. I assume they are about the bottom line, as any company should be. If it is compareable to do the right thing, then do it. That's what should be done. The problem, AGAIN, is that this is not the case. It is cheaper, for many EPA things, to pay the fine. THAT is why companies do the things they do. If you could put some teeth in it, and make it NO LONGER PROFITABLE for a company to break the rules, then they would not. Ethics aside. If you are talking billions of dollars/year. A warm, fuzzy, ethical company is soon to be a cold, closed company. All I'm saying is level the playing field, and make it worth it to do the right thing.
post #52 of 59
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Grifter:
[QBAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Where do you even come up with this shit???????????????????? God, my head is splitting!!!!

Who ever said anything about fining a company their gross profits? WTF????

LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE!!!!

I did not throw out $25 million AS THE FIGURE IT SHOULD BE!!!! I simply put it out as a comparison!!!!!

Please, please, please NOTE If a company had to pay x to do something the right way, and was only forced to pay y (y being considerably smaller than x, mind you) to do something the wrong way, then it MAKES SENSE to do it the wrong way.

If the fine were raised to x, and you would have to pay that amount anyway, then it would make sense to do it the right way!
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No, it doesn't. The "right" way is not just the morally right way, but it's also the more responsibly (to the public) right way and ultimately, the fiscally right way in the long run.

Enron went the wrong way that "made sense" (Well, to people like you and them who don't care about anyone except themselves) at the time. But in the long run, it was fiscally irresponsible, they got caught, and now they, their employees, and the American economy are all paying a heavy price because of that scandal.

Likewise, Halliburton's duplicity made them money in the short run, but it helped sustain a chain of events that lead to us spending countless billions in a war and exponentially more money to sustain Iraq, which impacts the economy, which in turn impacts their stock. So while the immediate Iraq contracts will be lucrative, the aftermath will be much more damaging to the economy in which Halliburton resides.

Seems like you have a really short-sighted view of economics.

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I NEVER SAID THIS WAS RIGHT, OR MORAL, OR THE WAY I WOULD RUN IT!!!!!!! I SAID THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT IS!!!!!! WHY IS THAT SO HARD?
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I repeat, you COMMENDED Halliburton. Surely you remember that? Breathe deep, lad. Ease off the Caps Lock and tap those memory banks of yours.

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As for the second argument, I'm not even addressing it any more. To you, the government is full of evil liars. To me, it's a necessary evil. Tired of beating the dead horse for an argument that neither of us will yeild on.
Actually, that's not what either of us said. I said the justifications for Iraq were lies and they should be held accountable for THOSE lies. You kept rambling about government deception being necessary for national security or something. Despite me engaging you on that point and asking for what this war had to do with national security despite the country being on the verge of helplessness, you continue to ignore me there and continue to ignore my points about the OTHER, non-WMD lies. We're not even discussing the same points, so why would either of us yield?

It's okay. Take a few deep breaths and then think about it.
post #53 of 59
Fine, everyone should be responsible for their own actions. Everyone should do the right thing, all the time. Every business should be out to help society and better the world in which we live. No one should lie to anyone, ever.

I agree with every single statement. 100% agree.

I would actually love a world, in which that were the case. Hell, that's the kind of world I want for my kid to grow up in.

It simply does not work like that.

That is the sad truth. So, you play with the hand that is dealt you.

In the meantime, I'll go back to reality, where some of us live, and do what has to be done.

Out.
post #54 of 59
This isn't the Rome board.
post #55 of 59
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Grifter:
Fine, everyone should be responsible for their own actions. Everyone should do the right thing, all the time. Every business should be out to help society and better the world in which we live. No one should lie to anyone, ever.

I agree with every single statement. 100% agree.
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Absolutely untrue. Hence, the problem.

We ALL acknowledge the world doesn't work this way. Only YOU applaud an agent in engineering (in this case, Halliburton) that it doesn't, and because you build everything you say on this fundamentally false premise you claim to go by, that's why people are either enraged or amused by you.

Stop applauding the scumbags, and we'd have some common ground. I don't think you will, tho, so...keep me smiling.
post #56 of 59
Grifter, get over yourself. No one here is contemplating that we all should live in Happy Happy Fantasy Land, and you alone are the poor sole arbiter of Harsh Factual Reality. You want companies to get away with murder until the government, who the companies are in bed with, fix everything with even more laws and guidelines and "level the playing field".

Seems to me you're the one living in Fantasy Land.
post #57 of 59
And if we're indulging fantasies here, I wish I lived in a society where people like Micah were our elected leaders.
post #58 of 59
How about this. I applaud them being able to do what many companies are not able to do. Turn a tidy profit. That does not mean I applaud the methods used to make that profit. Only the fact they were able to do so.

Fair enough?
post #59 of 59
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Grifter:
How about this. I applaud them being able to do what many companies are not able to do. Turn a tidy profit. That does not mean I applaud the methods used to make that profit. Only the fact they were able to do so.

Fair enough?
Your applause implies approval of the method. There's nothing admirable about making out like bandits by being bandits.
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