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post #1 of 16
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I've done alot of reading and studying about this, but I've always wondered if it's just a bad memory, or if people still honestly believe in the Biblical origin of black people.

In case it's a mystery to anyone, here's a brief definition.

The Hamitic Hypothesis derives principally from Genesis 9:18-27. These verses recount the story of Ham, the son of Noah, who, upon discovering his father naked and in a drunken stupor, "exposed" him to his brothers, Shem and Japheth. [Some commentators conjecture that the sin committed by Ham involved much more than "exposure;" specifically, bestiality and sodomy.] Canaan, Ham’s son, was also apparently involved. When Noah awoke, he "knew" what Ham had done and pronounced a curse in retribution; interestingly, only Canaan is directly mentioned: "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants he shall be to his brothers." (Gen. 9:25)
According to the hypothesis, Ham and Canaan were "marked" in the pigmentation of their skin (i.e., they were made black) and thereby became the fathers of the "Negro" or "black race" - and the curse [i.e., "a servant of servants he (Canaan) shall be"] accounts for why the "black race" has suffered to such an extent at the hands of whites and Arab slave traders.


I'll hold back from saying exactly what I think about it (as a black man), but it goes hand in hand with how I feel about organised religion in general.

But I'm curious...does anyone still believe in this explanation, and ascribe to it/depend on it during their everyday relations with black people?
post #2 of 16
Well think about this:

We all suffer due to the sin of Adam.

Though let me say I am not sure about the hypothesis at all really. I would need to study it more then the quote above.

And I don't think Noah's cure to Ham caused him to be black and thus being black is to be a descendant of a curse. That part I certainly don't believe in.

All I am sure about is that the failure of one man caused the rest of the human race to face all they have faced across time.

post #3 of 16
No one I know of.
post #4 of 16
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CTDeLude:
All I am sure about is that the failure of one man caused the rest of the human race to face all they have faced across time.
That kinda sucks, doesn't it?

I'm not familiar with the passages Crash describes above, but I bet the Ku Klux Klan has a field day with that sort of stuff...
post #5 of 16
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Jacob Singer:

I'm not familiar with the passages Crash describes above, but I bet the Ku Klux Klan has a field day with that sort of stuff...
It's all old suppositions i.e. someone (middle ages?) trying to explain racial differences through the Bible. No mention is made in the Noah story of his three sons being different races, or being transformed into different races.

post #6 of 16
And yes it does suck.

But I am nor anyone else not condemned by it because of the sacrafice of Christ and the choice to accept Him.

Like the old addage goes life isn't always fair like we want it to be.

And yea I kinda resent the fact I am paying for one man's choice but if someone stabs me on the street I would pay for that too. Resent it as well.
post #7 of 16
God's such a dick.
post #8 of 16
Never heard of this "hypothesis", and it's one of the stupidest things I think I've ever seen.

I don't think God is the dick here...it's the individual who came up with that drek.
post #9 of 16
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Alvy Singer:
God's such a dick.
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion.
post #10 of 16
"We all suffer due to the sin of Adam."

Out of idle curiosity, what makes you think any person would do better?
post #11 of 16
I'd always heard that black skin was the mark of Cain, though this fits into that same mode of thought. Not only does it serve as a myth to explain the different races (like the tower of babel is supposed to explain the development of all the different languages in the world), but it also serves to bolster the superiority of white over non-white races.

I don't know anybody who truly believes that to be true, but since I live in the Bible Belt and come from a long line of country folk, I bet if I asked around at my next family get-together I could get someone to say that either Cain or Ham is the father of the black race.

I COULD do that, but I don't wanna. Too depressing.
post #12 of 16
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Adam Warren:
"We all suffer due to the sin of Adam."

Out of idle curiosity, what makes you think any person would do better?
I don't. But no one else is the father of humanity. Thus the great responsiblity lay on him. If he had killed himself....no humanity after Eve passed on.

I suppose that kind of pressure could bring its own problems too.
post #13 of 16
DeLude, do you actually believe in the story of Adam as fact, or just as parable?
post #14 of 16
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Guttenberg Fan Club:
DeLude, do you actually believe in the story of Adam as fact, or just as parable?
I thought we already went over the fact I am delusional as per the Biblical Literalist thread?
post #15 of 16
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CTDeLude:
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Guttenberg Fan Club:
DeLude, do you actually believe in the story of Adam as fact, or just as parable?
I thought we already went over the fact I am delusional as per the Biblical Literalist thread?
Sorry. I wasn't trying to bash or anything. Just curious. I don't remember the specifics in the literalist thread. I'll check it out again.
post #16 of 16
Didn't take it as a bash. That was kinda for me, a joke you could say. Lately I realized that I need a sense of humor about all this. If we get down to it we all think each other has some crazy ideas no matter it basis. I just don't want to get unnecceasirly riled up anymore.
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