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From <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/10/140545.shtml" target="_blank">Newsmax</a> via UPI:

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Saturday, May 11, 2002
WASHINGTON – Christendom is growing robustly, according to historian Philip Jenkins, who says the quintessential Christian of the future will not be a white male surbanite but a poor brown-skinned woman from a huge city in the Third World.
"By the year 2050, 3 billion Christians will inhabit the globe, but of those only one in six will be a non-Hispanic Caucasian," Jenkins told United Press International in a telephone interview Thursday. As Europeans have slowed in their birth rate, Jenkins explained, "Christianity will become much more of a black and brown religion."

Islam Hasn't Overpowered Christianity Yet

Jenkins, a Welshman who teaches at Pennsylvania State University, vigorously challenged the common assumption that Christianity is dying, especially in the Third World, where Islam is the rising religion.

"According to my own demographic projections, there will still be three Christians for every two Muslims in 40 to 50 years' time, and in the foreseeable future."

Jenkins, a professor at Penn State's University Park campus, has just published his findings in a remarkable study titled "Next Christendom: The Coming of Globalized Christianity" (New York: Oxford University Press, 2002, 288 pages, $28).

It contains stunning statistics:

More baptisms are being recorded every year in Democratic Republic of the Congo than in France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
There are more Catholics in the Philippines than in any of these four traditionally Catholic European nations.

There are more Presbyterians in South Korea and more members of the Assemblies of God in Brazil than in the United States.

At least 1,500 Christian foreign missionaries are at work in Britain. Most hail from Africa and Asia.
This last figure points at one of the most amazing reversals in recent history: The descendants of those who were evangelized by Europeans are now bringing the Europeans back to the faith of their ancestors, not just in England but in other parts of the Old World as well.

Black Missionaries Try to Convert Whites

"In London, where by now half of all churchgoers are of African descent, black churches are doing mission among whites, using missionary impulses of years gone by. They are trying to enculturate Christianity to make it acceptable to white people," Jenkins explained.

"Ironically, whites in the United Kingdom are seeing Christianity as a 'black thing,' while groups such as the huge Kingsway International Christian Centre of Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo want it to be seen as a 'God thing.'"

Jenkins said ministers from the Southern Hemisphere working among Europeans and North Americans were theological conservatives, regardless of their denomination.

"This applies to Anglican missionaries from Africa operating in Europe just as much as to Roman Catholics. If the Roman Catholic Church seems so conservative, this does not so much reflect individual foibles of John Paul II but a much greater sense of global realities."

One example of how the Southern Cone's conservative Christians are making their weight felt in the North is the creation of the Anglican Mission in America, whose bishops were consecrated by an African and an Asian archbishop.

White Mainstream Churches Too Leftist

The AMiA presents itself as an alternative to the Episcopal Church, whose liberal drift has disaffected many traditional worshipers.

Jenkins told UPI he rejected the suggestion that Third World Christianity had undue syncretistic leanings, meaning that it was vulnerable to the temptation of mixing religions, an anathema to Catholics and traditional Protestants.

Harvard University theologian Harvey Cox has promoted this theory, suggesting that healing services in one large congregation in Seoul seemed to reveal links to ancient Asian forms of shamanism.

But Jenkins countered that healing as part of worship services had solid roots in the New Testament. "Whatever appears as syncretism is more biblically grounded than it is given credit for," Jenkins said.

"You might also call European Christianity highly syncretistic, just a millennium older. If you enter a Gothic church, you enter a holy place based on the idea of an ancient European oak wood."

While radiating north, the growing churches of Africa, Latin America and Asia are increasingly networking with each other. At the same time, Jenkins stressed the phenomenon, and potential danger, of parallels between Muslim and Christian communities.

"In 2050, 20 of the 25 most populous states [nations] will be either mainly Christian or mainly Muslim. Or they will be one of the above with sizable minorities of the other," he said. "And frequently the Christian and Muslim communities experiencing the fastest growth will be neighbors."

Wryly, Jenkins observed, "Due to God's sense of humor, these places are in areas rich with oil."

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.
As the West (Europe and North America) grows less and less attached to Christianity, will the new third world Christians face discrimination for their religous beliefs? Only time will tell.
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Burke:
the quintessential Christian of the future will not be a white male surbanite but a poor brown-skinned woman from a huge city in the Third World.
Heh - the pope can't be happy about THAT.
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Because poor, brown-skinned women do NOT hold the power in this world, whereas white suburbanite males DO.

And given the general exclusion from the Catholic power structure of women (along w/minorities), it just ain't a good turn for that particular branch of Christianity.
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sidey22:
I'll give ya a little hint.. from this Catholic's point of view... my faith has more to do with God than Rome.

Why is it that we as people try to change faith into politics?
No offense to your personal beliefs, but the Catholic Church IS a political entity, and the religious right heavily influences Republican policy.

EVERYTHING is politics.
post #5 of 11
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The Catholic Church isn't usually thought of as part of the Religious Right here in the US. The Religious Right is normally thought of as Evangelical Christians, not Catholics.
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Chavez
EVERYTHING is politics.
Actually, Politics is war by different means.

...carry on...
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Burke:
The Catholic Church isn't usually thought of as part of the Religious Right here in the US. The Religious Right is normally thought of as Evangelical Christians, not Catholics.
Fine; let me re-iterate and edit:

- the Catholic Church is a political entity (do you think an organization that was politically non-savvy could have wrangled scores of its members out of sexual assault charges?)

- the religious right has a large influence on Republican policy (Pat Robertson as a legit presidential candidate, anyone?)

I realize that the debates about whether or not man can be without original sin, whether the trinity is one entity or three, or if the eucharist DOES become Christ's body and blood are tremendous to you, but to the many, it's 'eh'); and Christian religions all share the same central tenet: that salvation can only be attained through the acceptance of Jesus, the son of God.

So pardon me if in my ignorance/haste I gave the impression that ALL Christian religions can be lumped together for a blanket statement on Christianity, because, that would be almost as foolish as considering all Muslims to be one, big, indifferentiated mass.
post #8 of 11
Actually, the pope wants more white guys caus they have more MONEY - and the Church LOVES the moolah.
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[quote]Chavez
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- the religious right has a large influence on Republican policy (Pat Robertson as a legit presidential candidate, anyone?)

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As legitimate as Lyndon Larouch ever was...so not that legit.
post #10 of 11
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Chavez,

I sense hostility. I was simply pointing out that "Catholics" tend to be Democrats or at best, swing voters. I dare say very few Catholics would have voted for Pat Robertson, or even Pat Buchanan. Perhaps you've heard of the Kennedys, those wildly right-wing pro-life anti-gay Catholics.

Note: heavy on the generalizations, no time to look up stats.
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Burke:
Chavez,

I sense hostility. I was simply pointing out that "Catholics" tend to be Democrats or at best, swing voters
Sorry, I must have had my "sarcasto-meter" redlining; I understand Catholics and Evangelical Christians differ, just not enough for me to really get into parsing them. JMO.
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