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Bioethicist (Peter Singer) argues Christianity hurts animals

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<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020704-68157493.htm" target="_blank">From here:</a>

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Princeton bioethicist argues Christianity hurts animals
By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Princeton bioethicist and animal rights advocate Peter Singer says Christianity is harmful to animals.
Mr. Singer, who condones the killing of severely deformed newborns, made those views known at an animal rights conference Saturday at the Hilton Hotel in McLean — and he reiterated them yesterday in a telephone interview with The Washington Times.
"One of the things that causes a problem for the animal movement is the strong strain of fundamentalist Christianity that makes a huge gulf between humans and animals, saying humans have souls but animals do not," Mr. Singer, professor of bioethics at Princeton since 1999, said in a telephone interview from his home near the university.
The Australian-born scholar said "that kind of attitude is a problem in getting people to think of animals as objects of moral value."
Mr. Singer, a vegetarian who believes animals have the same rights as humans, has been described by the Los Angeles Times and others as the "godfather" of the animal rights movement.
He challenges the position that all human life is sacred, and says it is morally acceptable to euthanize severely disabled infants. Mr. Singer's views have sparked such vehement opposition that Princeton has given him a scanner to check his mail for bombs.
At Saturday's animal rights conference, Mr. Singer said fundamentalist Christians in this country take the Bible too "literally" and promote "speciesism." He defined speciesism as a belief by humans that they are "superior to any other being," reported Cybercast News Service (www.cnsnews.com), which covered the event.
"I am an atheist. I know that is an ugly word in America," Mr. Singer told an audience of 1,000.
He said the Judeo-Christian ethic also teaches that humans are made in the image of God and that God has given mankind "dominion" over animals. Coupled with the belief that only humans have souls, and animals do not, this belief has a "very negative influence on the way in which we think about animals," Mr. Singer was quoted as saying in the CNS report.
Neither the National Council of Churches nor the National Association of Evangelicals could be reached for comment yesterday. A spokeswoman for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association in Minneapolis declined to comment.
But Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and a Princeton alumnus, had plenty to say.
"I've read Peter Singer's books, and I've suspended my donations to Princeton since he was hired there," Mr. Land said in a telephone interview yesterday from his office in Nashville, Tenn.
Mr. Singer's "basic assessment that orthodox and fundamentalist Christianity has been a problem for the animal rights movement is correct," Mr. Land said. "As orthodox Christians, we've been almost as much of a problem for animal rights as Peter Singer [has] been for human rights."
Mr. Land denounced the claim Mr. Singer made in his book "Practical Ethics," that parents of a severely disabled baby should be able to kill the child if they think it is better that the boy or girl not live. Mr. Singer wrote that parents should have 28 days to make that decision. But he said Saturday he now believes they should decide "as soon as possible after birth," CNS reported.
Mr. Land said yesterday that Mr. Singer, by taking that position, "denies the sanctity of human life" and "denies that a firebreak exists between human life and all other life."
The Southern Baptist official said, "Human beings are special and unique. We plead absolutely guilty to believing in speciesism. We believe humans are more valuable than animals and that [Mr. Singer] is barbaric for not believing it."
Mr. Land cited Genesis and other Old Testament scriptures that say God "created man in His own image" and that man has dominion over fish, birds and all other living things on earth.
"Human beings come first. We have an obligation to put humans above animals," he said.
But Mr. Land noted that God "made a covenant with every living thing." As a result, he said, "while we should reverence human life, we should respect all animals. We have no right to cause animals needless pain and suffering."
Mr. Land expressed dismay that there are laws to protect the unhatched eggs of turtles in Florida and spotted owls in the Northwest, while it remains legal to kill unborn human babies.
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I'm not sure Mr. Singer has the vaguest concept of what a soul is, especially since it seems he is clearly lacking one.

Ultimately this guy has no more influence on public opinion than any other fringe dweller, so he's really not worth getting upst over.

Not that I always agree with the Southern Baptist folks, but their spokesman was right about this one.

post #3 of 13
Four legs good, two legs bad, eh?
post #4 of 13
Hmmmm; actually, while leaning towards atheist myself, and being a proponent of "quality of life vs quantity of life", I think Singer is an insane goatfuck.

I do agree that Christianity's stance that God has given humans dominion over earth and everything on it leads to shameful conduct in the treatment of animals, but Singer's claims of "speciesism" are - I was going to say preposterous, but they are actually well-founded; but the point is that we ARE more important than other animals.

But the person who I most agree with in the article, really, is, Richard Land:

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Mr. Singer's "basic assessment that orthodox and fundamentalist Christianity has been a problem for the animal rights movement is correct," Mr. Land said. "As orthodox Christians, we've been almost as much of a problem for animal rights as Peter Singer [has] been for human rights."
Mr. Land said yesterday that Mr. Singer, by taking that position, "denies the sanctity of human life" and "denies that a firebreak exists between human life and all other life."
The Southern Baptist official said, "Human beings are special and unique. We plead absolutely guilty to believing in speciesism. We believe humans are more valuable than animals and that [Mr. Singer] is barbaric for not believing it."
Mr. Land cited Genesis and other Old Testament scriptures that say God "created man in His own image" and that man has dominion over fish, birds and all other living things on earth.
"Human beings come first. We have an obligation to put humans above animals," he said.
But Mr. Land noted that God "made a covenant with every living thing." As a result, he said, "while we should reverence human life, we should respect all animals. We have no right to cause animals needless pain and suffering."
What he is saying, as I see it, is that humans are superior to other animals, but in actuality that obligates us to be kind and treat animals in a moral fashion as fellow living beings.

My method of reaching a similar conclusion is not crouched in biblical study, but I think anyone with a whit of sense & empathy would agree.

The difference is between using animals as guinea pigs in cancer research vs cosmetics research: one is an evil necessity to better humans, the other is cruelty for the sake of the vanity of some people. HUGE gulf between the 2 examples, I think.
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There is a middle form of medical research that exists for the sake of pure research. Here at UC Davis they have done research on lab monkeys that would do a Nazi doctor proud. All to further knowledge of physical reaction to certain chemicals or stimuli. It's been appalling really.

None of it furthers medical science except in the field of psychiatric medicine...which we all know is barbaric in the extreme.
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There is a middle form of medical research that exists for the sake of pure research. Here at UC Davis they have done research on lab monkeys that would do a Nazi doctor proud. All to further knowledge of physical reaction to certain chemicals or stimuli. It's been appalling really.

None of it furthers medical science except in the field of psychiatric medicine...which we all know is barbaric in the extreme.
So you would agree with Land (and me, I suppose) that it is moral and ethically imperative to treat animals with kindness and respect whenever possible?
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I certainly do. I don't -in my personal affairs- abuse any animals in any way. In fact, while I was working as a Pet Groomer I was particularly liked by both customer and pet alike.

Research on animals just to see what happens is so damned wrong on so many levels.
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Except when that research "just to see what happens" leads to a useful product or medicine. Much of scientific research is conducted without any aim other than to see what happens. If we ignore research down particular pathways because we don't see anything useful at the end, we'll severely limit our ability to expand our knowledge and, more importantly, improve our living conditions.

I'm not condoning dipping chimps into vats of acid to see if they become criminal masterminds (that's where I firmly drawn the line! ). Scientists certainly shouldn't go out of their way to harm animals, but if a few lab rats have to die so Granny doesn't have to be tethered to an oxygen tank the last few years of her life, well that's certainly a reasonable exchange.
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Here's the catch: Granny is not going to be tethered to the bottle because her fucking "health care" won't cover it!
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Which has exactly nothing to do with the topic at hand.
post #11 of 13
"Yeah, but whaddya gonna do?"
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I'm not sure Mr. Singer has the vaguest concept of what a soul is...
So are you really sure that anyone does?
post #13 of 13
I do.
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