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Listening to the radio the other day I came to a revelation..

post #1 of 7
8/13/02 at 3:51pm
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I was on a ride home from Albany to Portland, about an hour and 15 min jaunt.. I usually listen to AM radio in the car lately.. and this guy is on talking about evolution and HOW bad this article is that is written about it

I didn't catch the name of the article, but they were trying rip it apart on many different points, BUT the thing that got me is this..

Why are so many Religious people trying to take on Science, and yet seem so bad at proving there own points they can only seem to try to disaprove points that counteract there own

he kept saying how evolution could never be, because you would have to accept the fact that something came out of nothing, which they can't prove ever happened

BUT WAIT.. is NOT religion the same thing? Who created GOD? but WAIT.. if he was ALWAYS there.. why could not LIFE of ALWAYS have been there

also he tried to say how evolution counteracts that we are moving from order to chaos.. which is a stupid point in my book

and also said how come "we never see a duck/moose" or something to that extent.. that we never have seen evoltion in the midst of change.. but we do.. look around.. EVERYTHING is changing

I was raised Catholic, but am no longer.. I'm not anti-religion.. if it can make you happy, go for it.. but its stange how all reasoning and thought is thrown out by just seeming to quote the bible to make things all good

if you can't believe in Evolution to any extent, look around.. tell me why a Black man looks so different from a Pacific Islander.. and still tell me there no evolution
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post #2 of 7
8/13/02 at 4:35pm
I think that this particular group of not-so-free thinkers return time and time again to blasting science and calling it anti-God because they can't let go of the past.

Any activity (science, medicine, astronomy, etc.) that a non-christian group of peoples has had an accomplshment in seems to be deemed EVIL by these groups.

Native Americans were considered Heathens and stupid people. But we now know they had a good grasp on ecology as well as herbology.

Wiccans have been considered in league with the devil, creating wicked potions made from Babies, Toad, & spiders to cast wicked spells on people. Again, people with knowledge of herbs, astrology, nature, etc.

I don't know, maybe these kinds of people are just scared to admit they could be wrong?
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post #3 of 7
8/13/02 at 4:43pm
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Ripley:
Wiccans have been considered in league with the devil, creating wicked potions made from Babies, Toad, & spiders to cast wicked spells on people.
What are you CRAZY! You can't combine babies, toads AND spiders! Maybe mix and match two at a time, but all three! Shit, you're liable to kill us all. Careless bastards!
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post #4 of 7
8/14/02 at 1:15am
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actually according to a study, 45% of them believe in a supreme being

that leaves 55% who don't

I would not call that "most"

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The odds against our existence occuring randomly are just too great.
about the same odds that a supreme being created us
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post #5 of 7
8/14/02 at 1:50pm
I read a study that said 92% of statistical studies are fake. wink
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post #6 of 7
8/14/02 at 2:26pm
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Jabbadonut V.1:
The odds against our existence occuring randomly are just too great.
Hope I'm not taking you too much out-of-context here, Jabba, but this idea has always intrigued me.

How can one measure the odds for something like this? Assuming that reality is infinite in both space and time and our only perception of reality is based on our limited human perspective, how can one really say anything about "odds?"

Given infinite time, space, and matter, don't you think pretty much anything is possible, supreme being or not?

The only reason we think our world and universe is set up so well is because it works for us. If it didn't work for us, we wouldn't exist, thus this argument would be impossible. The bounds of reality are unknown to us, thus I find it hard to dismiss the idea of randomness entirely, since obviously there's been infinite amounts of time and space for reality to allow for our existence.

Who knows? Maybe zillions of years ago, the conditions were ALMOST right for the earth and humanity to exist as they do today, but it took a crucial element that randomly flew into the mix later to get us where we are today.
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post #7 of 7
8/16/02 at 2:05am
Leaving dopey evolution = science arguments to other threads, allow me to address Dave's point.

Always intrigued me too. After all, somebody wins the lottery. Imagine that. Furthermore, the concept of randomness is strange. Can something be truly random? No.

I like to think of evolution, and that extent, the appearance of life on Earth, a little like water flowing down a hillside. If a water-bomber drops a million gallons of water over Salsbury hill, what happens?

It flows down, because gravity pulls down.

It follows the natural lines in the hillside.

It will split into many courses as it moves down hill.

The bomber is abiogenisis; gravity is evolution; the natural lines Earth, and the varying channels speciation. The exact course of both is both unpredictible and infinitely complex.
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