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If you believe in God then why can't Jews worship in a Christian church?

post #1 of 15
8/30/02 at 12:52am
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Seriously why can't people that believe in God worship in any of the houses of God? Why are Catholics excluded from Christians who are excluded from Mormons. It all comes down to believing in God minus one thing or another.

It just seems funny to me that even though these "religious" people share this belief in God, they can't associate in the same church.
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post #2 of 15
8/30/02 at 2:01am
When I was Catholic I had no problem visiting a Jewish Temple. Everyone seemed nice and didn't mind having me around. When I switched to Baptist I had no problems with the Catholic Church wanting to get rid of me. I don't have any problems with any religion now that I am Druid.

I don't think it's the people (in general) that are the problem; I think that maybe a few people and the Dogma drive a good thing in to the dirt. The same is true for just about everything though. Think about it - there is always an asshole and there is always a stupid rule.
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post #3 of 15
8/30/02 at 1:48pm
We can to some degree. The problem is, though on the surface at least, the various sects believe in the same creator God the Father there are huge doctrinal differences. With just the examples you list for example.

People of the jewish faith in the main really don't like the Christian view of Jesus as Messiah. Though there are Messianic Jews who believe in Yeshua ha Meshiach (Jesus the Messiah) but are still in essence Jewish. They are kind of the Jewish equivalent of Protestants.

The Catholic Church has a couple of thousand years of Tradition that they elevate to the same level of inerrancy as the Bible. Anyone who doesn't hold the same traditions (i.e. Protestants) as holy are not part of the fold. Though Catholics might agree that Protestants aren't necessarily damned, we can't participate in Communion in their Church. Though we are welcome to come.

Protestants believe (in the main) that we are saved by Faith alone and view the Catholic church and some other sects (or cults if you prefer such as Mormons, JW's, SDA's, etc) preaching a doctrine of salvation by works as being antithetical to that belief.

Mormons and the host of Christian sects that sprouted up in the 1800's are all very much works based faiths. They have all added a host of "traditions" to Christianity that put them outside the mainstream. Mormons believe that God had spirit children by a goddess mother and we are them. Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. We have the capacity to become Gods. SDA's beleive that we are to still hold to the 10 commandments strictly and that those who worship on Sunday are antiChrist. Christian Scientists believe that life is an illusion and sickness comes from sin. There are so many more examples of these types of things. Anyway all of these sects believe in essence that they are the one true church and if you aren't Mormon (or SDA or JW or etc) you aren't among the saved.

So these people can certainly all fellowship together but that can't really share a church just because it looks like they all worship the "same God" but they really don't. THe exception to that may be The Prot-Cath thing. I believe that there are saved Catholics and saved Prots and unsaved among both. And we (Christians) DO worship the Jehovah god of the Jews but to them our view of the Messiah makes us "apostate" I guess.
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post #4 of 15
8/30/02 at 5:24pm
Regarding the title of this thread...

Why would they want to??? I've gone to see "Spiderman" in a movie theater, but I won't go see "Master of Disguise" eve though they're both movies.
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post #5 of 15
8/30/02 at 11:16pm
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Burke:
Regarding the title of this thread...
What about the incomprehensibility bit?
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post #6 of 15
9/4/02 at 1:56pm
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capteucalyptus (Scott Roche):
Protestants believe (in the main) that we are saved by Faith alone and view the Catholic church and some other sects (or cults if you prefer such as Mormons, JW's, SDA's, etc) preaching a doctrine of salvation by works as being antithetical to that belief.
Uhm.... Cap, bro, the Seventh-Day Adventist is not a cult for the record. Walter Martin would have you beleive that, but remember this man did more harm than good.

Back to the subject... I think we all choose who we want to associate and whorship with. I have no problem going attending a Jewish service or a Catholic mass. I think they don't mind either as long as I don't interupt their ceremonies.

I just think its analagous to those of you that are art-house lovers and those of us that love action-popcorn flicks.
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post #7 of 15
9/4/02 at 2:04pm
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capteucalyptus (Scott Roche):
SDA's beleive that we are to still hold to the 10 commandments strictly and that those who worship on Sunday are antiChrist.
You must've met some redneck SDA or an legalist SDA. As a church in general we don't beleive ANY OF THE ABOVE. We believe:

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The Experience of Salvation:
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God's grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (2 Cor. 5:17-21; John 3:16; Gal. 1:4; 4:4-7; Titus 3:3-7; John 16:8; Gal. 3:13, 14; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; Rom. 10:17; Luke 17:5; Mark 9:23, 24; Eph. 2:5-10; Rom. 3:21-26; Col. 1:13, 14; Rom. 8:14-17; Gal. 3:26; John 3:3-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Rom. 12:2; Heb. 8:7-12; Eze. 36:25-27; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rom. 8:1-4; 5:6-10.)
As for the Sabbath:

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The Sabbath:
The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God's unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God's creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)
BTW, you'd be surprised as to what (not whom) we beleive the antichrist is. ..
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post #8 of 15
9/4/02 at 2:21pm
What exactly do you believe to be the Antichrist then?

It is plausible to Christians that he could be a president of the US or something of the like. In fact recently some have come to believer he has already been born.
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post #9 of 15
9/4/02 at 2:21pm
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Nelson:
BTW, you'd be surprised as to what (not whom) we beleive the antichrist is. ..
Microsoft? No, that wouldn't be a surprise.
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post #10 of 15
9/4/02 at 3:24pm
We beleive that the end-time Antichrist is the religious union that identifies with Satan in opposition to Christ.

See Revelation 13:11-17; 16:13, 14; 17:1-6.
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post #11 of 15
9/4/02 at 4:25pm
I think he's the Sideshow Mel-lookin' guy on American Idol.
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post #12 of 15
9/4/02 at 4:50pm
Could be could be....
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post #13 of 15
9/4/02 at 5:06pm
In my own flippant sort of way I guess I was trying to say I don't believe the Anti-Christ has been born yet...even though many believe.
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post #14 of 15
9/4/02 at 5:31pm
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Nelson:
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capteucalyptus (Scott Roche):
Protestants believe (in the main) that we are saved by Faith alone and view the Catholic church and some other sects (or cults if you prefer such as Mormons, JW's, SDA's, etc) preaching a doctrine of salvation by works as being antithetical to that belief.
Uhm.... Cap, bro, the Seventh-Day Adventist is not a cult for the record. Walter Martin would have you beleive that, but remember this man did more harm than good.
I did so sect or cult leaving it up to the individual. A sect is just a subset of Christianity. A cult is much more. They do add quite a bit to Christianity that I don't believe is even implied in the Bible, not the least of which is the fact that they think if you worship on Sunday you are anti-Christ. But as you say not the topic at hand.
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post #15 of 15
9/4/02 at 5:34pm
[quote]Nelson:
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BTW, you'd be surprised as to what (not whom) we beleive the antichrist is. ..
I did not say the Anti-Christ, I just said anti-Christ or against Christ, who is as you say Lord of the Sabbath. And from the SDA's I've met online say, isn't it the RCC?
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