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post #101 of 104
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Scott Standridge Will Eat You Alive:
Hos.8:4
"They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and [I} I knew it not[/I]."

I have a hard time making that last one a rhetorical device. Nitpicking, sure, but either it's all true or it's not. One exception disproves the theorem.
The word translated as know there is refering more to recognition. Israel was setting up kings and princes against God's wishes.
post #102 of 104
Scott Standridge,

The site you posted at is for people who have never studied the Bible. There are many, many easy explanations for most of those alleged problems. Let's look at #1:

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Did Jesus appear to the eleven or to the twelve? The resurrected Jesus appeared to the eleven. Jesus appeared to the twelve.
Mt.28:16
"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him."
Mk.16:14
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."

1 Cor.15:5
"And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve."
The disciples were known as the "twelve." But Jesus did not appear to Judas, who may have been dead at the time. Therefore he could only appear to the eleven remaining persons of the "twelve." Paul is being concise, Mark and Matthew being literal. Jesus was seen by the eleven remaing members of the team "dozen disciples."

The author of the site is trying to appear knowledgeable by "citing sources," but instead reveals their own ignorance. If the author has taken even one class on the subject, I would be shocked.

Knowledge is power! Do some research Internet skeptic!
post #103 of 104
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sidey22:

The Catholic church defined that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of revelation and the end of it.
The Catholic Church matters.... because?

No offense to Catholics... but your church isn't the final word on everything.
post #104 of 104
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Did Jesus appear to the eleven or to the twelve?
The resurrected Jesus appeared to the eleven.

Jesus appeared to the twelve.

Mt.28:16
"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him."

Mk.16:14
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."

1 Cor.15:5
"And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve."
the author of this page copies from book he sells on his sites. if he only would read the following in the first chapter of Acts:

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13: and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James.

14: All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

15: In those days Peter stood up among the brethren (the company of persons was in all about a hundred and twenty), and said,

16: "Brethren, the scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David, concerning Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.

17: For he was numbered among us, and was allotted his share in this ministry.

18: (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. [<<<<< they're talking about Judas Iscariot here!!! ]

19: And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their language Akel'dama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20: For it is written in the book of Psalms, `Let his habitation become desolate, and let there be no one to live in it'; and `His office let another take.'

21: So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22: beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us -- one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection."

23: And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsab'bas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthi'as.

24: And they prayed and said, "Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen

25: to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place."

26: And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthi'as; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles.

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