Aliens are Demons?

This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is a joke.

People do the same thing to animals every day. That make us demons as well?

I really hope this is a joke.

No demons or aliens -except the illegal kind- are visiting us.

Nope I personally believe aliens (as in what everyone confesses in seeing) are indeed demons. Perfect trickery to use to confuse and confound people.

Lucifer was the angel of light before he fell. Aliens constantly have referenced to their spacecrafts as lights in the sky, or blinding lights, or so on and so on.

Also the composite sketches of aliens can easily be be described as demonesque.

Numerous cultish beliefs have arisen from the beliefs of aliens and also the worship of aliens. What perfect way to make people stray away from God. What perfect way to send a bunch a people in mass (that mass suicide cult) to hell. Seems like an awesome way of making people confused.

Also if you want to know the Bible speaks that the spiritual realm is more real then the hand that is on your mouse. The spiritual realm can easily affect this physical realm. So demons would be able to create images of stars in the sky(remember the Bible symbolically refers to the fall of Lucifer and his demons as falling stars) that move, lights moving in the sky. Demons are not limited to running around playing upon our minds. Oh no. They are big time in the deception business.

So to me it is not a joke.

You mean like Jim Jones reading from the Bible while he led his cult in a mass suicide?

Personally, I don't think it's all that hard to convince gullible people of anything.

Just so I'm clear: Are you saying demons exist to the exclusion of extraterrestrial life, or just that the e.t.'s credited with abductions are actually demons?

True very true.

But as the Lord has sent us salvation through his only Son and that is the only way to heaven the Devil of course has many ways to get you to hell. Whether it be a cult or "aliens" he has no problem as to what you believe as long as it isn't the way of God. He doesn't need worship, he just needs you to share his fate.

Well as for me I don't know if there is life out there. I do not believe that we will ever have contact with it nor do I believe that we we will ever know. I find it difficult with the Bible not mentioning existence of life beyond earth (intelligent) that there is life beyond in the stars. I could be wrong. But the universe is vast and God's hand is the size of it (aka withut end) so who knows. But when I think about that and realize God looks down on me every moment of the day, creator of everything, well I just feel secure no matter what life sends me.

What is Satan looking for when he probes our ass?

You guys are kidding.....right?

It's a joke to me!

Garbage like this makes me weep for my species. Believing in alien abductions is bad enough without bringing in backup nonsense to explain the first nonsense.

Has it occured to you that the same pyschological twist that makes some people see aliens these days made us see demons hundreds of years ago, and that's why alien abduction tales are similar to demon/fairy/pixie/elf/imp kidnap stories from the past? The phenomenon hasn't changed, the way we contextualize it has.

Seems to me a lot of people are already confused if they believe in flying saucers, never mind in flying saucers being spawned in the depths of hell.

Ok. Who the hell blew my cover??

Ok, that's what I thought. E.T.'s would presumedly be creatures of God just as humans are. Nothing more than an as yet discovered living organisms. Demons, for purposes of this thread, are creatures of the netherworld, sent by satan to disrupt the faith of believers by "staging" abductions. Is the purpose of the demonic abductions to cause the abductee to question God on a cosmic level?

Salvation, sir, salvation.

And when he gets to Jennifer Lopez, he may just find it.

You did, by championing the obviously alien-created films of George Lucas.

It is all about misdirection and confusion. It makes people believe what is contrary to God. Now it all depends on how the person reacts but I don't find being in the company of demons a fun time.

As for your comment Seabass just know that I could be just as sad for my "species" because they fail to open their eyes a little wider and realize what is so evident all around them.

Eyes to see and ears to hear.

Like I said a couple times before it is all meant to through a loop in preople's thinking. A person not realizing an alien is in fact a demon but rather a higher being would naturally come to regard that idea almost exactly like worship. They desire to know more and in desiring to know more about these "higher beings" they do not seek God. To those gullible enough it is a perfect method. Like one Chewer has in his quote, and it is so true, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make the world believe he didn't exist. And right now he is doing a damn good job of it.

It is simple. God has one method for man to accept salvation and everlasting life yet the devil has countless ways for you to join him in a life of sulphur and fire. He doesnt care what way you pick, whether Satanist or just a good person who never accepeted Jesus, its just as long as you join him in eternal damnation and punishment. It is easy to choose Lucifer's ways. Hardest to choose God's. Especially in a world where the devil has dominion. An incredible network of demons and spirits to confuse man and make him fall into folly. Trick, trap, and trample.

There is a book by a Dr Jack W Hayford that talks about the way demons make man fail in accepting Christ. Great read and its in no way a big book. In fact I think it is called The Way Demons Trick, Trap, and Trample. I recommend it for the curious.

But this is all my belief and the faiththat I hold and you can accept that or reject that. Just the way life is.

I'll save you some time. There is no satan. If there was, I think he'd be a little more intelligent than this.

Are you saying that anyone who claims to have been obducted by UFO's, become sinners? That anyone researching them, is defying God? I'm pretty sure God never said anything about aliens in the Bible, therefore studying them has to be something less than a sin.

Besides, what about good aliens, like ET, Mac, those freaks from Explorers, etc. Since they don't do bad things, maybe they're......ANGELS! God's servents in hideous form.

Hell doesn't exist, Jesus knew it, & so do I.

Okay...what about dinosaur bones?

Seriously, that's only a half-joke. I've heard the same sort of argument applied to the fossil record--that cavemen didn't exist, and that all those dinosaur bones were put into the earth by Satan in order to lead men astray. And unlike alien abductions, dinosaur bones are demonstrably THERE. So how about it?

I'm realy trying to see where you are coming from CT but this is just baffling to me. It seems that you are just covering your ass in the event E.T.s are discovered because that would screw up a whole mess of stuff for you. If Satan is using fake UFO abductions to make a few random backwoods farmers sinners he should really rethink his planning. A bottle of Scotch and some good quality porno is enough to get most of us over to the dark side.

[quote]Whiskey2blood:
Nope. Just to be mean. Like stealing a little kids ice cream, except for the spaceship part.

If outer space is merely a mask for the heavens....those Heaven's Gate people were right!

WE MISSED THE SHIP!!!!!!!!!

Rob Schneider would pay good money for material like this.

I perfectly understand. I don't expect anyone here to go running into the streets yelling " I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!"

I have no need to cover my "ass" when I know what I know and believe in it fully. Whether that makes many of you debate my sanity, all I can say to that is "oh well"

The thing is in explaining all this and for it to actually make sense you would have to accept there is a God. Then you have to accept a Satan and his minions capable of deceiving in incredible ways, even to the oint a human mind cannot understand. You have to accept there is a spiritual realm that must be able to manipulate whatever you see around you without you seeing it.

And all that above isn't even half of it. This is why explaining things of one's faith sometimes can be so difficult. It is easy for me to put two and two like this together through my faith. And that is no slight against anyone it is just because I have come to understand these things through the application of my faith in my learning and my life.

So to put it concisely I expect no one in here to even begin to accept this. I expect most to think I'm kokoo and that is fine with me because I am comfortable in my faith. But this is what I believ and this is how I can rationally(faith based rationale though) place it before you. In reality I shouldn't even bother speaking out on this because I know most won't understand what I am trying to say but truth is truth and should be spoken whether people accept it or not.

The interesting thing I find here is that people are taking the rationale that this isn't too intelligent of the devil. But it is. Look at what occured with the Heaven's Gate cult. Massive coverage of the situation and a buncha lives now in hell to boot. Countless others now exploring (the more weak minded) if these people were right and are now on some kind of heavenly mothership. Also there is some mistaken thoughts here that I believe seeking more information about aliens and such is a sin. Or that if you are abducted that is a sin. No its not. But it does create a diversion to God. Some people won't believe a God would let them have such horrid things happen. Some people will think that indeed all our beliefs in God have always been based on aliens and now we are coming to realize this. It is a diversion. It is a deceiving tactic. No need for sin just keeping people from looking to God. Granted some people may come out of this and then seek God. But there would be far more affected adversely then those who would find God.

We're all sinners when born and like I said there is one way to heaven and many ways to hell. A abduction doesn't send us to hell but it can sure confuse us enough not to find the only way to heaven.

And again the greatest trick ever pulled is to never believe a satan exists. Satan doesn't care if you don't believe in him. In fact I'd say he'd encourage that behavior. He knows that if you never believe in him that one day you'll have a nice front row seat with him to eternal damnation. You gotta understand he will entertain all your delights here on earth all you like but he knows whats in store.

I have respect for the devil. Not a good respect nor is it a fearful respect but I do not underestimate what he is capable of.

But its all up to whoever reads this to decide if what I say is total b.s. or if there is something of truth to what I say. Its up to you.

Humans are advanced yet have no real problem experimenting on other advanced life on the planet. Why would the assumption be that aliens are any different? If they don't feel we have anything to offer other than what may or may not be up our asssess why bother to chat it up? The smart thing would be to be sneaky, any intelligent being would no we would cut him straight the fuck up and have a look see given the chance.

How is any of this any different from the way we "observe" and "research" other creatures we consider to be lesser life forms? Maybe they perform barbaric experiments because they don't really give a shit how we will take it. Or maybe they are just sadistic bastards that enjoy the occasional anal probe. Or maybe it's just that the abductions are the creations of over active imaginations or of people looking for attention in their otherwise tragically mundane lives.
And if the aliens truly are intelligent, then the White House is currently the last place they should go for likeminded conversation.

But demons? I gotta go with otis' post that scotch (preferably single-malt) and porn (but none of that 70's shit)are pretty much all you need to fill hell to the brim (stone). (Sorry for that godawful joke. It was the aliens.)

[quote]CTDeLude:
No joking or sarcasm here asking this because I'm curious. Does it ever actually say in the Bible that suicide is a sin? I'm assuming it does because that is common knowledge in most religions but having gone to church/Sunday school for years as a kid I can't recall ever actually reading that, just having it told to me.

[quote]otisthecat:
Suicide is like the ultimate rejection of God's power in your life. You are saying "forget you Lord this life is too much and I cannot take it anymore" God is always there for you. There should never be a time to commit suicide. It is selfish.

Also don't confuse that with laying down your life for another. Jesus said that is the greatest thing a man can do.

That's not a bad argument against aliens. Indeed, why would they fly all this way to conduct clumsy intrusive medical experiments (funny how victims never mention EMR machines or something similar)? Supposed alien activities make no sense.

But before saying some other agency must be up to these tricks, why not find some proof that someone is up to these tricks? Because so far, the stories don't add up. I don't think aliens or demons are the root cause of UFO stories. I think humans are. More rehashed abuduction stories won't change that. Proof would, though. Proof that these things happen, proof that demons are real, proof that these demons are Satan's minions, and proof that these demons are doing these things.

Is that so much to ask?

And what's so special about The White House?

And granted some people are, in fact, just delusional. I don't believe in blaming everything on demons and the like. We have to take a lot of responsibility for our own flawed actions.

But it's not evident, and that's the whole problem. There isn't anything to make me believe in UFO incidents or demons. One explaining the other is no explanation at all.

Besides, randomly afflicting people with UFO visitations seems a pretty ineffective way to shake their belief in God. Off the top of my head, I'll bet the shenanigans clergymen engage in with little boys are more effective in that regard.

Well you must understand like I said several times in this thread, there are many different ways to decieve and shake peoples faith in the Lord. Hijinks of the clergy will affect the followers of Christianity more then UFO visitings. The devil uses each as a tactic. It is as much like a real worldly battle as anything. And UFO sightings and the like will affect non-believers more then Christians. Think of it as a twisted different strokes for different folks. Just because one person can be decieved or led away from the Lord (or finding Him) in one manner doesn't mean everyone else will. many tactics for the small goal. You do not fight a war with a single tactic or a single type of soldier and expect to win the war. You use infantry, you use armor, you use, planes, you use spies. It all is fighting to win a war.

Devil just doesnt realized he is beat.

[quote]otisthecat:
While suicide may be a sin (murder is and what's suicide but self-murder) that would not be the reason that the Heaven's Gate cult is in Hell. They rejected God in life. That's the important bit.

Now on topic (which I resisted for a while but I can resist no longer), there is zero reason to believe that aliens are demons. I believe in demons, but I cannot prove their existence. It requires faith on my part.

There is only marginal "evidence" for the existence of aliens that have visited our planet. The law of averages says that life probably exists on other planets. I believe that it does and that some of it may even be sentient and be as advanced as we are if not more so. Believing in alien "visitors" requires as much faith as believing in demons.

Satan has plenty of ammo without the need of convincing people that they have been probed.

You could not possibly be more right. The remarkable similarities between alien abduction tales of today -- they happen late at night while the subject is asleep, the subject reports feeling "paralyzed," the subject describes a highly sexualized experience at the hands of his or her abductors -- and the identical tales from centuries past of being raped or molested in one's sleep by heccubi and succubi, or ghosts and spirits (depending on which supernatural creature happened to be in vogue in the particular society at that particular time) are obviously not coincidental.

For that, I actually would offer some mild degree of praise for the thread's creator noticing the link, because it is quite firm. The problem would lie in accepting the ancient tales as any more "true" than the current ones (a leap that, if one is to make, could just as easily suggest that the demons ancient people believed were visiting them were actually aliens instead) rather than the far more mundane explanation that both categories of experience are nothing more than elaborate wet dreams.

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There are no words for the hilarity of this thread.

Glad to know you like it!

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. -- Revelation 12

Which is a typical Biblical description of the physical characteristics of demons and of Satan, and doesn't in any way match the composite sketches proferred by alleged alien abduction victims (which have, since the early 1960s, all tended to follow the descriptions offered by Betty and Barney Hill -- which more or less exactly mirrored aliens that had been shown on The Outer Limits about two weeks prior to their alleged abduction.)

But so is God, apparently.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Why you even need a concept of Satan or demons is a bit puzzling, where God says himself that HE is the root source of evil in the world.

I should probably know better than to bother asking this question of someone who claims any belief "contrary to God" is the work of Satan, but I assume you DO recognize there is a difference between being vast and being "without end," right? The universe is vast, but it is also finite. Were it not finite, then it would be impossible for it to expand. We can see that it IS expanding. How does this jibe with your notion of the "size of God's hand," if at all?

Uh huh, but how can you KNOW what is "contrary to God?" God himself seemed quite pissed when Job dared to ask him, ya know, why he was getting screwed over so much.

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

And on and on and on. (One of my favorite Biblical passages, by the way, simply for the image of God telling this poor guy to hold on to his nuts while he rheems him out. Old Testament God was definitely more of a ball-breaker... literally.)

23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out - Job 37

And that would seem to be the Bible's definitive answer on the issue. After all, when asked his name by Moses, this is the same God who replies only "I am that I am." To name something is to give it comprehensible qualities. The Biblical God, on numerous occassions, seems to regard that notion as in direct violation of His will. If I were a true believer, which I'm not, I'd be quite offended by the modern fundamentalist take that the will of God could ever truly be known by man, when all Biblical accounts point to quite the opposite.

Then why is it that most who claim alien abductions are terrorized by the experience and feel they have been seriously violated?

Anticipating the inevitable "because they were shown the light of God, blah blah blah" answer, then if Christ is the one true path to God, why ever bother visiting this particular kind of "confusion" on NON-Christians, who presumably are already on their paths to Hell?

Absolutely not, but nor do I believe there are supernatural creatures doing the same in hopes that it might make some Christian believer give up his faith. It would seem to me that if supernatural evil monsters want people to seriously doubt they, and their goodly angelic counterparts, exist, then they'd do best to keep doing what they've been doing -- failing to provide any sort of tangible evidence whatsoever that there's any good reason to believe in them.

What's truly amazing here is your ability to exercise just ENOUGH critical thinking to recognize this particular piece of popular horseshit, but NOT enough to recognize the horseshit that you'd rather put in its place.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Jesus said the GREATEST thing a man can do is to castrate himself.

Matthew 19

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Comic Ray that is easily one of the best posts I have ever read on these boards. Thank you.

A mighty "thank ya" and "yer welcome" right back at ya.

Very enlightening post, Mr. Ray.

I will always remember this:

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Wait a minute. That fancy logic can only mean one thing: You're an Alien/Devil/Michael Jackson! Aaaahhh!

I've just discovered my new favorite Bible passage. Thank you, Cosmic, for doing your research and knowing the Bible incredibly well. You're the man.

[quote]Cosmic Ray:
Obviously, if one believes in a God that created the universe, God allowed all possibilities including the possibility for evil. In essence, God created evil, or rather the capacity for beings to become evil, because otherwise we would just be automatons. Of course this delves into free will etc. but this supposedly grand revelation that God caused evil... well, that's not so grand. The big question is whether God accepts or approves of the evil that he generously allowed us to experience as creatures of spirit and soul. My guess is that's a no!

[quote]Cosmic Ray:
Well, when you don't quote all the relevant verses, you can pretty much dissemble as much as you want.

Matthew 19:9
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Matthew 19:10
The disciples *said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry."

Matthew 19:11
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.

Matthew 19:12
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."

So Jesus says no divorce except for adultery and his followers say they don't know if they can live up to that and maybe they shouldn't marry. Then the key line is verse 11 not twelve where Jesus says if you can't handle the rules of marriage then perhaps you should not marry at all. He then flips to eunuchs to illustrate that some don't have the same choices (about marriage) that everyone else does but pretty much says with the last line that the rules about marriage are the rules, and you have to accept them regardless of your situation. Jesus never tells anyone to cut off their wee-wee and never says that that is the greatest thing. He does imply that celibacy is a good option for a Godly life, but never says that this is for everyone, nor should it be. wink

Looks like you need a Biblical refresher course Cosmic Ray.

On the Aliens/Demons thing I really have no clue. I was recently reading a book called The Mothman Prophecies (since turned into a Richard Gere vehicle) a non-fiction (chortle) book which details some of the histories of alien sightings etc. and relates them to stories of demons, as has been done in this thread. Frankly, the book was so poorly written and researched that I didn't give it much heed. Just thought I'd let people know that this is not a new theory but there have been many permutations of this. I do believe that there are things beyond our comprehension as humans, but whether or not demons are anally probing Iowa farmers is a rather bizarre scenario.

Question to the peanut gallery (or Delude since I know he'll answer this one):

What powers do demons have exactly? I realize the Bible implies that they can possess, possibly create images in people's minds... but can they move physical objects? Can they drive cars? Create flashing lights? What is the extent of their reach into this world?