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The Six Commandments?

post #1 of 9
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A friend sent me this (he says he gleaned it from espn.com, of all places), and I thought it might make for some healthy, thoughtful, spirited debate:

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"...it can be argued that Christianity actually has Six Commandments, not Ten. Jesus was once asked (at Matthew 19:17-19) which Commandments should be kept. The answer: "And Jesus said, 'You shall not murder; you shall not
commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness. Honor your father and mother. Also, you shall love your neighbor as
yourself.' " That's Six Commandments! Can you name the missing Four? These are the Commandments that Christ leaves off his inventory: "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make yourself an idol. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God. Remember the Sabbath Day, and keep it holy." (From Exodus 20:3-8, NSRV.)

That is, Jesus consciously edited the Ten Commandments down to Six, deleting the commandments concerning formal religious observance."
Thoughts? Does he have a point, or is it blasphemy?
post #2 of 9
Interestingly enough if you go a bit further you get this:

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20The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth.[10] What do I still lack?"
21Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
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Giving your money to the poor is not a commandment, though it could be extrapolated from love your neighbor. The point was that Jesus knew that this man had done a good job of following the commandments, but not a perfect one. I'm sure that he knew that the young man honored God in the appropriate ways. Ultimately though he was unable to sacrifice his will for God's. We all fall short and even if there were just one commandment we'd manage to mess that up. So your friend has a point that all ten aren't mentioned here. But I don't think that means Jesus was advocating graven iomages or having other gods. The point isn't for Jesus to give us a checklist of some sort to follow.

Go to the end of that chapter and see this

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3 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
25When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"
26But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
27Then Peter answered and said to Him, "See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?"
28So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[11] or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
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We are to be willing to sacrifice all of the things in our life that we deem important and put God's will first. That is the essence of the Commandments
post #3 of 9
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But if it's not a checklist, why single out those six above the others? Why not just say, "Do what you can as well as you can" without getting specific? It seems to me that by going down a list he's saying in effect, "Okay, these are the really important ones." Perhaps he's not saying, "Forget all about the one's I didn't mention," but it seems he's certainly pointing out that some are more important and applicable than others.
post #4 of 9
I forget the exact wording, but George Carlin broke the Ten Commandments down into one; it basically being, don't be an asshole.
post #5 of 9
Actually, if we want to get technical, the list commonly referenced as THE 10 commandments is never actually called that. They are simply the list cited by Moses when he comes down from Mt. Sinai in Exodus 20:2-17, but they were never inscribed on any stone tablets. Moses makes a second trip up the mountain in Exodus 31:18, and gets the first set of stone-carved commandments, but then immediately destroys them in the midst of Golden Calfgate in Exodus 32:19.

Finally, he goes back a third time, and God gives him a replacement set.

Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. -- Exodus 34:1

THESE are the only set ever actually referred to as The Ten Commandments. (And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. -- Exodus 34:28) However, it should be noted, that the account of this set of commandments is quite different from the ones Charlton Heston would have us hanging in every public school classroom. It reads as follows, from Exodus 34:14-26:

1) Thou shalt worship no other God.
2) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
5) Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
6) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God.
7) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8) Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9) The first of the firstfruits of thy land shalt thou bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10) Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.


So, if it's possible that God himself could get the commandments COMPLETELY mixed up in only a matter of days, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that Jesus, too, might have just FORGOTTEN the other four commandments?
post #6 of 9
<strong>But if it's not a checklist, why single out those six above the others? Why not just say, "Do what you can as well as you can" without getting specific?</strong>

Probably to give the young man the opportunity to show his pride (also a sin).

<strong>It seems to me that by going down a list he's saying in effect, "Okay, these are the really important ones." </strong>

I don't think that was his intention. Though it is possible. There are actually over 600 commandments and these would be among the most important. He was trying to show the young man that his weakness came in the area of loving others and thus these are the commands he picked out.

<strong>Perhaps he's not saying, "Forget all about the one's I didn't mention," but it seems he's certainly pointing out that some are more important and applicable than others.</strong>

And actually he points out the most important commands in Mt 22.

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34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[2] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[3] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
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So you could certainly argue that some are more important to God than others. But I think really what it boils down to is verse 40. All of Gods commands boil down to those two concepts. And since we can really do neither of these things that shows us our need for a saviour.

And since these
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"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make yourself an idol. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God. Remember the Sabbath Day, and keep it holy." (From Exodus 20:3-8, NSRV.)
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are vital to loving God, they can't be left out utterly.
post #7 of 9
And if you want to really get technical Ray, God gave his people over 600 laws to follow.
post #8 of 9
Yes, 612, to be exact. But again, that latter list is the only one ever specifically called the ten commandments.
post #9 of 9
Yep. Because there are ten and they are commandments. Thanks to Moses' photographic memory we have the original 10 thankfully. wink

And it's wothwhile to point out that yhe last word in verse 28 should be translated as words. And its a lot more than ten words.
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