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Be afraid. Be very afraid.

post #1 of 13
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This from <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121692,00.html" target="_blank">ZDNet UK</a>

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Gamers face jail in Greece
13:55 Tuesday 3rd September 2002
Rupert Goodwins and Matt Loney

A new law passed in Greece means that anybody carrying an electronic game - even if it is just on a mobile phone - could face a hefty fine or lengthy jail sentence
Thousands of British tourists in Greece are unknowingly facing heavy fines or long terms in prison for owning mobile phones or portable video games. The Greek government has banned all electronic games across Greece, including those in home computers, Game Boy-style portable consoles, and on mobile phones.

Law Number 3037, enacted at the end of July, explicitly forbids electronic games with 'electronic mechanisms and software' from public and private places, and people have already been fined tens of thousands of euros for playing or owning games.

Internet cafes are allowed to continue to operate, providing all gaming is prohibited: if a client is found to be running any sort of game, including online chess, the café owner will be fined and the place closed. The law applies equally to visitors from abroad: "If you know these things are banned, you should not bring them in," said the commercial attaché at the Greek Embassy in London -- who declined to give her name.

The law was passed to prevent illegal gambling. According to the Greek newspaper Kathimerini, "The police will be responsible for catching offenders, who will face fines of 5,000 to 75,000 euros and imprisonment of one to 12 months. The blanket ban was decided in February after the government admitted it was incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines." One online report said that even watching a film on DVD -- many of which contain promotional games linked to the movie -- had resulted in an arrest and a 10,000-euro fine.

The Greek gaming community has reacted with a mixture of shock, disbelief and anger. One site, <a href="http://www.gameland.gr," target="_blank">www.gameland.gr,</a> has opened a petition and a news service on the ban, as well as providing English translations of the law and messages of support from around the world.

A test case is to come before the Greek courts next week, and the Greek gaming community is already planning protests in the event that the defendant is convicted.

"We are trying to organise a protest against this law," said Petros Tipis of Thessaloniki-based gaming company Reload Entertainment, which has had to cancel a gaming tournament that was to be held this week.

If the prosecution of the defendant next week is successful, said Tipis, the Greek gaming industry will take the case to the European Court.

In the meantime, Tipis told ZDNet UK, a lot of people in Greece are very worried about the new law. "They are taking it very seriously," he said. "It even affects the games that come with Windows. This law isn't the right one," he added. "It is unfair. It was introduced too quickly."

Reload's tournament, which was to be held on 6 September, was a qualifier for the CPL Oslo 2002 gaming tournament. "Now we are trying not to lose the two slots we were given from CPL for the tournament," said Tipis. "This was the first time for a qualifier (for this tournament) in Greece."
Can you even imagine waking up tomorrow and being fined $5000 - $75000 and being jailed for up to a year for playing 'The Thing'?

Now I suppose we'll be hearing a whole slew of new Greek jokes...
post #2 of 13
I have never been to Grece and I am definatly never going. What is there problem, how stupid can the Greek goverment be to think that the soliter which comes with Windows is illegal gambling. Why are they are even banning console games and portable games like gameboy and PS2, there are no games that you can play on those systems that have to do with online gambaling.
post #3 of 13
Could have something to do with the Olympics perhaps.
post #4 of 13
Greek lawmakers specifically said in the bill that they have no way to tell the difference between regular electronic/video games and gambling ones. They just blanket banned all of them out of ignorance. It's an overly broad law and a bad use of Greek taxpayer money. I'm positive it will be overtuned at some point.
post #5 of 13
The whole thing is completely stupid.
post #6 of 13
It's not April 1st is it? Because that's fucking nuts.
post #7 of 13
Yet another entry in dumblaws.com, my country's first!

That's what happens when you get seventy-year olds making laws. Although I think it'll probably be one of those stupid laws that never get to be enforced in practice. To understand the complete surrealism of the situation, I only have to tell you that it is, of course, still perfectly legal to import and buy video games. You are just not supposed to play them!

In any case, back to my criminal activities I go!
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mastronikolas Vs Predator:
To understand the complete surrealism of the situation, I only have to tell you that it is, of course, still perfectly legal to import and buy video games. You are just not supposed to play them!
Kinda similar to the UK law on "magic mushrooms". It's legal to take them, but it's illegal to pick and carry them. So as long as you graze them from the field like a cow, you're just dandy.
post #9 of 13
I think in the UK there's also this weird loophole where it's perfectly ok to have sex with a prostitute as long as you aren't caught actually soliciting the prostitute.

Or so I've heard.
post #10 of 13
The first trial of net cafe owners took place today in the city of Thessaloniki. Their business was shut down after a police check last week found patrons playing chess over the internet.

The accused were found not guilty and the judge concluded by stating that the law is unconstitutional, creating a legal precedent that renders it ineffective.

so that's the end of this outburst of stupidity.
post #11 of 13
Why the hell does Europe have such strange laws?
post #12 of 13
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mastronikolas Vs Predator:
The first trial of net cafe owners took place today in the city of Thessaloniki. Their business was shut down after a police check last week found patrons playing chess over the internet.

The accused were found not guilty and the judge concluded by stating that the law is unconstitutional, creating a legal precedent that renders it ineffective.

so that's the end of this outburst of stupidity.
Man! The next law will be you can't pee while holding your jimmy cause if you hold your jimmy it will be called rape and you could go to prision.
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Adam_72:
I think in the UK there's also this weird loophole where it's perfectly ok to have sex with a prostitute as long as you aren't caught actually soliciting the prostitute.

Or so I've heard.
yeah we've got some cracking little by-laws.
This is my personal fave;
"It is still legal to shoot a Welshman dead if they are in your back garden after midnight"

many a night ive tied a leek to a stick and dangled it over my fence.
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