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post #1 of 33
4/11/03 at 2:09am
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From <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6024926.html" target="_blank">http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6024926.html</a>
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US Senators Joe Lieberman and Sam Brownback said Wednesday that they intend to introduce legislation that would fund research on how exposure to different forms of media affects children. Lieberman, a Connecticut Democrat, singled out video games as a particular area of concern and took yet another swing at Grand Theft Auto III, the best-selling PlayStation 2 game.

Lieberman said in the statement that the game links violence with sex and rewards players for degrading and killing women. "This is sick and indefensible," Lieberman said. "But beyond being offensive to our values, we should know whether this is helping to nurture misogynistic views and behaviors among young boys."

The planned legislation would create a program within the National Institutes of Health to fund studies measuring the health effects of media on children.

"Although our research base on the power of interactive media to influence children's learning and development is growing, it is still small," said Brownback, a Kansas Republican. "If this nation wants to realize the best for its youth, then additional research funding is essential to provide the information parents need to make informed decisions about their children's health."

Violent video games have come under increasing scrutiny in recent years. Rep. Joe Baca (D-California) introduced legislation last year that would have made it a federal crime to sell or rent a violent video game to a minor. The government of Australia banned Grand Theft Auto III, deeming it unsuitable for minors. And a federal appeals court in St. Louis is reviewing local legislation that bans the sale of violent video games to minors.
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Like I've said before, these so called liberals should be looking out for our rights to play these games. Fucking cunts. For one thing, when someone critizes GTA, they ALWAYS go after the hookers and the killing of hookers. That's about 0.5 percent of the game. Eat my ass, Lieberman.

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post #2 of 33
4/11/03 at 2:53am
Seems like the guy never lets up.
In the words of Snake Plisskin " Land of the free. "
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post #3 of 33
4/11/03 at 3:28am
"Der Fuher" is probally NOT the best term to use for the son and son in law of Holocaust survivors. Just so you know.
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post #4 of 33
4/11/03 at 3:32am
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It's irony.
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post #5 of 33
4/11/03 at 8:23am
I'm sure the parents of Al Capone were decent folk.
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post #6 of 33
4/11/03 at 10:25am
Let's see... Misguided Anti-Video Game Legislation = Killing 6 Million Innocent Souls.

Great analogy!
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post #7 of 33
4/11/03 at 10:45am
Shouldn't they do research on what kind of parents let their eight year old kid get these games that are rated "Mature"?
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post #8 of 33
4/11/03 at 10:48am
I agree. This is all in the parents' laps... not that of the game designers and publishers.

For instance, I own the Grand Theft Auto games for PS2... but you will NEVER see my daughter playing them nor do I even play it myself when she is around. That's the kind of diligence that these misguided politicos need to harp on, not the games themselves.
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post #9 of 33
4/11/03 at 10:48am
C'mon, Boomstick. We can't trust parents to police their children. That's why we have government. You and I shouldn't have the right to choose a mature video game if there are children out there who might happen upon them. Same thing is true for dirty movies and magazines.
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post #10 of 33
4/11/03 at 11:28am
I was at the video store getting ready to rent some games and there was a guy a little older than me looking all over for Vice City. He was on the other side of the rack, so I could just barely see his head, and he was talking to a lady in that aisle about what he was looking for. Trying to be a helpful soul, I let him know that there were copies on my side of the rack. He and the lady both rushed over with their kids (I hadn't even been able to see the kids because of the rack) and grabbed copies. Before I could even get a warning out of my mouth (the kids were 6 or 7) the guy looks at the lady and says "I hear that you can run over hookers and shoot anybody, but it's what the kids want..." and the lady responded "I know, mine too."
And with that they took their copies to the front counter and I silently cursed the fact that anybody can have a kid.
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post #11 of 33
4/11/03 at 12:49pm
In a nutshell thats the problem right there A. Thanks for posting that.
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post #12 of 33
4/11/03 at 12:54pm
Not on my watch. And the wife is even more strict.

I'm just saddened that some of us are raising decent human beings who will one day be surrounded by scum hell.
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post #13 of 33
4/11/03 at 1:52pm
The world would be a better place with more Carl Cunningham's this I am sure of (Although not in your true alien Signs form. ) however there are so many fools out there (If what A-Pathetic just posted isn't an indication of a true fool I don't know whatelse is.) that make things hard for good responsible people.
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post #14 of 33
4/11/03 at 3:38pm
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How idiotic do these mothers have to be? They should have had their wombs removed.
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post #15 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:00pm
I let my kid brother play through both GTA games for the PS2. He thought they were fucking hilarious, and he laughed his little ass off every time he started sniping the paramedics who had arrived to help the people he had just taken apart with a katana. Am I worried about him growing up to be a prostitute-choking monster? Nope.

For one thing, he's smart enough to get the joke, to understand that the gratuitous violence is all tongue-in-cheek (the same way that he howls with laughter during the killer rabbit scene in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"). The solution isn't to introduce tougher legislation--it's to stop having stupid fucking kids. If your kid is emulating things he saw in a video game, he's a moron, and it's your own damn fault for raising an idiot child.

For another thing, there's nothing wrong with killing prostitutes.

My question is--Why is Joe Lieberman so concerned with the welfare of future hookers? You don't see him targeting video games that kill terrorists, animals, or circus clowns--just hookers. I think he's just protecting his interests. "Mad Stranglin' Joe" doesn't want kids to steal his hooker-throttling thunder.
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post #16 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:01pm
yeah, and they should use Links hookshot to do it.

I thought this thread was about the Lieberman expansion pack for the sims that was reviewed in the recent pc gamer.

sneaky bastards
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post #17 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:05pm
Guys, do what I did and tell the Senator how you feel. Go to his website <a href="http://lieberman.senate.gov/" target="_blank">here,</a> scroll down to the "Send An E-Mail" button, choose "viloence in video games", and fill in the blanks as necessary.

You gotta put your money where your mouth is...
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post #18 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:24pm
Quote:
Jacob Singer:
You gotta put your money where your mouth is...
If you kill enough hookers you will have plenty of money to make this happen.
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post #19 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:38pm
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Slater Has No Shame:
I let my kid brother play through both GTA games for the PS2. He thought they were fucking hilarious, and he laughed his little ass off every time he started sniping the paramedics who had arrived to help the people he had just taken apart with a katana. Am I worried about him growing up to be a prostitute-choking monster? Nope.
Exactly how old is your kid brother? I don't think somebody would necessarily need to be 17 to play, but a 6-7 year old is just too young (in my opinion). Do I anticipate that these kids will grow up axe murderers? No, but I do anticipate that a child has become desensitized to violence too early to truly get a gauge on right/wrong. People who help to rob a child of their innocence should take a rake to the head.
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post #20 of 33
4/11/03 at 4:48pm
He's twelve, almost thirteen.

At that age, I was sneaking into movie theaters at that age to watch flicks like "Re-Animator," I was getting my first rap CDs, and my cache of stroke books was already being compiled.

Yeah, six or seven is too young for the graphic stuff. And I'd argue that a STUPID kid shouldn't see graphic stuff in any situation, regardless of whether they are eight or eighteen.

But my brother can quote "Lord of the Rings" better than I can, he's seen all the Evil Dead flicks, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" is his favorite movie, and the other day I heard him call Pikachu a "cocksucker." He's cool enough to handle a little hooker-murdering.

It's not about age. It's about intelligence.
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post #21 of 33
4/11/03 at 5:14pm
Quote:
Slater Has No Shame:
He's twelve, almost thirteen.

At that age, I was sneaking into movie theaters at that age to watch flicks like "Re-Animator," I was getting my first rap CDs, and my cache of stroke books was already being compiled.

Yeah, six or seven is too young for the graphic stuff. And I'd argue that a STUPID kid shouldn't see graphic stuff in any situation, regardless of whether they are eight or eighteen.

But my brother can quote "Lord of the Rings" better than I can, he's seen all the Evil Dead flicks, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" is his favorite movie, and the other day I heard him call Pikachu a "cocksucker." He's cool enough to handle a little hooker-murdering.

It's not about age. It's about intelligence.
To a degree I feel the same way. I think 12/13 year olds it does depend on each kid and you would hope that each parent would take the time to figure out whether their kid was ready/capable or not (yeah right). The fact that a kid might go behind his parents back to do something is the worst kind of rationalization though.
Not quite sure why you'd be remotely proud of your kid brother calling a cartoon character a cocksucker, however. Seems pretty sad to me.
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post #22 of 33
4/11/03 at 5:18pm
The fact that you are proud of the following speaks volumes.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slater Has No Shame:
<strong>At that age, I was sneaking into movie theaters at that age to watch flicks like "Re-Animator," I was getting my first rap CDs, and my cache of stroke books was already being compiled.

he's seen all the Evil Dead flicks, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" is his favorite movie, and the other day I heard him call Pikachu a "cocksucker." He's cool enough to handle a little hooker-murdering.</strong>

<strong>It's not about age. It's about intelligence.</strong>

It's not about either. It's about maturity.
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post #23 of 33
4/11/03 at 5:21pm
Two things:

1. Pikachu IS a cocksucker.

2. Maturity is highly overrated. The day I become mature is the day I hope I drop over dead.
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post #24 of 33
4/11/03 at 5:30pm
[quote]Miaowara Tomokato (Scott Roche):


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Originally posted by Slater Has No Shame:
<strong>[qb]It's not about age. It's about intelligence.</strong>

It's not about either. It's about maturity.
If a twelve year old can't decipher between movie/video game violence and the real deal it becomes an intelligence issue.
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post #25 of 33
4/11/03 at 6:09pm
I don't care if kids can play these games, as long as they keep making them for me. I don't think PS2 was even designed for kids. Look at all the heavy titles it has. Start selling PS2 consoles and games in liquor stores for all I care. Just keep'em coming.

Kids, in general, can go sit in the corner.
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post #26 of 33
4/11/03 at 6:15pm
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a strict ass ratings system I just don't want to see good games dumbed down for a larger audience. Hooker murder or no hooker murder, GTA is an adult game in tone as well as violence, keep it that way. I actually find GTA to be a good stress reliever after listening to Link grunt and whine for a few hours.

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post #27 of 33
4/11/03 at 6:26pm
And not to beat a dead horse, but the GTA games have NOTHING to do with maturity. These are games that have you dropping porno leaflets all over the city, decapitating cartoonish characters with a chainsaw, visiting gay dance clubs, playing with remote controlled cars and helicopters, and listening to an endless stream of dirty or bizarre commercials on your car's radio. The games are a lot of things, but mature isn't one of them. My brother has a warped sense of humor, and we laugh at the same type of jokes. He thinks the GTA games are funny. He plays them because they make him laugh, and because he likes racing games. If he was just playing the games for the gore or the explicit shit, I wouldn't let him near a controller.

Case in point--"The Getaway." Same type of game, but removed from GTA's cartoonish, sarcastic world, it seems much more brutal and nasty than Vice City ever did (it also sucked quite a bit more, but that's a different story). I thought the violence and language in that game was exploitative, so I didn't let my kid brother play it. I'll defend the game's right to exist, and its right to be sold in your local Wal-Mart, but I didn't want my kid brother to play it, so I didn't let him. It's as simple as that.

Granted, I'm not a parent, and he's not my kid. And, to be perfectly honest, I'm more interested in making sure he has a good time when he comes to visit than making sure he grows up to be a model citizen. But it's not that difficult for me to gauge what he can and can't handle, what he's intelligent enough to understand and enjoy, and what would simply fuck with his head. (For example, I'll let him watch Deep Blue Sea or Army of Darkness, but not The Exorcist.) And if I can do it, everybody else should be able to do it as well. And that's what fucktards like Joe Lieberman will always fail to grasp. End of sermon.
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post #28 of 33
4/12/03 at 12:48pm
I agree that it should be the parents who decide what games their kids should and shouldn't play (and not based on what will shut them up). The problem is like what A-Pathetic said. Any stupid moron can have a kid. What's worse, it seems like evolution works backward here... the stupider you are, the easier it is to get pregnant.

I am in favor of a ratings system, but only to warn parents about what kind of game it is, and to help them decide. I think until the child reaches a certain age the parent should have a say in what video games are played. However, I think the mature age needs to be reduced to 13 or 14, because by that point the child needs to start making his own decisions. The only reason I say that is the movie ratings are what lead to movies like Daredevil. The movie was cut to crap and probably missed on many story elements that would have made it a better film. Why? Because this way 13-16 year olds could go to see the film while their parents went to see some other crap. I think a super strict ratings system will have an effect like that on video games. We will get the occasional GTA game that will sell despite being rated M, but most developers will tone down their content just to sell more units, and we could miss out on some truly great games.

Of course, maybe it will eliminate stuff like BMX:XXX, so maybe its a good thing.
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post #29 of 33
4/12/03 at 12:58pm
There have been hundreds of credible social psychology expiraments that prove that games such as these can have harmful effets on young children. I believe that we have the right to play whatever games we want, but we do need to keep these out of the hands of little kids.

Then again I may be wrong.

"Fuck the children."
-George Carlin
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post #30 of 33
4/12/03 at 5:02pm
desensising our kids to violence is my main concern.

not that the news doesn't do this enough.

at 12 I was doing many of the things Slater was at the same age, but I didn't understand them the way I do now.. and most kids won't understand them the way a mature adult would.

now there's just as many adults who shouldn't play these games, but I think impressionable kids shouldn't have easy access to this kind of stuff.

then again the closest thing I played to GTA in adult material as a kid was Leisure Suit Larry.. and trust me that LSL is tame as can be compared to the GTA series..

I guess we'll find out in a few more years what exposure to this kinda shit does to kids.. who knows..

I've lost hope in our kids years ago. Probably why I won't have any.. they'd have to goto school with other peoples kids.
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post #31 of 33
4/12/03 at 5:04pm
Seven-six-two millimeter. Full metal jacket. All in your head, YOUR DEAD!!!
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post #32 of 33
4/12/03 at 5:07pm
you're

This is grade school stuff.
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post #33 of 33
4/13/03 at 2:25pm
Never listen to a Senator that physically resembles Palpatine.

Thus begins the fall of the Republic...
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